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  • #333,621
  • Nov 26, 2010 11:08am Nov 26, 2010 11:08am
Quoting gatorinla
its simple.. a business that spends more then it takes in fails..
So now you are talking about the US too?

sisse
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  • #333,622
  • Nov 26, 2010 11:09am Nov 26, 2010 11:09am
Quoting sisse
So now you are talking about the US too?

sisse

The US is different, they control their own fiscal and political agenda, policies and tools. The US could at a push be self sufficient, the EU can't.

Just playing devil's advocate here, but if the US wanted to finish of the yooro and force inflation within China, all it needs to do next week is send a contingent of Marines and a couple of those grey ships to South Korea, job done.
  • #333,623
  • Nov 26, 2010 11:11am Nov 26, 2010 11:11am
Quoting gatorinla
Zimbabwean
so u must be an expert in printing money.lol lol am i talking to a trillionaire zimbabwean.wow
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  • #333,624
  • Nov 26, 2010 11:12am Nov 26, 2010 11:12am
Ok. We were doing well the past few days. Where the f@ck did all the moppets come from?
  • #333,625
  • Nov 26, 2010 11:12am Nov 26, 2010 11:12am
Quoting PriceVolume
Ok. We were doing well the past few days. Where the f@ck did all the moppets come from?

We're slowly reeling them in. Sprinkle a bit of bait around and they can't resist.
  • #333,626
  • Nov 26, 2010 11:12am Nov 26, 2010 11:12am
Quoting PriceVolume
Ok. We were doing well the past few days. Where the f@ck did all the moppets come from?

hehe i was wondering the same thing?


chart tells me we go back to 3306....if 3221 is broken likely to go lower....
  • #333,627
  • Nov 26, 2010 11:14am Nov 26, 2010 11:14am
Quoting cloggie
The US is different, they control their own fiscal and political agenda, policies and tools. The US could at a push be self sufficient, the EU can't.

Just playing devil's advocate here, but if the US wanted to finish of the yooro and force inflation within China, all it needs to do next week is send a contingent of Marines and a couple of those grey ships to South Korea, job done.
OK, so what happens if China sends troops to N. Korea?
  • #333,628
  • Nov 26, 2010 11:15am Nov 26, 2010 11:15am
Quoting alex.fx
OK, so what happens if China sends troops to N. Korea?

Same result.
  • #333,629
  • Nov 26, 2010 11:15am Nov 26, 2010 11:15am
Quoting gatorinla
its simple.. a business that spends more then it takes in fails. is it worth borrowing more from the future to save it? if it were a single country this may work. its not a single country. contrary to popular belief. the ez has had a single currency in the past. and during this time it has had hundreds of wars.
that doesnt work either for single country nor for a single person.model flawed.thanks
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  • #333,630
  • Nov 26, 2010 11:16am Nov 26, 2010 11:16am
Quoting Jay Walker
Gator, Forex trading is the closest thing there is on planet earth to The Matrix. Every motherfucking thing I see on charts is smoke and mirrors.
If you do not know how to read chart, then yes it looks like Matrix.
  • #333,631
  • Nov 26, 2010 11:16am Nov 26, 2010 11:16am
Quoting PriceVolume
Ok. We were doing well the past few days. Where the f@ck did all the moppets come from?
A man should know where he comes from and where he is going
The finest tool in the world still needs a MAN who KNOWS how to use it.
  • #333,632
  • Nov 26, 2010 11:17am Nov 26, 2010 11:17am
http://www.forexlive.com/149569/all/...dity-in-eurusd


very thin liquidity atm....
  • #333,633
  • Nov 26, 2010 11:19am Nov 26, 2010 11:19am
Quoting mfoste1
hehe i was wondering the same thing?


chart tells me we go back to 3306....if 3221 is broken likely to go lower....
Same here, well actually, a target of 3340. Targets only valid as long as 3200 is not broken... for now.

