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  • #169,321
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:21am Dec 7, 2009 9:21am
Quoting FX-Petra
We will see if the Fed is truly independent or not.
Actually, the Federal Reserve's address should be changed to 85 Broad Street, New York, NY, 10004.

That's how independent they are.
Not all sins are created equal
  • #169,322
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:24am Dec 7, 2009 9:24am
Quoting Jay Walker
Actually, the Federal Reserve's address should be changed to 85 Broad Street, New York, NY, 10004.

That's how independent they are.
  • #169,323
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:25am Dec 7, 2009 9:25am
Quoting Jay Walker
Actually, the Federal Reserve's address should be changed to 85 Broad Street, New York, NY, 10004.

That's how independent they are.
Agreed, and it is hard to see how rising intrest rates would benefit Wall Street right now. Currency markets are now leaning towards US raising rates first. If Ben slaps that idea down, we'll be right back to where we started a few days ago.... dollar down, stocks up. We will see!!!
  • #169,324
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:27am Dec 7, 2009 9:27am
Quoting Jay Walker
Actually, the Federal Reserve's address should be changed to 85 Broad Street, New York, NY, 10004.

That's how independent they are.
Aw Cmon Jay. Goldman don't own the fed yet do they?

A51

  • #169,325
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:29am Dec 7, 2009 9:29am
Quoting FX-Petra
Agreed, and it is hard to see how rising intrest rates would benefit Wall Street right now. Currency markets are now leaning towards US raising rates first. If Ben slaps that idea down, we'll be right back to where we started a few days ago.... dollar down, stocks up. We will see!!!
Simple. It wouldn't!

The USD is becoming the carry trade currency of choice. Who wants interest rates raised when you can borrow free money and invest it elsewhere?
Not all sins are created equal
  • #169,326
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:30am Dec 7, 2009 9:30am
Quoting Area51
Aw Cmon Jay. Goldman don't own the fed yet do they?

A51

They do in the same way a puppeteer owns it's puppet.

Goldman has their hand so firmly implanted up the Federal Reserve's backside that they can feel Bernanke's tonsils.
Not all sins are created equal
  • #169,327
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:32am Dec 7, 2009 9:32am
Quoting Jay Walker
Simple. It wouldn't!

The USD is becoming the carry trade currency of choice. Who wants interest rates raised when you can borrow free money and invest it elsewhere?
If you are on wall street, the answer is no one. If you are a Chinese factory worker working for $2 a day and no bathroom breaks, you are hoping for higher US rates!
  • #169,328
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:35am Dec 7, 2009 9:35am
Quoting Jay Walker
They do in the same way a puppeteer owns it's puppet.

Goldman has their hand so firmly implanted up the Federal Reserve's backside that they can feel Bernanke's tonsils.
Hey Jay

Now that's funny, and very graphic.

A51

  • #169,329
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:37am Dec 7, 2009 9:37am
Quoting FX-Petra
If you are on wall street, the answer is no one. If you are a Chinese factory worker working for $2 a day and no bathroom breaks, you are hoping for higher US rates!
Well, a Chinese factory working should want that. So does the average Joe in America. Remember Paul Volcker's little stunt raising the interest rate sky high in the 80's? There was a method to the old fox's madness.

Considering how uneducated the majority of people are on this topic, In America, China or elsewhere for that matter, they would just give you a blank stare, shrug and go back to their thing.
Not all sins are created equal
  • #169,330
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:37am Dec 7, 2009 9:37am
don't you think that fed doesn't want to break trend line ? and Ben talk will be in that direction and eur/usd is going up ?

