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  • #761
  • Jul 12, 2015 11:32am Jul 12, 2015 11:32am
Quoting bolsistico
{quote} off topic, but if it's maybe the solution to the problem to have the ea
We have briliant radityo's EA. Silmultaneus use SO and LO could give us smaler dd, but I think we should continue and prove it. My target profit is fixed 5 and fixed lots 0.08 and 0.1. These are just preliminary settings, dont know the best ones jet. If it works well over longer period then may be is possible to implement an option simultaneus SO and LO into one EA? To avoid get stucked I am using small targets, as you can see I have about 300 orders per day.
  • #762
  • Jul 12, 2015 2:40pm Jul 12, 2015 2:40pm
Hey guys, look what happened here, USDJPY
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A good strategy for trading is... the opposite of having a bad strategy.
  • #763
  • Jul 12, 2015 6:01pm Jul 12, 2015 6:01pm
Quoting PowerTrade
Hey guys, look what happened here, USDJPY {image}
same here. EurUsd
maybe this is about GAP and slipage.
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  • #764
  • Jul 12, 2015 6:11pm Jul 12, 2015 6:11pm
Radityo, how about set a close type option for when a number of buys and sells are triggered? Different from close when all orders are triggered.
For exemple when i get 15 sells and 15 buys i let it run until the 30th sell(or buy) and stop. (in loss) I know that the market can keep going up and cycle in profit but it could go down again and if it does until the 30th buy the loss would be to high for me. So stop with all orders are not good. I have experienced that when a certain number of buys or sells are triggered the risk became to big for me and i would like to get out.

Stop loss is no good for me either because I am stoping a a less lost situation.

Every time i test it with a stop loss the system was not profitable on the long run and with this feature i could test and find a good buy/sell stop situation for good profit on a long run.

I am doing this manually in one of my test accounts. But manually sometimes i am not in front of the computer to do it and sometimes i do not stop hoping for the market to keep moving (human eheh) and sometimes it don't And if it's on the system we can perform backtests to find a good buy/sell ratio.

Sometimes is better to get off the grid with little loss and star a fresh one profiting than wait maybe days for the grid cycle in profit. Sometimes not eheheh
What i am trying to figure out is a way to make this system safe on a long run cutting down the risks.
Is this hard to implement?

Sorry if too complicated, english is not my birth language but ask if any doubt.

Cheers
  • #765
  • Jul 12, 2015 7:30pm Jul 12, 2015 7:30pm
Quoting boxcar
Hi everyone and specially radityo.ardi. Thank you so much for sharing this EA. I'm trading in european futures CFD (Spain) with live account. I start with 6.000 eur My results since 25 june are: +2.634 eur in 9 days (Best day 30 june with 650 eur win) Worst day 9 july with 468 eur loss) Start time: 09:45 Spain time Stop time: 16:00 Spain time This hours are more or less, because a start and close manually. Any day, start at 10:15 for example, and close 15:00. This future stock start at 09:00 and close 19:55 StopTimeMode: Close when no open order...
I'm very sorry for your loss. But have you tested it on demo account?
I think that is the most important factor. I'm not well aware of European Futures CFD, hence I can't give you any advice.

But what I can tell you is, each pair in forex, each trading instrument, will have its own characteristics. We can't apply the same settings of EUR/USD to XAU/USD, and can't apply the same to Futures as well. Now, what we need to do, is to find the characteristics of the European Futures CFD, and find out how to beat them.

Here's a little guide to find out the characteristics:

  1. Look for the "wave" movements, how big is the wave movement, how long does it stay over there.
  2. How big is the spreads
  3. What are the minimum lot size and lot step (sometimes in futures, they would've set the lot step to 0.1, not 0.01 as the standard)
  4. What is the leverage. Although the broker may said leverage is 1:500, but you need to take care and see a little note, that for futures and commodities will have a different leverage.
  5. Recalculate the grid step, lot size, and target.


Then, you need to do it on demo first, at least 3 months. Why?
Because you need to identify the risk and check whether it works properly for you.
Here's the main rule:

  1. Test on demo for 3 months forward testing (say starting today after you recalculate the grid step, lot size and target).
  2. If in any case you feel that the sizing is not correct, or you need to minimize it, then do it. Again once you change your settings, you need to re-start your testing again and do it for at least 3 months.

If you feel fine after demo, then run it on live account.

You see, I feel fine if I want to run EA on live account, but only for EUR/USD. For other pairs, I will have to wait and follow the same procedures.
Note: Not the EA that will give you the profits, but the settings does.

