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  • #5,461
  • Edited 2:07pm Apr 16, 2021 1:50pm | Edited 2:07pm
Quoting OAPDave
{quote} The scars that I carry sometimes get in the way of my trading (pressing the button) just wish like most of us, I guess, I could re-wind the clock a little
" it is only after disaster can you be resurrected"

every one wants to be grate

we learn best and the most from our mistakes?

if i had pound for every demmo i took to its knees i could buy island and pay for residents to enhabit it as well also i lost 15 k when i was going to take on the world and got what i desearved i hated it at the time but in retrospect im happy i lost 15k by being a spanner than loosing money paying for education ( you know the smart wise thing to do ) i think its worse to loose money on education than it is to loose just bein flat stupid which i was and did

( above paragraph is why im so grateful forver and always to people like yourself sweede parisboy and diamond minor )

my hand what im delt will be ftmo i still have some work to do my equity is pretty wild alot of room for improvement
big spike near top was margin call .... other wise would acount would of been quite nicely at over 100% growth DEMMO ofcourse

i think you did the right thing not shorting spent long time within the first box accumulating bit soon for them to have a cataclysmic unwinding but who knows

never the less

its good to have dreams /goals especially positive and kind ones
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  • #5,462
  • Apr 16, 2021 1:55pm Apr 16, 2021 1:55pm
Quoting OAPDave
{quote} The scars that I carry sometimes get in the way of my trading (pressing the button) just wish like most of us, I guess, I could re-wind the clock a little
Dave are you as small as you can get position wise?
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #5,463
  • Apr 16, 2021 2:12pm Apr 16, 2021 2:12pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Dave are you as small as you can get position wise?
i see something about this having the discipline to just trade and fire 0.01 something like changing ones conative thought and teaching individual discipline to keep promise to ones self instead of looking for cheap thrill .

just watching your signature very funny

thats fantastic my 10 year old sone singing along to it ( far better than the nonsense out there today )
  • #5,464
  • Edited Apr 17, 2021 12:26am Apr 16, 2021 7:19pm | Edited Apr 17, 2021 12:26am
Quoting Swede
Im not about to debate Gann, Murry Math, Hurst, Jenkins, Tillman and so on....because each has something to contribute to my trading and I have found a few exceptional ways to analyze the market we trade in. I would like to share a method that I use on the Daily chart....no point in analyzing the "noise" of the short time frames unless your strictly a day trader. I do both, but I also find Mt4 often gets a bad wrap when actually there are a ton of ways to make it work with precision...here is one....how to do it....no point in asking questions unless...
Hey Swede, I missed this, I actually left MT4 because of scaling issues. Never thought to lock the scale.

Quoting RoninTheory
{quote} i see something about this having the discipline to just trade and fire 0.01 something like changing ones conative thought and teaching individual discipline to keep promise to ones self instead of looking for cheap thrill . just watching your signature very funny thats fantastic my 10 year old sone singing along to it ( far better than the nonsense out there today )
It's a great way to teach econ to kids and adults alike! Position sizing is definitely not my idea. I just thought about Mark Douglas. Parisboy, if this is too much a deviation let me know and I will pull this post. I mentioned it to Dave because he said he was having trouble pulling the trigger.

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  • #5,465
  • Apr 17, 2021 8:05am Apr 17, 2021 8:05am
Welles Wilder, the Delta Phenomenon and the influence of the Moon on the Stock Market

Markets repeat directly or inversely every 12 lunar months. The Delta Phenomenon (page 110)

Hereunder some documents about this topic : the influence of Moon Cycles on Stock Market
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File Type: pdf Trading by the Light of the Moon.pdf   120 KB | 711 downloads
File Type: doc Mondeinwirkung auf Aktienindizes.doc   108 KB | 530 downloads
File Type: pdf Randall Ashbourne - The Idiot & The Moon -no pass 2011.pdf   5.7 MB | 892 downloads
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  • #5,466
  • Edited 8:39am Apr 17, 2021 8:12am | Edited 8:39am
Welles Wilder, the Delta Phenomenon and the influence of the Sun on the Stock Market

Welles Wilder on the Sun and the Stock Market :


