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  • #10,241
  • Mar 29, 2012 3:11pm Mar 29, 2012 3:11pm
Quoting ohammond
The extreme cycle indicator isn't part of matrix v3. The TVI2 has taken its place completely.
I feel if I'm not using the extreme cycle indicator it gives false signals

I've attached an image explaining this: If I dont use the extreme to tell me when to enter I would enter either too early or too late.
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  • #10,242
  • Mar 29, 2012 3:12pm Mar 29, 2012 3:12pm
Quoting Agent-Pipen
In my case, i had to load the extreme cycle indikator which is not part of the matrix v3.0 package. I think that still repaints. I dont know how to read the extreme on the matrix 3.

Agent-Pipen,

You must load all the indikators contained in the Symphonie 3.0 Packet for the Symphonie Matrix v3.0 to function. If you do not then Symphonie Matrix v3.0 will not function because it is calling on only v3.0 indikators. Also, there are templates that I loaded to make ease of setup. Please the *.tpl files in your template folder.

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #10,243
  • Mar 29, 2012 3:15pm Mar 29, 2012 3:15pm
Quoting fxwall
in matrix 1.7 we wait 4/5 begin candle for extreme spike to close.
in v3.0 how is better do now ?

thanks

fxwall,

No more waiting on 4 bars to close in v3.0 just exit of the first bar. Unless you like to wait 4 additional opposing extreme spike bars.

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #10,244
  • Mar 29, 2012 3:17pm Mar 29, 2012 3:17pm
Quoting andylad121
Ive read through 3/4 of this entire thread. But all thats done for me is confuse me!. Eval could you explain exactly your technique your using right now? when everything lines up, you enter and what is your exit technique. If we're waiting for an extreme spike in the opposite direction, It doesnt seem very profitable backtesting (and using static indicators)

Could you elaborate without referring me to post1 exactly how you trade this, as this is not very clear after going through this huge thread. Exact technique Im looking for, with exact indi...

andylad121,

Nope. No explainations are necessary. All the situations, settings and ways that I trade Symphonie are all contained in post#1. Currently, I am trading Symphonie 60-5 using exit strategy #1.

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #10,245
  • Mar 29, 2012 3:17pm Mar 29, 2012 3:17pm
Quoting ohammond
Sentiment and Emotion will still repaint but to a lesser degree, what Eval was talking about was the alternative to the extreme, top row. Once the bar has closed it does not repaint.

Correct!
  • #10,246
  • Mar 29, 2012 3:18pm Mar 29, 2012 3:18pm
Quoting ohammond
I'm sure evaluator has not got time to go over everything he's already gone over. You may not want to refer to post 1 again, but you should because nobody is going to explain something that is already written down for you IN POST NUMBER 1.
ohammond,

EXCELLENT answer!

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #10,247
  • Mar 29, 2012 3:19pm Mar 29, 2012 3:19pm
I show you some interesting filter for symphonie (or ie. arrow) signal.
Magenta vertical line are filtered (not taken) and mostly not so profitable entrys!
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  • #10,248
  • Mar 29, 2012 3:19pm Mar 29, 2012 3:19pm
Quoting ohammond
Just use it how its always been used with the matrix, all blue buy all red sell....as simple as that
ohammond,

WOW....3 for 3 you are on a roll!!!

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #10,249
  • Mar 29, 2012 3:20pm Mar 29, 2012 3:20pm
Quoting Evaluator
Agent-Pipen,

You must load all the indikators contained in the Symphonie 3.0 Packet for the Symphonie Matrix v3.0 to function. If you do not then Symphonie Matrix v3.0 will not function because it is calling on only v3.0 indikators. Also, there are templates that I loaded to make ease of setup. Please the *.tpl files in your template folder.

Evaluator.:nerd:

I have loaded all the indicators into expert indicators, then uploaded templates into my template folder. closed out metatrader, reopen and right click on template. Am I doing something incorrectly?
  • #10,250
  • Mar 29, 2012 3:24pm Mar 29, 2012 3:24pm
Quoting ohammond
The extreme cycle indicator isn't part of matrix v3. The TVI2 has taken its place completely.

Ohammond,

Extreme Indikator is apart and will always be a part of the 4 indikators system for Symphonie. However, you are correct the old indikator (GoldSuperCycle) has been replaced by a new Indikator (TVIv2 Histogram) as the new Extreme value in the job of Symphonie Extreme Indikator. It is still the Extreme Indikator but the alogrithms used to provide this value are more stable and most importantly do the same thing and do not repaint once a timeframe bar has completed. But I am sure you already know that! I just want to say again for all reading.

