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  • #333,641
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:28am Nov 26, 2010 9:28am
Quoting drzakir123
ok i am crap.thank you and now pi'ss off
Drinking lots of water and piss more often is good for health . Thanks for advice. I will follow that
The finest tool in the world still needs a MAN who KNOWS how to use it.
  • #333,642
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:28am Nov 26, 2010 9:28am
Quoting samdani786
Whatever we say is a reflection of our own self
Wise and true, buddy.
  • #333,643
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:29am Nov 26, 2010 9:29am
looking at area 1.17-1.15 for relief rally, will look at price action more carefully there, until then...
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  • #333,644
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:31am Nov 26, 2010 9:31am
Quoting cloggie
Same result.
Unless China decides to sacrify USD.
  • #333,645
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:32am Nov 26, 2010 9:32am
Quoting cloggie

Just playing devil's advocate here, but if the US wanted to finish of the yooro and force inflation within China, all it needs to do next week is send a contingent of Marines and a couple of those grey ships to South Korea, job done.

Don't want to sound rude CLOGGIE but your talking a load of old bill shit here. You may well be the expert on FOREX, but you know f**k all about anything much else and in particular this.
  • #333,646
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:32am Nov 26, 2010 9:32am
Quoting samdani786
Drinking lots of water and piss more often is good for health . Thanks for advice. I will follow that
ur pain in @r~se but the good thing is i enjoy pain so ur a source of pleasure to me thank you
Allah has permitted trade and has forbidden interest [koran]
  • #333,647
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:34am Nov 26, 2010 9:34am
Quoting alex.fx
Unless China decides to sacrify USD.

They can't, it will be a double loss.
  • #333,648
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:36am Nov 26, 2010 9:36am
Isn't there a US Navy task force already on route to the Yellow Sea? I'm sure I saw that on News 24 last night...
  • #333,649
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:36am Nov 26, 2010 9:36am
Quoting sisse
So now you are talking about the US too?

sisse
yes.. a single country. whose gonna fight more?

most didn't get it with the tarp bailout bs in the media. The tarp was mostly just placed into u.s. bank's accounts. most of it was never used. it was just a # on a computer. most never hit the system. so it didn't exist. Remember the banks were loaning very little. so the money in the system already wasn't pulled out.
the stress test in the ez did pull money out. as will these bailouts. unless they print.

since the u.s. banks didn't loan as expected during tarp. the fed is using qe. and yes they are now putting money in the system. but they are also buying what the Chinese were buying. the money they are putting in the system is no more then the bs tarp money (that never made it to the system). we were at 1.2xx when tarp was being added. we are above atm.. the euro strengthened as money was pulled out to prop ez banks up. once the u.s. fed stated its qe game plan the eu went up about 150 pips. it has since fallen 1000 pips. the affect on China is bigger then most think. It has just begun. we are less then a month in qe.

if ez prints to avoid a major liquidity crash, the usd will gain more.
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #333,650
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:37am Nov 26, 2010 9:37am
Quoting drzakir123
ur pain in @r~se but the good thing is i enjoy pain so ur a source of pleasure to me thank you
I always try to be very humble and nice to others. Even then if i have said anything bad to you or hurt your feelings in any way, I do apologise sincerely and sorry .
The finest tool in the world still needs a MAN who KNOWS how to use it.
  • #333,651
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:37am Nov 26, 2010 9:37am
Quoting cloggie
They can't, it will be a double loss.
Why not? I can see at least few benefits for china if this is to happen.
  • #333,652
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:38am Nov 26, 2010 9:38am
Quoting AdrianHNV
Don't want to sound rude CLOGGIE but your talking a load of old bill shit here. You may well be the expert on FOREX, but you know f**k all about anything much else and in particular this.

Just reason it through, if the US gets involved in Korea, the local currencies will devalue and the local indices will drop, global risk aversion will take hold and the only place to go is the dollar. An obvious cause and effect.
  • #333,653
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:38am Nov 26, 2010 9:38am
Quoting cloggie
Keynes can never be right, you cannot grow an economy with public spending, it would mean that you have to take the money out of the business cycly first only to recycle it back in through public spending, there will always be a percentage left behind purely due to overhead and bureaucracy, I won't even mention the inefficiencies of government spending. I am a big opponent of Keynes.

