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  • #941
  • Nov 23, 2019 2:07am Nov 23, 2019 2:07am
Quoting TyLamai
{quote} Yes I get it, we are on the same page. Maybe my usage of the term "Dynamic Basketting" threw you. A few quick questions though: For every time your Index gives a signal, do you have to "re-determine" which Group A and Group B baskets to trade (Dynamic Basketting)? Or... Are your Group A and Group B baskets always fixed based on your chosen Index (Fixed Basketting: like we currently have with the C,5,12,14,etc)? How do you decide which pairs goes into the groups based on your chosen Index? Is there a "formula" applied to determine this or...
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Yes I get it, we are on the same page.
Okay -- excellent. And, yes, the term "dynamic" did throw me, because this is NOT dynamic.

And your questions are perfect and to the point...

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For every time your Index gives a signal, do you have to "re-determine" which Group A and Group B baskets to trade (Dynamic Basketting)? Or... Are your Group A and Group B baskets always fixed based on your chosen Index (Fixed Basketting: like we currently have with the C,5,12,14,etc)?
Group A and Group B baskets are always fixed (and carved in stone) based on the chosen index. This is Fixed Basketing -- no different than what you've shared with us throughout this thread. I haven't changed anything and I'm not proposing any changes. I'm just breaking things down a bit so we can better understand why it works so well. And it does work well.

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How do you decide which pairs goes into the groups based on your chosen Index? Is there a "formula" applied to determine this or is it based solely on the historical correlation/decorrelation of each pair when compared with the Index of choice?
So -- this is the question I was hoping for. Only @aaven was curious enough to ask about it @aaven is always supportive and striving to learn more.

I modified the BasketChart2 indicator again -- the one that @LifeHunt3r recently shared. It's a great indicator and gave me some ideas. The new indicator is called R4M-BasketProfitLossEstimator. What it allows me to do is to estimate the P/L for each pair based on the chosen index. When the Smoothed HA signals a transition then we save the Open price for the current symbol and with each subsequent bar we compute the delta (i.e. difference) between the open price and the current close price. If the current trend is BULLISH and the symbol belongs in Group A then: Delta = Close - Open, or if the symbol belongs in Group B then: Delta = Open - Close. And we keep summing and plotting all the deltas until we reach the next transition. If the current trend is BEARISH then we adjust the computations accordingly. In the end you get a P/L chart that makes it very clear whether a symbol should be traded with the Smooth HA's trend or opposite the trend. And this then allows you to assign the symbol to either Group A or Group B. Also, depending on the total P/L you may decide that a symbol makes minimal contribution and, so, you ignore it. So, given a particular index, I'll test all 28 pairs and maybe I'll choose 11-15 with the highest P/L's and assign them to Group A or Group B.

Keep in mind the R4M-BasketProfitLossEstimator indicator does not really trade -- there are no StopLosses so it never loses. It only compares the open price at a signal with subsequent close prices (until the next signal). It roughly simulates trading from signal-to-signal. The Group A and Group B assignments that I've been able to compose using this indicator align with current 'C' and 'RB' baskets, so I'm pretty sure it is working correctly. But since it is hot-off-press then I'm not yet prepared to guarantee that it is working perfectly.
  • #942
  • Edited 2:33am Nov 23, 2019 2:22am | Edited 2:33am
Quoting TyLamai
{quote} {quote} Ok...I had to go re-read your post above. It's a bit clearer now. So, like the C5 and C14 before it, the RB15 basket (which is traded based on signals from the RB7 Index) will have the same fixed pairs forever. The only difference being your classification into Groups A & B. And from what I understood from your post above, this was determined based on correlation/decorrelation with the RB7? Ok. Regards and Stay fluid, Ty PS: I noticed that some clown is still disliking your posts...you are sure you don't want anything done about...
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So, like the C5 and C14 before it, the RB15 basket (which is traded based on signals from the RB7 Index) will have the same fixed pairs forever. The only difference being your classification into Groups A & B.
Yes -- exactly...

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And from what I understood from your post above, this was determined based on correlation/decorrelation with the RB7?
Yes -- exactly...