If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
  • #766
  • Jul 12, 2015 7:44pm Jul 12, 2015 7:44pm
Quoting xnowx
Still in test, not continuous, I start the grid in Limit mode only when I think that is going to start a 20/40 pip trading range. Some thoughts: It's just my problem or a known bug that when a cycle closes, the amount on the "last-profit" on screen is twice than truly achieved? Is possible to insert the choice to select the "target profit" in pips rather than currency? On the cross pairs or notUSD accounts it becomes difficult to evaluate the right target. I think that in the presence of hedged positions it would be better to close them with the...
Quoting xnowx
{quote} Same here Results are very interesting but the problem is when two grids goes out of sync... the best will be one EA that use both strategies with different profit target, one for limit and one for stop, so i can have more and small profit for Limit strategy and less but bigger profit for Stop strategy. Something like the Few Limit strategy, but with sell/buy stop opened at the tails of the range. Just a suggestion to radityo.ardi for the next EA.
But what if the current price doesn't move in your favour?
Your limit orders will stuck up or even got a worse loss? Limit orders is best when the market is not moving much, and stop orders is best when the market is trending. And in this case, you expect market to have both.

I can make that, shouldn't be an issue for me. But, ..... we can discuss the "but" in PM.
If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
  • #767
  • Jul 12, 2015 8:04pm Jul 12, 2015 8:04pm
Quoting JoshuaHope
Hello fellow traders, I wanted to give out a quick warning about Exness. I have been testing the grid with them on demo. It worked fine over the week with 600:1 leverage, but I noticed my demo went into negative free margin on friday. Upon investigation, it seems that Exness decreases all accounts leverage to maximum of 200:1 before market close, and then reactivates sometime after market open. So, it is enough to get margin called/account burned, depending on your settings. I did not know this about Exness before, but I want to bring this up and...
I think most of all brokers have sent a warning email on Friday. Even RoboForex, and XM. They said will reduce the leverage for about an hour / 4H before closing market on Friday. Even the other broker, they may not accept open order, only close order will be accepted.

As long as they have sent an email to you, or probably stated in the website, it should be fine.
If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
  • #768
  • Jul 12, 2015 8:09pm Jul 12, 2015 8:09pm
Quoting andres11617
{quote} We have briliant radityo's EA. Silmultaneus use SO and LO could give us smaler dd, but I think we should continue and prove it. My target profit is fixed 5 and fixed lots 0.08 and 0.1. These are just preliminary settings, dont know the best ones jet. If it works well over longer period then may be is possible to implement an option simultaneus SO and LO into one EA? To avoid get stucked I am using small targets, as you can see I have about 300 orders per day.
Aaaahh... @xnowx,
you can check on this kind of workaround first before checking on "but" terms....
If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
  • #769
  • Jul 12, 2015 8:10pm Jul 12, 2015 8:10pm
Quoting PowerTrade
Hey guys, look what happened here, USDJPY {image}
Quoting anzip
{quote} same here. EurUsd maybe this is about GAP and slipage. {image}
I'm in a way of improving close order method. So you won't have that issue again.
If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
  • #770
  • Jul 12, 2015 9:26pm Jul 12, 2015 9:26pm
Quoting IgotAplan
Radityo, how about set a close type option for when a number of buys and sells are triggered? Different from close when all orders are triggered. For exemple when i get 15 sells and 15 buys i let it run until the 30th sell(or buy) and stop. (in loss) I know that the market can keep going up and cycle in profit but it could go down again and if it does until the 30th buy the loss would be to high for me. So stop with all orders are not good. I have experienced that when a certain number of buys or sells are triggered the risk became to big for me...
To be frank, your english is quite good.
But yes, I admit that public speaking is a skill that not everybody is good at it, even myself.

So do you want the orders to be closed when a certain number of buys and sells are triggered? But it has to be same between buys and sells. So if I put 1 more parameter, if it reaches 5 (5 buys and 5 sells), then it will close all orders. Am I right?

This shouldn't be too hard.
If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
  • #771
  • Jul 13, 2015 12:15am Jul 13, 2015 12:15am
Quoting radityo.ardi
{quote} I think most of all brokers have sent a warning email on Friday. Even RoboForex, and XM. They said will reduce the leverage for about an hour / 4H before closing market on Friday. Even the other broker, they may not accept open order, only close order will be accepted. As long as they have sent an email to you, or probably stated in the website, it should be fine.
Hey Radityo,

Maybe for this Friday, other brokerages have done this...but for Exness it is a policy...so its every Friday they do this. So, their higher leverage options work only if you trade and close all by Friday...if not, you get a nice surprise in terms of margin requirement when you go from ex. 1000:1 to 200:1.