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #10,251
  • Mar 29, 2012 3:31pm Mar 29, 2012 3:31pm
Quoting andylad121
Post 1 is irrelevant! many things have changed since then and many people have asked the same thing im asking. Its pointless reading post 1 as that is now how he trades it now.

1. wait for all 4 indis to agree
2. enter
3. exit on when we see an extreme spike on opposite side (either fully or leave half running until trendline changes colour

Evaluator is that exactly all you do? with all indi settings remaining the same from post 1? I find it hard to believe after him announcing all the diff indis, settings, timeframe hes changed to. Im new and...
andylad121,

Wrong! Post #1 is totally relevant and nothing has changed but the algorithms that are used to identify the Extreme value. Instead of a red or blue spike you just look to the changes in red and blue bars colour instead of a spike. It is simplified in the basic format and now just like the Symphonie Matrix but broken into the individual 4 parts.

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Evaluator is that exactly all you do?

Correct! That is all you do from an indikator stand point. But Symphonie is MUCH MUCH more than just indikators and if you really read post #1 then you would know that. Some people print it out and read it over and over again but that is some people. Also, remember there are link sections that go to all the additional addons, tips, techniques, and discussions on situations all contained in post#1.

I highly suggest you re read the ENTIRE post#1 again (begin to end) because I follow post #1 rules and guidelines to the letter!

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #10,252
  • Mar 29, 2012 3:39pm Mar 29, 2012 3:39pm
Quoting Agent-Pipen
I have loaded all the indicators into expert indicators, then uploaded templates into my template folder. closed out metatrader, reopen and right click on template. Am I doing something incorrectly?

If you have

Symphonie Extreme Indikator v3.0
Symphonie Emotion Indikator v3.0
Symphonie Sentiment Indikator v3.0
Symphonie Trendline Indikator v3.0
Symphonie Matrix v3.0

all in your ExpertsIndikators folders then you should have no problem annd the Symphonie Matrix reformating indikator should function. Also, it is best to close MetaTrader first.........then load the indikators...then restart Metatrader.

Evaluator.:nerd:
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  • #10,253
  • Mar 29, 2012 4:06pm Mar 29, 2012 4:06pm
Thanks to eval for this thread but Im getting really frustrated after seeing people say how successfull it is and I dont seem to be having the same results. Have a look at my chart below for all my entry and exits.

I remember eval saying it was about 80% correct using the technique in post 1. I must be doing something wrong, can someone look at my chart and check my entries and exits where correct (according to post1). I exit when I see new extreme (top row) change of colour. And enter when all colours line up. These are typical results below, yet with evals account stats I should of made a shed load of pips! so frustrating, dont know what I'm doing wrong.

total pip count for london open to close = +8 pips. Just need to know if I'm at least doing it right and these are expected results

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  • #10,254
  • Mar 29, 2012 4:12pm Mar 29, 2012 4:12pm
Quoting migmac
Evaluator,

Thank you for the new version

I have set the alarm to "on" on the matrix v 3.0 but it seems I am not getting the notifications, is there anything else that needs to be changed to activate the notifications?

Thank you

Evaluator

can you please reply to my question? I don't get any popup alert with the new version, is it normal?
  • #10,255
  • Mar 29, 2012 4:14pm Mar 29, 2012 4:14pm
Quoting migmac
Evaluator

can you please reply to my question? I don't get any popup alert with the new version, is it normal?

I will look into but it will be tomorrow before I look at it.

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #10,256
  • Mar 29, 2012 4:22pm Mar 29, 2012 4:22pm
Quoting chewz
Thanks to eval for this thread but Im getting really frustrated after seeing people say how successfull it is and I dont seem to be having the same results. Have a look at my chart below for all my entry and exits.

I remember eval saying it was about 80% correct using the technique in post 1. I must be doing something wrong, can someone look at my chart and check my entries and exits where correct (according to post1). I exit when I see new extreme (top row) change of colour. And enter when all colours line up. These are typical results below,...
chewz,

If you are trading in 5 min then you need some higher timeframe to confirm direction. 5 Min timeframe is very prone to get caugh in whipsaws and you need a confirming factor to keep you with the trend. I use Symphonie 60-5 which means I only trade the 5 min when I have a valid 60 min Signal. Once the 60 min goes out of sync then I stop trading until I have a new valid Signal and then I only take 5 min Symphonie Signals that agree with the 60 min signal.