Just stop and think about it, you spend 100 million more in public spending, that needs to come from something, which is tax, as that is the only revenue source for...
Keynes does not say tax the business cycle. Keynes says create fiat money (money that does not exist or exceeds tax revenue) to stimulate the demand which will eventually have a multiplier effect. Taxes in a recession is very inefficient... Theoretically by cutting them, there is a way to stimulate the demand, however the tendency is to save which is exactly the problem. If Japan had not created public spending in 1990s it would have been much much worse for them. It has to be promptly otherwise Japan, again, is a very good exactly of what happens with liquidity trap.
  • #333,654
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:39am Nov 26, 2010 9:39am
Quoting alex.fx
Unless China decides to sacrify USD.
who will feed them then?
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #333,655
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:40am Nov 26, 2010 9:40am
Quoting darimik
Keynes does not say tax the business cycle. Keynes says create fiat money (money that does not exists or exceeds tax revenue) to stimulate the demand which will eventually have a multiplier effect. Taxes in a recession is very inefficient... Theoretically by cutting them, there is a way to stimulate the demand, however the tendency is to save which is exactly the problem. If Japan had not created public spending in 1990s it would have been much much worse for them.

Creating fiat money is taxing the business cycle, the US and UK are case in point.

The reason that the big economies promote Keynes is that it gives the governments themselves a larger stake and power. If you research Lucas, Friedman and Hayek you will probably change your opinion regarding Keynes.
  • #333,656
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:41am Nov 26, 2010 9:41am
Why should they sacrifice the USD? They will be handsomely rewarded...the chinese aint quiet as stupid as those "smart" westerners think. The USD will be a precious commodity soon. Forget about the crash of the USD, thats nonsense.




Quoting alex.fx
Unless China decides to sacrify USD.
  • #333,657
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:42am Nov 26, 2010 9:42am
Quoting samdani786
I always try to be very humble and nice to others. Even then if i have said anything bad to you or hurt your feelings in any way, I do apologise sincerely and sorry .
i am sorry i am a bit harsh to u.actuallly i should apologise to u.please do accept mine thanks may God has mercy on us.
Allah has permitted trade and has forbidden interest [koran]
  • #333,658
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:47am Nov 26, 2010 9:47am
Quoting cloggie
Creating fiat money is taxing the business cycle, the US and UK are case in point.
no. you cannot collect fiat money in taxes, before you actually spend it. you print the thing first. then you collect it in taxes.

Unless you are talking about the indirect effects.
  • #333,659
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:47am Nov 26, 2010 9:47am
Quoting cloggie
Just reason it through, if the US gets involved in Korea, the local currencies will devalue and the local indices will drop, global risk aversion will take hold and the only place to go is the dollar. An obvious cause and effect.
As I say CLOGGIE, you are as we all know an expert on the Forex, but your not when it comes to 'how the world' works, or who is to dog and who is not.....

Everything which is happening not with Korea has been on the 'cards' for the last 2 years or so at least................. Maybe thinking outside of the box yourself, would in this particular circumstance be a good idea. The USA is no longer the super power it once was. Whether that be in currency or anything else. The realities of the 21st century are starting to fall into place. China financially could wipe out the USA without even thinking about it too much and so far as anything else is concerned that too. Do not believe all that is put out in the news or elsewhere......Sorry not wanting to argue, but if you make statements like the one you made at least know the real facts, not just those which you think are the facts. I'm sure their are a few others who frequent this forum who know, what is what and what is not.
  • #333,660
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:48am Nov 26, 2010 9:48am
Quoting drzakir123
i am sorry i am a bit harsh to u.actuallly i should apologise to u.please do accept mine thanks may God has mercy on us.
If everyone on our planet, did what you guys just did. It would really be heaven.
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