weak dollar means a lot for economy.... bilions of dollars every day ?
  • #169,331
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:38am Dec 7, 2009 9:38am
Perhaps Wall St. knows that rates are not going anywhere--- and they are sitting back laughing their a$$ off (all the way to the bank) with all this sudden dollar strength. That would explain the why equites remain unphased while world currency markets have the gitters. But I'm no conspiracy theorist!
  • #169,332
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:43am Dec 7, 2009 9:43am
Quoting FX-Petra
If you are on wall street, the answer is no one. If you are a Chinese factory worker working for $2 a day and no bathroom breaks, you are hoping for higher US rates!
Are you sure about that? Lets not forget we've been having bond sales all year long like there was no tommorow. Who is buying them? especially short term bonds, last I saw, the only thing the treasury is doing is moving money from the right hand to the left hand (Goldman sucks anyone?)...am I wrong? And if I am correct, wouldnt those thugs expect returns on their investments? Forget paying off the debt, that was never the plan (as proven by Obama's holiday special, 30k more troops to Afghanistan...nay...I mean YAY)
Different opinions highly valued, ignorant to slander.
  • #169,333
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:47am Dec 7, 2009 9:47am
I believe we have just entered typical end of the year volatility period. So what USD moved 200pips in a day, that does not mean the long term trend line is reversed. The fundamentals such us US debt and FED printing press point to overall weaker dollar for long time to come. What you see now is nothing more than a bubble popping attempts and profit taking.
  • #169,334
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:47am Dec 7, 2009 9:47am
wow what a daily reversal !!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • #169,335
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:49am Dec 7, 2009 9:49am
Quoting Jay Walker
Well, a Chinese factory working should want that. So does the average Joe in America. Remember Paul Volcker's little stunt raising the interest rate sky high in the 80's? There was a method to the old fox's madness.

Considering how uneducated the majority of people are on this topic, In America, China or elsewhere for that matter, they would just give you a blank stare, shrug and go back to their thing.
As MR. Joe America, I am not quite ready for higher rates. Perhaps, after 3 of 4 months of positive job growth, we can take in a little rope. Until then, I am not traveling abroad, nor buying a BMW or Mercedes. China has been building their enconomy for years by dumping their crap here (and manipulating their currency). Weak dollar hurting a bit, is it? As far as I'm concerned, they can choke on it a while longer while our economy recovers!

Thanks,

Mr. Joe America
  • #169,336
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:51am Dec 7, 2009 9:51am
Quoting GastonCorzo
wow what a daily reversal !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its 10:47 in new york....the markets have been open for 1 hr...bernanke speaks at 1245......
  • #169,337
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:52am Dec 7, 2009 9:52am
Quoting skozyuk
I believe we have just entered typical end of the year volatility period. So what USD moved 200pips in a day, that does not mean the long term trend line is reversed. The fundamentals such us US debt and FED printing press point to overall weaker dollar for long time to come. What you see now is nothing more than a bubble popping attempts and profit taking.

I don't follow the 'printing money' info as closely as many of you, but of the $700B TARP money, I heard not all of it actually got lent out, and now we have banks that will repay their loans sooner rather than later. If I remember correctly, not all the bank even wanted to be leant money, they were forced to take it. So how much printed money is really out there? Is the Greenback really that diluted? Just asking.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
  • #169,338
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:52am Dec 7, 2009 9:52am
let fed & others do whatever , i only looking for my longs , just touch 23.6% fib , hope will follow through 38.2% to 50% .
fontu
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  • #169,339
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:53am Dec 7, 2009 9:53am
it dont matter if bb has on a pink toto and pulls gerbals out his ass singing "god save the Queen" in french. goldmen insiders were selling since late last month and still last last week. if goldmen has shit under their nails. their not gonna suck their thumb. cat laid off and the saudis are orgasmic with 75 oil.. and the suadis are selling boa.. these guys are nervous...
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #169,340
  • Dec 7, 2009 9:54am Dec 7, 2009 9:54am
Quoting psiholog
Are you sure about that? Lets not forget we've been having bond sales all year long like there was no tommorow. Who is buying them? especially short term bonds, last I saw, the only thing the treasury is doing is moving money from the right hand to the left hand (Goldman sucks anyone?)...am I wrong? And if I am correct, wouldnt those thugs expect returns on their investments? Forget paying off the debt, that was never the plan (as proven by Obama's holiday special, 30k more troops to Afghanistan...nay...I mean YAY)
Not to put to fine a point on it.... but we have already called China's bluff. They cannot stop buying US debt. They are financing their own econmic boom by doing so. Maybe the US is in a long term death spiral, but if we are China is in it with us.
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