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PS: I noticed that some clown is still disliking your posts...you are sure you don't want anything done about that?
@aaven also noticed it. I know who it is and it's okay. And, besides, there isn't much you can do. He has so many fake aliases (and continues to create new ones) that you would be hard-pressed to ignore them all. This is a "red-badge" who has been reduced to disliking posts and never again being able to post comments that others might find of value. But that was never his intention in the first place. We need people like that -- since it allows us to contrast them against major contributors like yourself and @bishopdotun. And when most readers see this kind of behavior then they have greater appreciation for members that do attempt to bring value. For example, back in April I was a zero-badge -- a rookie. But the constant insults, mocking and threats from the Darkside brought a lot of traffic to my thread and within 1.5 months I was a red-badge -- not because I was such a great trader, but because my thread had grown in popularity. Just as every cloud has a silver lining, then so does the annoying behavior from the Darkside. I won't name the members of the Darkside -- they are currently reading this and know who they are. And that is sufficient.

EDIT: Also, Ty you realize that when you bring up this issue and allow me to respond to readers of your thread and indirectly to the Darkside in a measured tone (compared with how they behave), then it further enhances my reputation. Who knows, perhaps I'm doing the disliking to gain attention and sympathy? BTW -- I'm not...
  • #943
  • Nov 23, 2019 4:21am Nov 23, 2019 4:21am
Quoting robots4me
{quote} {quote} Yes -- exactly... {quote} Yes -- exactly... {quote} Who knows, perhaps I'm doing the disliking to gain attention and sympathy? BTW -- I'm not...
Ha! What a laugh...Lol.

Anyway, that settles the matter then. Moving on.

Regards and Stay fluid,

Ty
My job: I speculate and manage risk.
  • #944
  • Nov 23, 2019 4:23am Nov 23, 2019 4:23am
Quoting LifeHunt3r
{quote} Ty, He-he... the only thing I can bring to the table regarding coding is the logic. I don't know any coding language and unfortunately can't code. The changes I made to the Pivot indicator that I posted a while ago was to hard-code only the settings to such a degree that we only have to change the weekly open & close candles. You are right, we need a coder to modify one of the Pivot indi's for us to work on offline charts. Why does that particular indi work then? What these Pivot indi's all need in order to work correctly is a full week's...
I decide to go for a 2nd attempt now that I have a more relaxed atmosphere using the same chart I posted above (zoomed in).

Also included is the ADR marker (set at 20ATR just like I do with my individual pairs).

What do you think?
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Regards and Stay fluid,

Ty
My job: I speculate and manage risk.
  • #945
  • Nov 23, 2019 5:07am Nov 23, 2019 5:07am
Quoting robots4me
{quote} Hello Ty -- thanks for your very interesting, informative and educational response -- I'm still learning... {quote} So -- you give me too much credit -- I was not referring to "dynamic" basketing. It's an interesting idea that I need to think more on, but my post was about something more simple but which I feel is more fundamental for successfully trading baskets. Let me back up and try to explain a different way: 1. An Index + Tidane (28/3) is used to generate some signals. That's all the Index is used for -- to generate some signals and...
Steve,

Extending what you said and Using C5 basket as an example; can we say that a pair[X] is managed by other pairs[A,B,C ETC].

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a. GBPJPY price movement is 'managed' by controlling [AUDJPY, EURJPY,GBPJPY,GBPUSD, NZDUSD]

or looking at a different way:

b. GBPJPY is the parent that acts as constraint limiting the degree of freedom of [AUDJPY,EURJPY,GBPJPY,GBPUSD,NZDUSD]

There are 8 major currencies:

AUD
CAD
CHF
EUR
GBP
JPY
NZD
USD

If we capture the whole of 28 pairs and simplify it to just 4 pairs/4 Indexes:

AUDCAD
EURCHF
GBPJPY
NZDUSD

[Note: Just pick one currency and link it to other currency]

Based on the method you proposed, if we identify the pairs that are used to manage the key 4 pairs/4 indexes:

i.e.

1. AUDCAD-Index

AUDCAD is managed by [C,D,E...]

