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  • #38,901
  • Aug 26, 2012 12:32pm Aug 26, 2012 12:32pm
Quoting traderathome

What I see is that you are focusing on the volume bars that represent 200%+ average volume for a 20 bar period. Of the 6 bars you highlighted, only 4 seem to fit in with a Sonic R. setup breakout, the 1st, 2nd, 5th and 6th. Of those 4, only 3 setups have a breakout in the direction that would have been anticipated, the 2nd, 5th and 6th. And of those 3, the last 2 are really for the same breakout. So, with only a 2 moves out of 6 moves ratio of success, I am unsuccessfully trying to understand what it is here that you are saying.
that 15m chart show, average volume show signal for valid bear and bull bar.

and here is h4 chart , your last template.

62 bar volume average colour , and i see only 7 false bar signal.
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  • #38,902
  • Aug 26, 2012 12:39pm Aug 26, 2012 12:39pm
Quoting jasakreatif
that 15m chart show, average volume show signal for valid bear and bull bar.

and here is h4 chart , your last template.

62 bar volume average colour , and i see only 7 false bar signal.
jasakreatif, I still don't understand what you are trying to say. There are 13 circles (true) and 7 rectangles (false) signals, as you show them. That is less than a 50-50 proposition. So, what are you saying? What is the big deal? Are you suggesting Sonicers count the volume of significant bull vs bear bars, to see which has more "weight"? If so, remember that every broker has different volume. And such volume is only a count of trades, not the actual amount of currency involved. A low count could actually have significantly more currency involved than a high count. We have to keep that possible contradiction in mind.

More importantly, exactly what are you saying, and exactly how is a Sonicer supposed to use the information? Please don't just throw out stuff without being prepared to fully explain it, and how to use it.
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  • #38,903
  • Aug 26, 2012 12:47pm Aug 26, 2012 12:47pm
Quoting traderathome
jasakreatif, I still don't understand what you are trying to say. There are 13 circles (true) and 7 rectangles (false) signals, as you show them. That is less than a 50-50 proposition. So, what are you saying? What is the big deal?

More importantly, exactly what are you saying, and exactly how is a Sonicer supposed to use the information? Please don't just throw out stuff without being prepared to fully explain it, and how to use it.
KISS keep simple , open short at red close at blue reserve long at blue close at red reserve short again at red , calculate the pip ? , simple stupid system and easy.
  • #38,904
  • Aug 26, 2012 1:05pm Aug 26, 2012 1:05pm
Accept the fact that price moves within supply and and demand areas, no matter what timeframe you look at. If there is a sonic r trade presented within that timeframe, take it. Look out for any s+r areas within your timeframe. so that you won´t be buying into supply and vice versa. You need to plan your trades on the timeframe you are looking at.

Hope this helps

Regards,
H.
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  • #38,905
  • Aug 26, 2012 1:06pm Aug 26, 2012 1:06pm
Quoting jasakreatif
KISS keep simple , open short at red close at blue reserve long at blue close at red reserve short again at red , calculate the pip ? , simple stupid system and easy.
i know we do not looking entry at H4 , maybe for confirm only , and lagging moving average dont know that red blue entry.

now this 15m chart look like filter the average more clearly , how this purple draw ? is it really calculate from volume tick bar ? , i think can change to bear and bull colour , not single purple colour.

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  • #38,906
  • Edited 1:30pm Aug 26, 2012 1:08pm | Edited 1:30pm
Quoting jasakreatif
KISS keep simple , open short at red close at blue reserve long at blue close at red reserve short again at red , calculate the pip ? , simple stupid system and easy.
Well, you know what Master Sonicdeejay says, ....."Let PA and the Dragon show the way."

He means to only go long if PA is above the Dragon, etc., and to only go short if PA is below the Dragon, etc. The "etc." means there are other considerations, like is there a proper PA wave? Where is next S&R relative to the setup EP area? Is the Dragon showing acceptable angle? Where is EP relative to the Trend line? And is it currently the London session?

You see, there are things to be considered. None of them have anything to do with shorting on close of red/pink bear candle, or going long on close of green/blue bull candle. In fact, Master Sonicdeejay has frequently stated,....."Do not trade on volume/VSA alone!"

