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  • #5,381
  • Oct 26, 2011 12:00pm Oct 26, 2011 12:00pm
Quoting AFXFin
Do not quit smokiing before big trade related events. I've eaten all cookies in a house and now I wander to fridge every 10 minutes. Only thing I get from this event is 10 pounds and thats not in currency
same here lol....
Have I got something on my face, SOLDIER?
  • #5,382
  • Oct 26, 2011 12:15pm Oct 26, 2011 12:15pm
Doesn't anyone else think that even if the Euro drops, there will be statements made to calm us villagers from panic to stem the tide of any bearish movements?

If it drops, there will be some IMF statement or PM out there saying they will do everything in their power to keep further disasters...blah blah blah

They seem to have as much endless bs to regurgitate as the US does to print fake dollars.
  • #5,383
  • Oct 26, 2011 12:16pm Oct 26, 2011 12:16pm
Subtle move, so directional even by the standards of USD/JPY

All the jawboning from Japan, to no effect.
Then this morning with US core retails USD got sold

Then the sudden strength in USD.

May be all the market. May be not

Do not think they will do the boom boom routine as it is very expensive.
But to stabilize USD/JPY Yes
That may explain this mornings PA in USD Index
  • #5,384
  • Oct 26, 2011 12:20pm Oct 26, 2011 12:20pm
Quoting chodd22
Doesn't anyone else think that even if the Euro drops, there will be statements made to calm us villagers from panic to stem the tide of any bearish movements?

If it drops, there will be some IMF statement or PM out there saying they will do everything in their power to keep further disasters...blah blah blah

They seem to have as much endless bs to regurgitate as the US does to print fake dollars.
politicians are meant to calm down people at times at crisis, even though its built up on false pretense and false hope. what they suppose to do? lol...

Lagarde: "euro zone is f@#! and we must put greece out of the equation, spain, and italy too, and we cannot find a solution for 1+ years."

lol shed get fired hehee...
at least we fx traders know what to expect most of the time
Have I got something on my face, SOLDIER?
  • #5,385
  • Oct 26, 2011 12:23pm Oct 26, 2011 12:23pm
Quoting chodd22
Doesn't anyone else think that even if the Euro drops, there will be statements made to calm us villagers from panic to stem the tide of any bearish movements?

If it drops, there will be some IMF statement or PM out there saying they will do everything in their power to keep further disasters...blah blah blah

They seem to have as much endless bs to regurgitate as the US does to print fake dollars.
I think we cannot blame them after all. They attempt to make the markets steady and to minimize the amount of sharp dramatic moves, aka ensure price stability. The fact that they use poor measures (aka keep kicking the can down the road) makes them look funny, but when one asks himself "how would I tackle the problem?" then most have no response... maybe excluding our fundie masterminds But they don't seem to be eager to take Bennys or Trichet jobs, so basically the world is doomed.


ADD: Hmm after short consideration, maybe being central banker / politician means sitting in such a deep... (you know), so that anyone competent enough doesn't want to do it, and therefore we get only those, who are dumb enough to think it is simple? Nice theory, isn't it ?
  • #5,386
  • Oct 26, 2011 12:25pm Oct 26, 2011 12:25pm
Quoting AFXFin
He is a moron who drag finland to this same crises by BS:ing about greece to be able to handle it's debts while he was financial minister....

Always nice to hear opinion of a native .

I am really looking for the end of the dinner. Maybe, maybe, if it will be total disaster, I will break my rules and do some minishort without confirmation.

T.
"I know one thing, that I know nothing." Sokrates
  • #5,387
  • Oct 26, 2011 12:25pm Oct 26, 2011 12:25pm
  •  AFXFin
  • | Joined Oct 2011 | Status: Price don't have a mind of it's own | 915 Posts
"Now that the meeting of all 27 EU leaders is out of the way, attention now turns to a summit of 15 eurozone leaders, which is getting under way."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/b...?newsfeed=true

No numbers agreed. They went to lunch I assume....

We've now had a statement from the 27 EU heads of government following today's meeting. The leaders talk of a "common resolve to do their utmost to overcome the crisis and to help face in a spirit of solidarity the challenges confronting the European Union and the Euro area".

LOL And tax payers are paying their salaries...
  • #5,388
  • Oct 26, 2011 12:26pm Oct 26, 2011 12:26pm
Quoting bumapatria
politicians are meant to calm down people at times at crisis, even though its built up on false pretense and false hope. what they suppose to do? lol...

Lagarde: "euro zone is f@#! and we must put greece out of the equation, spain, and italy too, and we cannot find a solution for 1+ years."

lol shed get fired hehee...
at least we fx traders know what to expect most of the time
The irony is they say it to keep their pensions and entitlements that in affect put most countries in the situation we are all in.

Sucks their words can still move markets though...so until that ends, you gotta play fundamentals big time.
  • #5,389
  • Oct 26, 2011 12:26pm Oct 26, 2011 12:26pm
Here's the EZ statement on what's the game plan going forward: http://t.co/IJI3X3uV
  • #5,390
  • Oct 26, 2011 12:29pm Oct 26, 2011 12:29pm
Quoting Blobik
I think we cannot blame them after all. They attempt to make the markets steady and to minimize the amount of sharp dramatic moves, aka ensure price stability. The fact that they use poor measures (aka keep kicking the can down the road) makes them look funny, but when one asks himself "how would I tackle the problem?" then most have no response... maybe excluding our fundie masterminds But they don't seem to be eager to take Bennys or Trichet jobs, so basically the world is doomed.