2, EURCHF-Index

EURCHF is managed by [G,H,I...]




By taking signals on 4 indexes and trading the respective basketd, shouldn't we able to capture the whole of 28 pairs?

Thanks
  • #946
  • Nov 23, 2019 5:25am Nov 23, 2019 5:25am
Quoting TyLamai
{quote} What do you think?
Perfect.

With optimism over a possible end to the US/China trade war earlier this week, the C5/C8 baskets shot up to R78 and was clearly rejected there. It danced between R61 and WPP the whole week and only broke that pattern in NY session on Friday when fear crept into the market again.

It's a reminder to us that the C5 & C8 baskets are Risk-On/Risk-Off. To avoid the risk posed by a possible continuation of the trade war, investors ran to USD and JPY selling the rest - that was on Friday. Middle of the week there was uncertainty which way it would go, hence the ranging.

Cheers

Lee
Fix your thoughts on what is true, and honorable, and right, and pure...
  • #947
  • Nov 23, 2019 5:34am Nov 23, 2019 5:34am
Quoting LifeHunt3r
{quote} Perfect. With optimism over a possible end to the US/China trade war earlier this week, the C5/C8 baskets shot up to R78 and was clearly rejected there. It danced between R61 and WPP the whole week and only broke that pattern in NY session on Friday when fear crept into the market again. It's a reminder to us that the C5 & C8 baskets are Risk-On/Risk-Off. To avoid the risk posed by a possible continuation of the trade war, investors ran to USD and JPY selling the rest - that was on Friday. Middle of the week there was uncertainty which way...
Thank you for your response Lee.

And continuing with your Risk-On/Risk-Off analysis: There looks to be a whole LOT of downside to the C5/C8/C14 baskets. Since that huge October Bullish basket move, it's been ranging.

Add to that the "impeding" UK General Elections, US/China Trade war, and the Year ending...we MIGHT just see a sustained, "corrective" Bearish push.

Who knows?

We are prepared to take advantage of whatever the market brings our way.

Again: Thanks for your input.

Regards and Stay fluid,

Ty
My job: I speculate and manage risk.
  • #948
  • Nov 23, 2019 6:13am Nov 23, 2019 6:13am
Wow some amazing developments happening. Thank you all.

I am currently marking up for the week and wanted to share BBMA version of GBPJPY. According to basically in line with others charts... a big move down is expected. H4 needs to make a reentry first so will come up then drop...at least that what it looks like according to BBMA codes.

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EX BBMA trader focusing on REE code.
  • #949
  • Nov 23, 2019 8:50am Nov 23, 2019 8:50am
Quoting Simontw
Wow some amazing developments happening. Thank you all. I am currently marking up for the week and wanted to share BBMA version of GBPJPY. According to basically in line with others charts... a big move down is expected. H4 needs to make a reentry first so will come up then drop...at least that what it looks like according to BBMA codes. {image}

There is lots of Divergence confirming your thinking.
  • #950
  • Nov 23, 2019 2:41pm Nov 23, 2019 2:41pm
Quoting aaven
Really????! I was just re-reading Steve's and Bishops posts about the new RB7 basket and see the posts are disliked. Here are the Basketers who are working and experimenting and sharing their work-when they could have easily kept the work to themselves. Do you know the amount of selflessness and character to do what they are doing? Irked to me no end as to why someone would have a problem and i see zero reason for any criticism. To the person disliking the post-In case you weren't taught: It doesn't behove a man to wear a skirt and neither does...
The issue is, traders do not share. Re read your post, then read this.... if you think it’s ok to take Source code, then re hack, re name and provide it as an ex.4. file is the work of a selfless great character then you are mistaken. It’s just someone else looking for the golden goose and will be gone the moment they find it. Great thread that will now get diluted with ideas heading in all directions.
  • #951
  • Edited 3:44pm Nov 23, 2019 3:30pm | Edited 3:44pm
Quoting moodybot
{quote} The issue is, traders do not share. Re read your post, then read this.... if you think it’s ok to take Source code, then re hack, re name and provide it as an ex.4. file is the work of a selfless great character then you are mistaken. It’s just someone else looking for the golden goose and will be gone the moment they find it. Great thread that will now get diluted with ideas heading in all directions.
Andy,

The original file uploaded by @LifeHunt3 happens to be a source file. You are a coder, but consider from the perspective of non-coders: The original file draws the basket chart in the sub-window and if one wants to customize it; he has to shell out money by hiring a coder to do the work. Steve did the work for free and he chose to keep
his code locked. Yes-Him releasing the source file would have been a bonus-Even for a non coder- keeping in view the MT4 updates-or porting to new platforms, having the source file definitely helps.