Master Sonicdeejay is wise. If you think otherwise, then maybe you have the makings for your own Forex Factory thread. As I see it, your method is simple, but it is definately not the Sonic R. System. In fact, it is in opposition to a fundamental warning from Master Sonicdeejay.

Certain combinations of candles and volume do give valid clues. A tall candle at top of PA, with a tall upper wick and with a very high volume bar does send a definate message. Something like this is a valid clue, but still not a trigger to trade. It is used in conjuction with later PA, in conjunction with possibly a Sonic R. short setup that comes sometime afterwards. Trade as you will, but the Sonic R. System only uses volume after the fact as either supporting or contradicting the next setup that comes. We need to be very careful about volume, because red bars can come at the bottom with subsequent PA moving back up. And green bars can come at the top, with subsquent PA move down. Volume should be considered only as part of the "total PA picture". It is best to not act on it alone, and to use "volume conclusions" only as an additional confirming or contradicting consideration to a subsequent Sonic R. setup.
  • #38,907
  • Aug 26, 2012 1:14pm Aug 26, 2012 1:14pm
Quoting hansma
Accept the fact that price moves within supply and and demand areas, no matter what timeframe you look at. If there is a sonic r trade presented within that timeframe, take it. Look out for any s+r areas within your timeframe. so that you won´t be buying into supply and vice versa. You need to plan your trades on the timeframe you are looking at.

Hope this helps

Regards,
H.
when i see another red candle on h1 h4 chart and PA cross and break your demand area , you will say that demand being supply
  • #38,908
  • Aug 26, 2012 1:21pm Aug 26, 2012 1:21pm
Quoting jasakreatif
when i see another red candle on h1 h4 chart and PA cross and break your demand area , you will say that demand being supply
It will then have become a s/r flipzone and I will trade it accordingly when price comes back for a retest.

Regards,
H.
"The future is already written in the past"
  • #38,909
  • Aug 26, 2012 1:22pm Aug 26, 2012 1:22pm
Quoting traderathome
Well, you know what Master Sonicdeejay says, ....."Let PA and the Dragon show the way."

You see, there are things to be considered. None of them have anything to do with shorting on close of red/pink bear candle, or going long on close of green/blue bull candle. In fact, Master Sonicdeejay has frequently stated,....."Do not trade on volume/VSA alone!"
yup , and i think sonic not interpret the red blue like that, he interpret more than that , like PA down and volume up it is mean confirm the bear and etc.

i just spooted some thing and i post it .

ps ; sonic say let the wave (your 123 pattern) and the dragon show.
  • #38,910
  • Aug 26, 2012 1:29pm Aug 26, 2012 1:29pm
Quoting hansma
It will then have become a s/r flipzone and I will trade it accordingly when price comes back for a retest.

Regards,
H.
you need to close your demand entry first, before that flipzone trade


01:22 am here , go bed ... see ya
  • #38,911
  • Aug 26, 2012 1:35pm Aug 26, 2012 1:35pm
Quoting jasakreatif
yup , and i think sonic not interpret the red blue like that, he interpret more than that , like PA down and volume up it is mean confirm the bear and etc.

i just spooted some thing and i post it .

ps ; sonic say let the wave (your 123 pattern) and the dragon show.
"...and i think sonic not interpret the red blue like that, he interpret more than that , like PA down and volume up it is mean confirm the bear and etc." -

Actually, you might want to review many posts where Master Sonicdeejay has clearly sent out the warning,....."stopping volume!" These are clear warnings where PA is down and he means the next PA might be up. Or that PA is up and he means the next PA action might be down.
  • #38,912
  • Aug 26, 2012 2:10pm Aug 26, 2012 2:10pm
Quoting jasakreatif
that 15m chart show, average volume show signal for valid bear and bull bar.

and here is h4 chart , your last template.

62 bar volume average colour , and i see only 7 false bar signal.
You are really confusing everyone here. What are these indicators? Are these part of Sonic? If not are you going to provide them?