If DELTA is the basis of all market movement, then it follows that every market has its own interlock regarding the total interaction of the sun, moon, and earth... on everyone of the 5 DELTA timeframes. The Delta Phenomenon ( Page 190)
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File Type: pdf The Sun's Influence On Financial Markets And Macro Economy.pdf   4.1 MB | 982 downloads
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  • #5,467
  • Apr 17, 2021 8:19am Apr 17, 2021 8:19am
Important books on the Topic : Influence of the Planets on the Stock Market
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File Type: pdf Kaye Shinker - The Textbook for Financial Astrologys Part 1 2006.pdf   9.0 MB | 1,656 downloads
File Type: pdf Jeanne Long - Universal Clock.pdf   7.5 MB | 3,199 downloads
File Type: pdf Graham Bates - Money and the Markets 1994.pdf   5.1 MB | 734 downloads
File Type: pdf Stock Market Timing - Geocosmic Correlation to Trading Cycles.pdf   8.3 MB | 1,380 downloads
  • #5,468
  • Apr 17, 2021 1:53pm Apr 17, 2021 1:53pm
Hurst Cycles market updates

Hello! I have just posted a new market update video:

  1. You know how much I love the FLD ... I usually discuss one FLD at a time, but ...
  2. Did you know that one of the most useful aspects of the FLD is that they form patterns on the chart.
  3. In this week's market update video I discuss the FLD pattern forming in stock markets at the moment.
  4. The video is 18 minutes long.

Here it is:

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  • #5,469
  • Apr 18, 2021 7:32am Apr 18, 2021 7:32am
Quoting OAPDave
Hi Guys Just thought I would like to correct any miss understanding with one of my last posts about carrying (scars) Its true that in my long trading journey I have made almost every error there is to make in this game Some were pure Brokers, some of my own doing But Hey overtime, as they say you learn by your mistakes or you go broke This I think I have done and very very happy with my present trading results I now think I have 2/3 of the best trading Methods I have every used thanks to Parisboy, Swede, Sohocool Xard777 and yes I think you know...
i whish and manifest for you health issues to resolve
  • #5,470
  • Apr 18, 2021 10:09am Apr 18, 2021 10:09am
Quoting parisboy
Hurst Cycles market updates Hello! I have just posted a new market update video: You know how much I love the FLD ... I usually discuss one FLD at a time, but ... Did you know that one of the most useful aspects of the FLD is that they form patterns on the chart. In this week's market update video I discuss the FLD pattern forming in stock markets at the moment. The video is 18 minutes long. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-Ko2aRVPb0
This reminds me of Darryl Guppy, but with cycles. It also reminds me Gann angles. This video was pretty nice.

Quoting OAPDave
{quote} Thanks but no need for sympathy, its just the joys of getting old
I can relate to aging. My eyes are getting bad from looking at computer monitors since they were green.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #5,471
  • Edited 1:45pm Apr 18, 2021 12:33pm | Edited 1:45pm
Its is more and more obvious than Delta Phenomenon is a camouflage, a transmutation, a pale copy of Cyclic analysis in general and specifically of Hurst methodology.

one of the 8 Cyclic principle of Hurst is the Principle of Variation

compare what Welles Wilder writes in 1986 and what Hurst has written in 1970

Wilder (1986) : Nobody's right all the time. Although I've never seen the basic pattern broken, the DELTA turning points sometimes come early and sometimes come late,

Each turning point did not necessarily come on the exact day that it should have,but it was incredibly close.. .within 2 or 3 days in most cases...

Hurst (1970) Price motion is different from issue to issue primarily because of differences in the 75% of underlying fundamentally inspired movement.
deviations from commonality also contribute to differences from issue to issue. The most important such deviations are as follows:

Relative magnitudes and durations of cyclic components differ slightly from issue to issue.
The synchronization is not perfect. A cyclic high or low in one issue will not necessarily occur at exactly the same time as in another.
Several components may tend to dominate in a given issue at a given time, while others may dominate in other issues at the same time.
  • #5,472
  • Apr 18, 2021 1:06pm Apr 18, 2021 1:06pm
Its is more and more obvious than Delta Phenomenon is a camouflage, a transmutation, a pale copy of Cyclic analysis in general and specifically of Hurst methodology. one of the 8 Cyclic principle of Hurst is the Principle of Nominality

compare what Welles Wilder writes in 1986 and what Hurst has written in 1970

Short Term DELTA (STD) every 4 revolutions of the earth, that is every 4 days. (Delta phenomenon (page 70)