If he were hired, that would have been a different story-demand for the source file would have been justified. As of now, he has done more than his share, nor did he claim that the work was originally his. As for the golden goose part{edit:who among us isn't?}, he has been transparent from the get go- I bring coding skill to the table- in return, i expect people to work with me and test the work, i put forth so both of us can profit. That has been Steve's motto, in-spite of that he released quite a bit of indicators.

Funny thing is: I don't think any one made a proper case for him to release the source code, i am sure he would have considered it if it was justified.

When it is all said and done, all previous versions of programs whether EX4 are susceptible to being broken. Isn't Steve many times better than all the people who chose not to share anything-knowing that, what he has shared at some point will be hacked?

Thanks
  • #952
  • Nov 23, 2019 5:19pm Nov 23, 2019 5:19pm
Quoting moodybot
{quote} The issue is, traders do not share. Re read your post, then read this.... if you think it’s ok to take Source code, then re hack, re name and provide it as an ex.4. file is the work of a selfless great character then you are mistaken. It’s just someone else looking for the golden goose and will be gone the moment they find it. Great thread that will now get diluted with ideas heading in all directions.
Hello moodybot,

Thanks for stopping by (again) and contributing to the thread.

I'm of the opinion that everyone is entitled to his/her opinions as long as they communicate theirs in a non-intrusive and respectful manner. I think you have done that so far concerning the issue in question which is (I believe) the sharing or non-sharing of source codes.

Here's where I beg to differ in opinion with yours:

#1.
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It’s just someone else looking for the golden goose and will be gone the moment they find it.
You CAN'T know this. Period.
While you MAY have experienced this in your relations with others elsewhere (maybe), generalizing and ASSUMING this would/should be the case with @robots4me or other would-be coders/sharers is just plain wrong.

For example, I have had no contact (that I can remember) with you before today while having been on FF for years. It would be crazy of me to ASSUME you were unreasonable simply because you stopped by to air your views concerning the non-sharing of source codes. You certainly have a right to your opinions and I respect that even though I disagree with your generalization across board in terms of expectations.

I believe everyone has their reasons for doing what they do and I agree with @aaven that Steve (or anyone else) can decide to, or not to, share their source code if they feel like it AS LONG AS:
a.) They were NOT contracted/commissioned to code said Indicators/EAs/Scripts/All-what-nots.
b.) "No one has made a proper case for him releasing his source code". I haven't. Have you?
c.) There isn't an expiration function inserted or some sort of limitation which would hinder would-be users from using said Indicators/EAs/Scripts/All-what-nots going forward.

I have come in contact with a bunch of egotistical nutjobs during the course of my sojourning through FF and I can't handle guys who feel that the universe revolves around them (some user with a "9" in his username comes to mind here) BUT it would be crazy of me to ASSUME and CONCLUDE that Steve is the same just because I've met others who are!. ALSO: I believe in the "non-monopolization/colonization" of knowledge: NO ONE PERSON knows it all - even if "the golden goose" (as you put it) were to be discovered here and and someone were to "be gone" with it, it won't stop that knowledge from coming out...come on man, look at history! (or just look at BTM and now JoeeF and the stellar work he's currently churning out with his BTM EA).