Best, Josh
  • #772
  • Jul 13, 2015 1:11am Jul 13, 2015 1:11am
Quoting JoshuaHope
{quote} Hey Radityo, Maybe for this Friday, other brokerages have done this...but for Exness it is a policy...so its every Friday they do this. So, their higher leverage options work only if you trade and close all by Friday...if not, you get a nice surprise in terms of margin requirement when you go from ex. 1000:1 to 200:1. Best, Josh
Yes, correct. Since they have announce it earlier I think. https://www.exness.com/news/article/...r_the_weekends. So from regulatory perspective, should be ok. Only thing is whether we are OK to accept their regulation.
If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
  • #773
  • Jul 13, 2015 2:28am Jul 13, 2015 2:28am
Quoting radityo.ardi
{quote} Yes, correct. Since they have announce it earlier I think. https://www.exness.com/news/article/...r_the_weekends. So from regulatory perspective, should be ok. Only thing is whether we are OK to accept their regulation.
Indeed. The grid could settings could be done to accommodate lower leverage....I just opened a demo with Tickmill to test and dropped Exness demo for now.
Just wondering, does anyone here have a live account with Tickmill? Any problems? Easy to take money out?
Best,
Josh
  • #774
  • Jul 13, 2015 3:12am Jul 13, 2015 3:12am
Quoting JoshuaHope
{quote} Indeed. The grid could settings could be done to accommodate lower leverage....I just opened a demo with Tickmill to test and dropped Exness demo for now. Just wondering, does anyone here have a live account with Tickmill? Any problems? Easy to take money out? Best, Josh
Tickmill having no issues. I withdrew many times, deposit many times to them.
If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
  • #775
  • Jul 13, 2015 3:30am Jul 13, 2015 3:30am
Quoting radityo.ardi
{quote} Tickmill having no issues. I withdrew many times, deposit many times to them.
Thank you again Radityo. I am going to test demo for a few weeks, then i plan to try live at tickmill. :-)
Best, Josh
  • #776
  • Jul 13, 2015 4:39am Jul 13, 2015 4:39am
Quoting radityo.ardi
{quote} To be frank, your english is quite good. But yes, I admit that public speaking is a skill that not everybody is good at it, even myself. So do you want the orders to be closed when a certain number of buys and sells are triggered? But it has to be same between buys and sells. So if I put 1 more parameter, if it reaches 5 (5 buys and 5 sells), then it will close all orders. Am I right? This shouldn't be too hard.
Not the same. The same the EA already can close. for exemple if i set only 5 orders fixed i can set close when all orders are triggered and its done.

The same number of buys and sells the EA will close in the worse moment, when loss is bigger.

I want it to close with different numbers of orders. For exemple when 30 is triggered (no matter how many was triggered on the other side)
The reason is that, in that exemple, when the system triggers 30 orders on any side the risks became to big since it grows exponential, but we will stop when the loss are reducing. (obviously i am talking about stop orders).
In that exemple i have backtested that it's not to often that the 30th order is triggered but when it does, a few times it cycle in profit, but another few the account blew.
My thoughts are that if i take the few losses, do not risk the account to blow and keep it cycling, in the long run i will be profitable. And with that feature on the EA we could backtest to find a good setup to maximize the profits.
I guess you can set an option for close by threshold? (in opposite of recreation by threshold)

Regards
  • #777
  • Jul 13, 2015 7:24am Jul 13, 2015 7:24am
Good trading to everybody.
I saw this thread by chance and I have been very favorably intrigued by the constructing atmosphere that is around, by the human values of Radityo and the charity he is running, by the EA with its interesting first results.
I read the first 10 page and the last 20, I need more time to read the rest and mostly to understand everything, as I am perfectly ignorant about grid systems, even if I use Ilean regularly. I will try to give my modest contribution as much as I can.

I tried to put the EA on a demo Roboforex, EURUSD 15' with the setting suggested, but...
1.10725 is the center, then the EA made open orders starting from 1.13896 up and from 1.0757 down.

Far away from actual price and no orders were triggered. What did I do wrong?
Order count: 5. Grid step: 25.

Thanks
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  • #778
  • Jul 13, 2015 8:25am Jul 13, 2015 8:25am
Quoting radityo.ardi
{quote} {quote} I'm in a way of improving close order method. So you won't have that issue again.
I let it go to see what could happen.

And I think it became crazier lol
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  • #779
  • Jul 13, 2015 11:13pm Jul 13, 2015 11:13pm
Quoting JoshuaHope
{quote} Thank you again Radityo. I am going to test demo for a few weeks, then i plan to try live at tickmill. :-) Best, Josh
great , here's my week 3 result, at same brokers platform, I already share the set file . you may want to use it with demo 1st, improve the setting based on your own result.
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  • #780
  • Jul 13, 2015 11:47pm Jul 13, 2015 11:47pm
Quoting radityo.ardi
Hi guys, can you guys suggest me any file upload site, or file repository site, where we can rate the file (1 - 5 stars). I want to use that to upload all of the set file that has been roaming around this thread.
Hello everyone, dear Radityo.ardi you can use Google drive (required an email with gmail), One drive, Dropbox (i don't like it personally), Mega.cz
or you can edit your first post, and add set file on it. If you choose to do that, i suggest to post the date (gg/mm/yy) for recognize the last update faster.
Hope it can helps.

H.

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