We can define the Intermediate Term DELTA in 9 words. markets repeat directly or inversely every 4 lunar months. Delta Phenomenon (page 59)

Therefore, the time between those 2 days is the exact time for one complete interaction of the sun, the moon, and the earth. That time period is exactly 12 lunar months." I suggest that we call the order on this new time frame the Medium Term DELTA (MTD)." Delta Phenomenon (page 66)

Long Term DELTA (LTD) every 4 revolutions of the earth around the sun, that is, every 4 calendar years.

Super Long Term DELTA (SLTD) .every complete total interaction of the sun, moon and earth, that is, .every 19 years and 5 hours. Delta Phenomenon (page 70)

HURST'S (1970) THE NOMINALITY PRINCIPLE

The effect of the variation principle is to force the use of a nominal cyclic duration in the quantification of the cyclic model.
These nominal durations are an element of commonality, and the deviations from these over a given range are the expression of the principle of variation.
The nominal durations of the principal cyclic components are:
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  • #5,473
  • Apr 18, 2021 1:55pm Apr 18, 2021 1:55pm
Welles Wilder on "cycles"

Lumber has only 9 points in the series.

Since the series lasts for 4 years, that means that the average length of time between points is 5.33 months.

One thing you have no doubt recognized about all DELTA turning points is that they are irregular.

That is, the distance between points may vary greatly. For example, Lumber had some points that were only: : months apart and some that were 12 months apart.

This is why I don't consider the DELTA turning points in the truest sense of the word. ..because the points within the series are not regular cycles.

I understand that The Foundation for the Study of Cycles accepts only regular cycles within their definition of cycles.

However, the basic DELTA timeframes, of course, are defined as regular cycles.
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  • Apr 18, 2021 2:03pm Apr 18, 2021 2:03pm
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  • #5,475
  • Apr 18, 2021 2:15pm Apr 18, 2021 2:15pm
Quoting parisboy
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What got me was this inversion business. That just sound like a loophole to me.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #5,476
  • Apr 18, 2021 2:22pm Apr 18, 2021 2:22pm
Quoting parisboy
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meandering curiosity ....

what are the said " delta time frames"?

image most likely my being bit knoob
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  • #5,477
  • Edited 4:51pm Apr 18, 2021 3:00pm | Edited 4:51pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} What got me was this inversion business. That just sound like a loophole to me.
Most of the time it is !
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  • #5,478
  • Apr 18, 2021 5:49pm Apr 18, 2021 5:49pm
Parisboy,

Thank you for your review of The Delta Phenomenon book & your analysis of the information. At the end of the day I am seeing much more to what you are sharing with regards to the envelops, VTL & FLD. In my view learning to master these is more than enough to be a successful trader. I am far from that level, but am constantly in study.

I will continue trading my method along with learning more about envelopes, VTL & FLD's. I think Hurst & Gann & their methods are worth the time & efforts one might put into learning what is available on these two.

There is one other off topic method I would like for you to take a look at & post a review. The Kenison Counting Numbers Methods by one now deceased Bruce Kenison. I will try & locate a pdf on this method that has not been partially blocked out.

Thank you for your time & help.
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  • Edited 6:41pm Apr 18, 2021 6:29pm | Edited 6:41pm
Quoting acetrader
Parisboy, Thank you for your review of The Delta Phenomenon book & your analysis of the information. At the end of the day I am seeing much more to what you are sharing with regards to the envelops, VTL & FLD. In my view learning to master these is more than enough to be a successful trader. I am far from that level, but am constantly in study. I will continue trading my method along with learning more about envelopes, VTL & FLD's. I think Hurst & Gann & their methods are worth the time & efforts one might put into learning what is available on...
Kenison ad in 2006

I saved myself a lot of money
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  • #5,480
  • Apr 19, 2021 2:58am Apr 19, 2021 2:58am
Frequency and cycle analysis are interrelated.

Decided to share this. Hopefully everyone can see it.

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