#2.
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Great thread that will now get diluted with ideas heading in all directions.
I flat out disagree with you on this point! And just so we are ALL on the same page, I'll attempt to summarize where we're at:

a.) What I have ALWAYS planned to do here was to create a ROUND TABLE where BASKETTERS can come to discuss EVERYTHING related to BASKETTING.

b.) I mentioned in the FIRST POST that you could share WHATEVER method you use to trade YOUR brand of basketting with us AS LONG AS you describe what's on your chart so that we can follow what you are doing AND if we are interested, AND you are WILLING, you could SHARE with us HOW you trade.

c.) So far, so good - in my humble opinion.

d.) While sharing our signals from our VARIOUS Indexes of choice, we have ALSO gone ahead to EXPERIMENT and DISCUSS and SHARE ways to TRY to make basketting MORE EFFICIENT: hence the discussions concerning categorizations (be it: Indexes, Baskets, Group A, Group B, HAS settings, Tidane Settings, etcetera, etcetera). THIS has NOTHING to do with changing what we do here in any way.

"Trade as you like - NO RIGHT OR WRONG WAY" has been my motto FROM DAY 1 - anyone whose been here or who's bothered to read the thread from the get go, can bear me witness. No one is DILUTING THIS THREAD with ideas or HEADING IT IN ALL DIRECTIONS. Not everyone has to be involved in the evolution of basketting which MAY or MAY NOT occur from our experimentation.

If you are NEW to basketting, then EVERYTHING you require to trade the basket is on Post#1.
If you are CRAZY like me and believe that basketting can be more efficient (or can evolve or be streamlined), then join the conversation. Your thoughts (how-be-it simple/daft to you) just MIGHT be the clincher which would result in that "AHA!" moment for me or someone else here.

Bottom line: There's nothing to see here. This is just a PLAIN, OLD, BORING, basketting thread. If it works for you, join in. If it doesn't, move along.

I hope I've communicated clearly. Like I said at the onset of this rant (sorry), your CONTRIBUTIONS are welcome here anytime.

Regards and Stay fluid,

Ty
My job: I speculate and manage risk.
  • #953
  • Edited 6:19pm Nov 23, 2019 5:39pm | Edited 6:19pm
Quoting moodybot
{quote} The issue is, traders do not share. Re read your post, then read this.... if you think it’s ok to take Source code, then re hack, re name and provide it as an ex.4. file is the work of a selfless great character then you are mistaken. It’s just someone else looking for the golden goose and will be gone the moment they find it. Great thread that will now get diluted with ideas heading in all directions.
Hey @moodybot -- aren't you the one who boasted about the amazing EA you created for @George that was never intended to be shared? I don't recall seeing any *.mq4 or even *.ex4. Why is that? At least I don't boast about all the indicators and EAs that I don't intend to share.

You are an experienced trader, but you're a rookie when it comes to software. My source code pulls in headers and links with a DLL library. The main *.mq4 is only a shell of the original shared here. You wouldn't know how to build it anyways. If the modified *.ex4 doesn't have value for you without the source code then don't use it. And besides, you've been here nearly a decade and have NEVER shared an original or modified indicator or EA -- what would you do even if you had the source code? "Indicators are useless -- trust me" -- remember?

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Great thread that will now get diluted with ideas heading in all directions.
Ty -- this is one of Andy's favorite talking points when attempting to disrupt a thread -- he's used it before. There's no need to address it. This is a public forum with members from around the world with diverse backgrounds and trading experiences. And people have different things to share. Just like price often strays from the "fair value" midline, so might a thread. But when the OP's intentions are good and the content has value -- like here -- then the thread will always revert to the OP's original goals.
  • #954
  • Nov 23, 2019 5:41pm Nov 23, 2019 5:41pm
More beneficial than any source code is the explanation, questions, discussions about the new opp.

My interest id to realize some profits from the baskets, I do not care what source code is being used, as long as it does the job.

One thing that irritates me about the apps by robots4me... he forgets to insert a smiley face, and I have been after him for years about this. lol

The one problem with providing source code is that updates would be hard to track. The exe file is great, especially with the shared knowledge as to how it is developed.