ADD: Hmm after short consideration, maybe...
Couldn't have said it any better...shame on us for not chasing those pensions for playing dumb...
  • #5,391
  • Oct 26, 2011 12:32pm Oct 26, 2011 12:32pm
Expecting another high might be test,closed all short
If there was easy money lying around,no one would be forcing it into your
  • #5,392
  • Oct 26, 2011 12:38pm Oct 26, 2011 12:38pm
Quoting bumapatria
disagree. and agree . there are pros and cons to this. it minimizes risk exposure, and protects ur profit even more. that i agree, and is great MM. disagree because, have been rescuing trades ever since, and overall "i dont lose". i might lose 100 pips here and some there, but at the end of the day i dont lose. he is right about rescuing a trade. most dont do this because of the increased risk exposure, but in the end of the day, are you going to profit or lose? thats the point. right now im rescuing my euro short minor loss (still open) with...
Remember, everyone trades different.

If you are trading large position size on this 50:1 US leverage trying to "rescue" a trade can be a very quick trip to a margin call.

I risk roughly 2% of my risk capitol on every trade. The margin requirement for holding this much E$ on just 1 trade takes up roughly 25% of my available margin equity.

Try throwing a few rescue trades on a bad trade like that without stops and see how long your account lasts when margin calls start closing out your worst losers first.
I don't care which way the market is going as long as it's going my way
  • #5,393
  • Oct 26, 2011 12:41pm Oct 26, 2011 12:41pm
Quoting chodd22
The irony is they say it to keep their pensions and entitlements that in affect put most countries in the situation we are all in.

Sucks their words can still move markets though...so until that ends, you gotta play fundamentals big time.
Yep.

Politicians have the power to move markets because we voters got conned into believing that they are the ones who hold our best interests at heart.

Unfortunately the ones who start out honest, end up just as corrupt or worse than the ones who nominated them and we voters lose again.

It's a culture in politics. If you're not a good conner, you don't get re-elected no matter how good your intentions.

But that's life and politics. Not much you or I can do about it. It would take a revolution to change things.

.
Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it
  • #5,394
  • Oct 26, 2011 12:43pm Oct 26, 2011 12:43pm
  •  AFXFin
  • | Joined Oct 2011 | Status: Price don't have a mind of it's own | 915 Posts
In short the resulution of summit was that thei'll tell banks to whne money from investors - if they cannot get any - countries will support and if country have no money to spend, theill get it from ESFS.

Only new thing is that ESFS money can be used to back up banks. French got their demands through and taxpayers will bail banks out of loans their govermets have taken to spend on taxpayers... whoah!

Edit: No one seems to be happy about this but markets don't react because this was expected.
  • #5,395
  • Oct 26, 2011 12:49pm Oct 26, 2011 12:49pm
Quoting AFXFin
In short the resulution of summit was that thei'll tell banks to whne money from investors - if they cannot get any - countries will support and if country have no money to spend, theill get it from ESFS.

Only new thing is that ESFS money can be used to back up banks. French got their demands through and taxpayers will bail banks out of loans their govermets have taken to spend on taxpayers... whoah!
It's worse than that. The Greek government will use borrow money from the EFSF to buy shares in banks that they owe money to because they couldn't pay them back what they already owed them.

So technically, if I owe VISA money and I cannot pay them, I can borrow from Mastercard to buy shares in Visa so when I don't pay them, they will at least have some cash that I gave them to give me the shares. :rolf:
Add: Ohh and then I can use my shares in Visa as collateral to secure the loan I get from Mastercard.
Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it
  • #5,396
  • Oct 26, 2011 12:52pm Oct 26, 2011 12:52pm
If I am correct then the Press Conference begins in another 10 mins ?
  • #5,397
  • Oct 26, 2011 12:54pm Oct 26, 2011 12:54pm
Quoting LearninForex
If I am correct then the Press Conference begins in another 10 mins ?
That is the scheduled time yes. When Wall Street closes. 4pm EST
Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it
  • #5,398
  • Oct 26, 2011 12:54pm Oct 26, 2011 12:54pm
Quoting PipTrapper
It's worse than that. The Greek government will use borrow money from the EFSF to buy shares in banks that they owe money to because they couldn't pay them back what they already owed them.

So technically, if I owe VISA money and I cannot pay them, I can borrow from Mastercard to buy shares in Visa so when I don't pay them, they will at least have some cash that I gave them to give me the shares. :rolf:
And France is going to call China to see if they will give the money to the EFSF to give it to Greece.... Passing the buck.
I don't care which way the market is going as long as it's going my way
  • #5,399
  • Oct 26, 2011 12:54pm Oct 26, 2011 12:54pm
Quoting LearninForex
If I am correct then the Press Conference begins in another 10 mins ?
If they wont be late. I think it should appear here, if you keep reloading the page.

http://ec.europa.eu/avservices/ebs/s...ution=0#101007

T.
"I know one thing, that I know nothing." Sokrates
  • #5,400
  • Oct 26, 2011 12:57pm Oct 26, 2011 12:57pm
Quoting PipKiller
And France is going to call China to see if they will give the money to the EFSF to give it to Greece.... Passing the buck.
That's called "Using AAA paper to guarantee CCC paper"
Isn't that how the sub prime crisis started in the US?
Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it
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