That way one trades with the trend and not against it. There are a few varriations used in confirming the validity of the 5 min Symphonie Signal. You have Symphonie 60-5, 240 MTF Heiken Ashi, the 15 Min Sentiment-Emotion, or using a more stable higher timeframe like 15 min or 1 hour.

In any event it is important to keep your trades with the trend and not against it that way your Symphonie Signals will produce better results because the orders will have market momentum behind them. (There are several methods outlined in post#1)

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #10,257
  • Edited 5:45pm Mar 29, 2012 4:58pm | Edited 5:45pm
Quoting Agent-Pipen
I feel if I'm not using the extreme cycle indicator it gives false signals

I've attached an image explaining this: If I dont use the extreme to tell me when to enter I would enter either too early or too late.
Sorry, but I don't see from that image how you would enter too early or too late, you are waiting for all of the indicators to agree, yes? So where you have put the lines on the chart the top row (the new extreme) was the same colour as the one at the bottom (the old extreme) so no I don't see how you can say what you said.

What I've done is add the old extreme indicator v2 on the chart you've shown, which shows the history of where the spike was at the time, the ones you've shown have repainted (the whole problem for everyone) and now shows a lovely picture that wasn't there at the time. These show that the extreme was the same colour as the new matrix at the time EXCEPT where I have put the horizontal line, using the old extreme, you wouldn't have got a sell signal until the blue extreme had repainted which would have been a lot lower.
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  • #10,258
  • Edited 5:52pm Mar 29, 2012 5:39pm | Edited 5:52pm
Quoting Evaluator
Extreme Indikator is apart and will always be a part of the 4 indikators system for Symphonie. However, you are correct the old indikator (GoldSuperCycle) has been replaced by a new Indikator (TVIv2 Histogram) as the new Extreme value in the job of Symphonie Extreme Indikator.
The original GoldSuperCycle indicator did paint Extreme Spikes, and I can well see how you named it as the 'Extreme Indicator', because that's what it's job was. However, TVi is MUCH more than a simple 'extreme' point indicator. It is a Tick Volume Indicator and it contains much information that is lost if using it as a histogram. Of course in the Matrix it can only be a simple red or blue, and that is the trade off for having the Matrix.....ie...information is lost. For instance.....in the attached pic you can clearly see where the PA is trending and where it is ranging......that is because the volume is not there to move the TVi and so it serves as a heads up that it would be a bad time to enter a trade. Of course this valuable information is lost when using Matrix, and that is a trade off. But to change TVi to a histogram achieves nothing and defeats one of the purposes of the TVi indicator.

As I said, it is much more than an Extreme point indicator as GoldsuperCycle was.


Quoting Evaluator
It is still the Extreme Indikator but the alogrithms used to provide this value are more stable and most importantly do the same thing and do not repaint once a timeframe bar has completed. But I am sure you already know that! I just want to say again for all reading.
Yes, because Ohammond and I have been testing this TVi for many weeks now, we are well aware of it's stability and the fact that it does not repaint. When I first mentioned TVi to you, you dismissed it......and you said so even in this thread! We have tested TVi in many situations and in all time frames and I have even been trading it without Symphonie with great results.

Sorry that we don't agree on this Eval, but this is NOT an Extreme Point indicator.....it is a Tick Volume indicator (hence TVi) and to make a histogram out of it just kills half of it's value that has been carefully engineered and coded.

I will always use the TVi as it is (yes I use Matrix as well) because of the valuable information it displays and to pay respect to MaryJane, the TVi author.
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  • #10,259
  • Mar 29, 2012 5:57pm Mar 29, 2012 5:57pm
Dear forex gods, why must thou continue to punish thy bulls? Is it because the unfaithful bulls have been worshiping the Golden Calf? Have they been seen in the temple dealing with the evil money changers; and trading their valuable paper script for worthless piles of gold and silver coins?
  • #10,260
  • Mar 29, 2012 6:01pm Mar 29, 2012 6:01pm
Here is an H4 chart showing the trend. I've been watching this one for a while, and the recent trendline rejections are down to Bernanke...lol....is he playing with us?!?!
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