Also there are a lot more blue and red bars that you identify trades for. How did you choose which blue and red bars are trades?
  • #38,913
  • Aug 26, 2012 2:41pm Aug 26, 2012 2:41pm
Quoting hansma
I normally look at the daily levels and then go down to the 15 min chart to see how those levels fit around any s+r area. Hope this helps Regards, H.
Quoting hansma
Accept the fact that price moves within supply and and demand areas, no matter what timeframe you look at. If there is a sonic r trade presented within that timeframe, take it. Look out for any s+r areas within your timeframe. so that you won´t be buying into supply and vice versa. You need to plan your trades on the timeframe you are looking at. Hope this helps Regards, H.
Quoting jasakreatif
when i see another red candle on h1 h4 chart and PA cross and break your demand area , you will say that demand being supply
Quoting hansma
It will then have become a s/r flipzone and I will trade it accordingly when price comes back for a retest. Regards, H
Accumulation & Distribution:

All of us here, regardless of our individual styles of trading, do concur that there are price areas where the market accumulates- closes shorts & builds long, and there are price areas where the market distributes- closes longs and builds short. Accumulation areas are support or demand areas. Distribution areas are resistance or supply areas. However, while we can see from historic PA what the market did at these levels the last time PA was at them, there is no tellling what the market will do with PA the next time PA gets there. Support/demand could fail and the area could then become an area of resistance/supply. Resistance/supply could fail and the area could then become an area of support/demand.

To be good traders we do not need to be able to predict what the market will do when next PA arrives at one of these levels. As Hansma said, we only need to understand that PA moves between them! That is our trade! And we look for a trade setup that coincides with a move between them. This is what is meant when we say that understanding support and resistance is fundamental to the Sonic R. System. A long setup for a run up to a distribution/resistance/supply area is better if it starts close to a accumulation/support/demand area. Visa versa for a short setup. Setups frequently do not start close to such an area, as we would like them to. And then we have to gauge the distance to the next important level, and what lays in between in terms of other S&R areas. We have to decide if the setup is worth taking, or if there is too much risk,....too much "stuff" in the way and too close to the EP for the setup to be worth taking.

So, again as Hansma said, it is good to look at higher TFs (Daily/H4) to see the more significant levels and clearly know where they are while trading on M15. M15 might offer its own, lesser S&R areas to deal with, but you don't want to lose sight of the more significant ones from higher TFs that might be the true targets of any move being traded.

You might have to bounce back and forth between a couple of higher TF charts before you are satified with where you have placed the major S&R lines. When placing your trade TPs, however, you might want to be conservative and place them above a support for a short trade, or below a resistance for a long trade. PA frequently overshoots and undershoots, and we can never know exactly what PA will do. So, holding out for every last pip can cause your exit to not execute in the prime area!

-tah

P.S: A special thanks to Hansma for continuing to hammer on the importance knowing the areas where significant supply and demand has occurred.
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  • #38,914
  • Aug 26, 2012 7:12pm Aug 26, 2012 7:12pm
Hi,
there is a new e-book by FF member PhanTi at this link:

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=380676

it is free and worth a read and learn about S&D.

Some good discussions too on S&D.

Regards,
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  • #38,915
  • Aug 27, 2012 5:09am Aug 27, 2012 5:09am
Hey, how to set up the indicator manually ?
  • #38,916
  • Aug 27, 2012 5:25am Aug 27, 2012 5:25am
Was this a good Sonic Setup?
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  • #38,917
  • Aug 27, 2012 5:26am Aug 27, 2012 5:26am
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  • #38,918
  • Aug 27, 2012 5:31am Aug 27, 2012 5:31am
i took this setup too, i would be glad about what the pro´s think of this
  • #38,919
  • Aug 27, 2012 5:33am Aug 27, 2012 5:33am
Quoting kashTrader
Was this a good Sonic Setup?
I have similar entry with yours and I wonder the same. The green channel is from the M15 chart while the yellow channel is from the H1 chart. I wonder if I have to wait for the price to break the m15 channel or not.
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  • #38,920
  • Aug 27, 2012 5:36am Aug 27, 2012 5:36am
Mind explaining why do this eurusd setup?
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