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  • #169,341
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:54am Dec 7, 2009 9:54am
Quoting FX-Petra
I am not quite ready for higher rates.
I'd challenge anybody to find the one person, aside from Volcker and Reagan who were actually ready to take a 20% interest rate in 1981.

Nobody ever gets ready for an emergency surgery, you just go through with it or croak on the stretcher.
Not all sins are created equal
  • #169,342
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:55am Dec 7, 2009 9:55am
Quoting gatorinla
it dont matter if bb has on a pink toto and pulls gerbals out his ass singing "god save the Queen" in french. goldmen insiders were selling since late last month and still last last week. if goldmen has shit under their nails. their not gonna suck their thumb. cat laid off and the saudis are orgasmic with 75 oil.. and the suadis are selling boa.. these guys are nervous...

On a personal note, I would pay $100 usd for a ticket to see Ben give a perfomance like that!
  • #169,343
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:56am Dec 7, 2009 9:56am
Quoting gatorinla
goldmen insiders were selling since late last month and still last last week...
Selling what? Euro or Dollar?
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
  • #169,344
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:56am Dec 7, 2009 9:56am
Quoting FX-Petra
Not to put to fine a point on it.... but we have already called China's bluff. They cannot stop buying US debt. They are financing their own econmic boom by doing so. Maybe the US is in a long term death spiral, but if we are China is in it with us.

This is the start of a long term death spiral....
  • #169,345
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:57am Dec 7, 2009 9:57am
Quoting gatorinla
if goldmen has shit under their nails. their not gonna suck their thumb.
Coming soon, two sachs, one cup.
Not all sins are created equal
  • #169,346
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:58am Dec 7, 2009 9:58am
Quoting FX-Petra
On a personal note, I would pay $100 usd for a ticket to see Ben give a perfomance like that!
Count me in for $100 as well.

Maybe we should petition Bernanke!
Not all sins are created equal
  • #169,347
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:59am Dec 7, 2009 9:59am
Quote

Ok, currency traders think fed will raise sooner, therefore stronger USD. I get that. But what is up with stocks? They continue to be strong, when clearly an intrest rate hike would hurt them. Any suggestions?



May be the correlation is getting weaker. If interest rate rises, then that means US economy is on solid recovery along with consumer spending increases.


So stocks are rising because of stronger US recovery, companies will post more sales and profits.

  • #169,348
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:59am Dec 7, 2009 9:59am
Quoting Jay Walker
Coming soon, two sachs, one cup.

  • #169,349
  • Dec 7, 2009 10:01am Dec 7, 2009 10:01am
Quoting mfoste1
Its 10:47 in new york....the markets have been open for 1 hr...bernanke speaks at 1245......
exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • #169,350
  • Dec 7, 2009 10:04am Dec 7, 2009 10:04am
Quoting mfoste1
This is the start of a long term death spiral....
Maybe. But if we are in the death spiral, it started a long time ago. Not sure where the beginning was. USA letting China peg the YUAN to the USD and not having the balls to do anything about it would be a good point to investigate.
  • #169,351
  • Dec 7, 2009 10:05am Dec 7, 2009 10:05am
Quoting Area51
A51...
My vote for one of the best avatars at FF....
FUBAR...
  • #169,352
  • Dec 7, 2009 10:07am Dec 7, 2009 10:07am
Quoting GastonCorzo
exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the day just started pal...
  • #169,353
  • Dec 7, 2009 10:07am Dec 7, 2009 10:07am
Quoting FX-Petra
Not to put to fine a point on it.... but we have already called China's bluff. They cannot stop buying US debt. They are financing their own econmic boom by doing so. Maybe the US is in a long term death spiral, but if we are China is in it with us.

Touche. No argument there. Still, wouldnt that benefit a rate hike even more? So that all parties involved in buying short to mid term bonds at dirt cheap prices can actually benefit?
Different opinions highly valued, ignorant to slander.
  • #169,354
  • Dec 7, 2009 10:08am Dec 7, 2009 10:08am
Quoting FX-Petra
Maybe. But if we are in the death spiral, it started a long time ago. Not sure where the beginning was. USA letting China peg the YUAN to the USD and not having the balls to do anything about it would be a good point to investigate.
I'd look at the closure of the gold window in 1971.
Not all sins are created equal
  • #169,355
  • Dec 7, 2009 10:08am Dec 7, 2009 10:08am
Quoting FX-Petra
Maybe. But if we are in the death spiral, it started a long time ago. Not sure where the beginning was. USA letting China peg the YUAN to the USD and not having the balls to do anything about it would be a good point to investigate.

China was smart...they knew exactly what they were doing.

Not only are they gonna not stop buying U.S. debt, they are gonna start stacking up USD reserves...they know whats coming
  • #169,356
  • Dec 7, 2009 10:11am Dec 7, 2009 10:11am
Quoting psiholog
Touche. No argument there. Still, wouldnt that benefit a rate hike even more? So that all parties involved in buying short to mid term bonds at dirt cheap prices can actually benefit?
Someday, yes...but not today. After 3 or 4 months of job growth, not less than expected declines! At some point US economy will recover and we will start buy stuff again. Until that time, weak USD is what the USA needs.
  • #169,357
  • Dec 7, 2009 10:12am Dec 7, 2009 10:12am
Quoting Jay Walker
I'd look at the closure of the gold window in 1971.
Point well taken.
  • #169,358
  • Dec 7, 2009 10:19am Dec 7, 2009 10:19am
Quoting Jay Walker
I'd look at the closure of the gold window in 1971.

found an interesting gold chart jay...
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  • #169,359
  • Dec 7, 2009 10:25am Dec 7, 2009 10:25am
Quoting FX-Petra
Someday, yes...but not today. After 3 or 4 months of job growth, not less than expected declines! At some point US economy will recover and we will start buy stuff again. Until that time, weak USD is what the USA needs.
This is interesting. Now I'd like to see charts of bonds versus job data in previous recessions (data improving included) versus data today. If anyone could post such charts it would be much appreciated, just to see where we stand today compared to the past. It may give hints as to what to expect in the next 6months to 2 years.
Different opinions highly valued, ignorant to slander.
  • #169,360
  • Dec 7, 2009 10:27am Dec 7, 2009 10:27am
Quoting FX-Petra
Someday, yes...but not today. After 3 or 4 months of job growth, not less than expected declines! At some point US economy will recover and we will start buy stuff again. Until that time, weak USD is what the USA needs.

There are a lot of people in the US that have money and just won't spend any until the uncertainty of cap & trade, health care, etc. is diminished.

It won't take much growth to get things going again. It's all about jobs.





First post . Looking forward to learning from you guys.


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