Thanks, robot man, I know that we all appreciate your efforts to enhance our trading.
  • #955
  • Nov 23, 2019 6:02pm Nov 23, 2019 6:02pm
Quoting Blaiserboy
More beneficial than any source code is the explanation, questions, discussions about the new opp. My interest id to realize some profits from the baskets, I do not care what source code is being used, as long as it does the job. One thing that irritates me about the apps by robots4me... he forgets to insert a smiley face, and I have been after him for years about this. lol The one problem with providing source code is that updates would be hard to track. The exe file is great, especially with...
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One thing that irritates me about the apps by robots4me... he forgets to insert a smiley face
I know, I know -- but I hate using emojis -- they just aren't my style. I've only recently learned how to use them.

Here -- @Blaiserboy, my friend -- I'll lower myself to include a smiley just for you...
  • #956
  • Nov 23, 2019 6:18pm Nov 23, 2019 6:18pm
Quoting robots4me
{quote} {quote} I know, I know -- but I hate using emojis -- they just aren't my style. I've only recently learned how to use them. Here -- @Blaiserboy, my friend -- I'll lower myself to include a smiley just for you...
halo, not knowing your source code spurred me to write my own half-baked indicator for the band.
  • #957
  • Edited 7:17pm Nov 23, 2019 6:21pm | Edited 7:17pm
Quoting robots4me
{quote} Hey Andy -- aren't you the one who boasted about the amazing EA you created for @George that was never intended to be shared? I don't recall seeing any *.mq4 or even *.ex4. Why is that? At least I don't boast about all the indicators and EAs that I don't intend to share. You are an experienced trader, but you're a rookie when it comes to software. My source code pulls in headers and links with a DLL library. The main *.mq4 is only a shell of the original shared here. You wouldn't know how to build it anyways. If the modified *.ex4 doesn't...
Very good.

Loss of memory Steve? The reason you never saw an ex4 or mq4 was because it was never going to be shared, this I mentioned countless times. George and I used it to prove George’s theory regards money management. Would you like me to cut n paste where I continually said that? Why you continually bring that up I have no idea.
Im pleased that you pull in headers and links and that I don’t know how to build it..personally I like to know exactly what’s running on my chart. No hidden surprises. This is Tys thread. So we are done.
  • #958
  • Nov 23, 2019 6:23pm Nov 23, 2019 6:23pm
Quoting mixedbags
{quote} halo, not knowing your source code spurred me to write my own half-baked indicator for the band.
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not knowing your source code spurred me to write my own half-baked indicator for the band.
@mixedbags -- I remember. And your indicators are NOT half-baked -- they are beautiful and I am envious...
  • #959
  • Nov 23, 2019 6:47pm Nov 23, 2019 6:47pm
Quoting robots4me
{quote} {quote} @mixedbags -- I remember. And your indicators are NOT half-baked -- they are beautiful and I am envious...
Steve, your not something special. Stop polluting another thread. Your just an old grumpy retired programmer who still can’t trade. That’s why you have all these systems and keep changing.
Are you profitable long run ? I say your not .
And don’t message garbage like I begged you to use your indicator. I never used it as it failed testing miserably.
  • #960
  • Edited 7:32pm Nov 23, 2019 7:12pm | Edited 7:32pm
Quoting Pip-Miner
{quote} Steve, your not something special. Stop polluting another thread. Your just an old grumpy retired programmer who still can’t trade. That’s why you have all these systems and keep changing. Are you profitable long run ? I say your not . And don’t message garbage like I begged you to use your indicator. I never used it as it failed testing miserably.
Hey @Pip-Miner -- I've only been responding to posts directed at me. And speaking of "polluting another thread" -- what brings you here? Looking for some drama? It's good for Ty's thread -- it brings in additional traffic and once people get past the entertaining bickering then hopefully they'll take a closer look at what Ty has done to resurrect basket trading.

Yes -- I am old and, yes, I am grumpy. Those are badges I wear proudly. But retired -- not yet. I'm just getting warmed up...

With regards to the signals you requested from one of the early versions of the BD indicator -- I remember you boasting to others that you were collecting "the cream". So -- it was working for you, though you'd never admit it now.

And @Pip-Miner -- what happened to your Text Signature "Taking cream from the herd'. Don't tell me you've decided to drop it because it was too revealing of your true nature. It was one of my favorites...
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