My eyes are looking to the weekly chart for the next few weeks though. Should be interesting.
  • #333,634
  • Nov 26, 2010 11:19am Nov 26, 2010 11:19am
Quoting cloggie
The US is different, they control their own fiscal and political agenda, policies and tools. The US could at a push be self sufficient, the EU can't.

Just playing devil's advocate here, but if the US wanted to finish of the yooro and force inflation within China, all it needs to do next week is send a contingent of Marines and a couple of those grey ships to South Korea, job done.
Sure I get your point Cloggie. To be in complete autarchy is probably too much in the modern globalize world but yes in general given the US economic, political and military size, they still have room to overextend hopefully not until it breaks because (it will be disaster for the whole world), and as gator always mention, history repeat itself and it wont be the first time the most powerful country/state/tribe/man go busted.

sisse
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  • #333,635
  • Nov 26, 2010 11:19am Nov 26, 2010 11:19am
Quoting sisse
..
Yes I agree, that the easy solution short term will be printing money. The only good thing for the EZ (if there is any) in this whole mess is that if they survive they will not have to pay the price of printing money like mad in the longterm (dont worry I will have my time with you when inflationary pressures start hitting all those who are printing money like mad and not taking precautions [fiscal deficit,etc,etc]).

Germans are extremely against printing money and monetary policy since the hyperinflation in the 20s that's why also they are...
no one wants to do it the hoover style.. Keynesian economics became very popular after the great depression which made a lot of sense as far as what was wrong.in 1990s people thought that the business cycle was basically gone, as recessions can easily be cured by monetary policy. surely it was underestimated.

the effect of a global market has made a tremendous impact. countries in latin america + korea have to go through 1990s again.. as we are moving forward, it seems that the Keynes policy might just be right.
  • #333,636
  • Nov 26, 2010 11:20am Nov 26, 2010 11:20am
Quoting samdani786
A man should know where he comes from and where he is going
thats crap
Allah has permitted trade and has forbidden interest [koran]
  • #333,637
  • Nov 26, 2010 11:22am Nov 26, 2010 11:22am
Quoting darimik
no one wants to do it the hoover style.. Keynesian economics became very popular after the great depression which made a lot of sense as far as what was wrong.in 1990s people thought that the business cycle was basically gone, as recessions can easily be cured by monetary policy. surely it was underestimated.

the effect of a global market has made a tremendous impact. countries in latin america + korea have to go through 1990s again.. as we are moving forward, it seems that the Keynes policy might just be right.

Keynes can never be right, you cannot grow an economy with public spending, it would mean that you have to take the money out of the business cycly first only to recycle it back in through public spending, there will always be a percentage left behind purely due to overhead and bureaucracy, I won't even mention the inefficiencies of government spending. I am a big opponent of Keynes.

Just stop and think about it, you spend 100 million more in public spending, that needs to come from something, which is tax, as that is the only revenue source for governments, so you add tax to the business sector, generating 100mill, now you want to spend that 100 mill to rejuvinate the economy, (but the 100mln has already been taken out of the economy), generating that 100Mln has cost you an overhead (tax authority, bureaucracy, businesses hiring accountants etc.) Now in order to spend the 100Mln you need further bureaucracy to dole it out back into the economy, that comes at a cost too.

Anti-Keynes economist (me included) just say, leave the 100Mln in the business cycle and it will generate a far greater return then trying to take it out only to reinvest a smaller sum back in.
  • #333,638
  • Nov 26, 2010 11:22am Nov 26, 2010 11:22am
Quoting drzakir123
thats crap
Whatever we say is a reflection of our own self
The finest tool in the world still needs a MAN who KNOWS how to use it.
  • #333,639
  • Nov 26, 2010 11:23am Nov 26, 2010 11:23am
Quoting samdani786
A man should know where he comes from and where he is going
If he doesn't, he should download the MapQuest App to his iPhone. And?
  • #333,640
  • Nov 26, 2010 11:25am Nov 26, 2010 11:25am
Quoting samdani786
Whatever we say is a reflection of our own self
ok i am crap.thank you and now pi'ss off
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