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Same here -- Good one, thanks.
Quoting tunera
This structure apply to a plant in the same way as it apply to the market, what is the market then, the price activity.
It is simply the exploration of the market structure (the market branches), in this process the price go exploring the various branches, every of them
...
So, in the market plant, we will see some branches with many littler branches attached to him, big powerful full of life branches, big amount of money join the market, the volume is high, great big trends that move the market far away in one direction.
That, or similar fractal imagery, can guide me on where to concentrate my thoughts, when drawing some of a list of devices on charts and when stopping a trade in its planned area for something I may've missed.

It freely moves between areas, unlike restrictive / single-area (cycle, trendline, resistance, etc.) examples.
The only comparable I have is to focus as much as can on a random-size area, and then "Just go for it all!" in however long the trade takes to fulfill or falsify the reason -- test-phase imagery too risky for real trade.
The addition of prime numbers


To CrucialPoint:


*** What does this have to do with trading? ***

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TZkQ65WAa2Q

Quoting CrucialPoint

"The intangible construct has many constant.
Any construct has a constant.
And any construct may contain many constant.
Example; such as Newtion's law and Pi.
If you combine all these constants, you would end up with a somewhat like a periodic table of the intangible construct.
You will be able to categorize certain natures of the construct."
:nerd:

I guess those constants are based on some ideas, axioms like:

1.Trade only with the trend....First rule

2.The key information these chartless Professional traders use are the; Previous High and Low, with its Opening and Closing price (you can view this on a candlestick, but you don't even have to). Once you know the high and low with its open and close, you posses a tremendous amount of information all ready in able for you to trade successfully (of course, you must have the system to make use of such simple information alone).....

3.You can never truly know what price will do at Support/Resistance. Do not enter until you get a confirmation of the direction. Do not exit your trade until your system tells you to.

You've heard it before; Let your profits run. Support/Resistance is not a reason to exit. If you are coming to a S/R with a trade open, wait till your system tells you to exit. If your system isn't showing any signs of exit... then hold on tight and ride that runaway train! .....

4.Here is the simple answer to Forex: Trade with the trend and Money management. By following these 2 points alone, you don't require a so-called edge (system/edge). Trading with the trend possess' great edge (most people don't see that). Add money management with trading the trend... you then have an great system.....

5. You can convert 4 (and infinite number of TF) different Multi-screen Time frame into 1 single screen time frame with 4 lines representing each different time frame. Anything above the line is an uptrend, anything below the line is a downtrend.

A chartless Professional Trader would ask the price at time (x), the price in the last 4hours, the price in the last hour, the price in the last 15mins and then the current price... Once he knows these information he will simply go with the direction of the prevailing wind.

6.The charts are governed by 2 Hemispheres; BUY hemisphere and SELL hemisphere. You ONLY BUY in the BUY Hemisphere. You ONLY SELL in the SELL Hemisphere. You can establish the boundaries wherever you like. You can use whatever tool you want to establish a boundary. The Crucial Point is that a boundary must be established

.................by Crucial Point...........

Or itīs something beyond these concepts?

Have a good weekend
Quoting morepipspls
I guess those constants are based on some ideas, axioms like:
Or itīs something beyond these concepts?
Have a good weekend
No. The journal posts are for beginners.
These concepts are far beyond that.
Quoting CrucialPoint
No. The journal posts are for beginners.
These concepts are far beyond that.
But journal posts are on the same line as this thread.

So if someone wants to really understand this topic, I think, he has to master the journal posts first.
CP, there appears to be a conflict between the "number 1 and golden rule" of following the trend and your more advanced methods of trading -- with "no historical data", no charts or indicators, or that within a single period's OHLC, "you possess a tremendous amount of information".

Have you actually moved beyond some of the "beginner" concepts to the point where they no longer apply to your trading, or are they still relevant to what you are writing about now? Is it possible to always trade with the trend without using historical data?

Thanks.
"A is A"
Quoting CrucialPoint
This periodic table of intangible construct can identify false breaks, length of a move, continuations, without ever using candlestick patterns, fundamentals, S&R, mass psychology, supply and demand, etc...
CP,

So I assume that these intangible constructs are used to evaluate price movement. Specifically I would guess that a focus on impulsive moves that indicate a strong mass stimulus would be most beneficial.

I am also thinking that there must be some quality in these movements that can be visually seen without the aid of the these constructs.

Do you think that they can be deduced from careful observation along with the proper mental framework? Or at least get you started on the right path.

Perhaps I am just having delusions of potential understanding.
Thanks for all the fish
The Ball - B needs to get to the Glove - G while dealing with the constant of Gravity.

Track the movement of the ball.

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Nothing is impossible, with a willing mind!
Quoting catiron
CP, there appears to be a conflict between the "number 1 and golden rule" of following the trend and your more advanced methods of trading.

Have you actually moved beyond some of the "beginner" concepts to the point where they no longer apply to your trading, or are they still relevant to what you are writing about now? Is it possible to always trade with the trend without using historical data?
1. I never explained my advance methods. I posted beginner concepts.

2. Does the beginner concepts still apply to my trading? If you learned English language (as your beginner concepts) and then you go and learned a new language (or mathematics), does the beginner concept still apply to your new language (or mathematics)? Sorry, it's not a simple answer yes an no. Visually no, but the underlying construct are molded and refined to produce a somewhat a new material, like a new metal alloy.

Quoting Vogon
Specifically I would guess that a focus on impulsive moves that indicate a strong mass stimulus would be most beneficial.

I am also thinking that there must be some quality in these movements that can be visually seen without the aid of the these constructs.

Do you think that they can be deduced from careful observation along with the proper mental framework? Or at least get you started on the right path.
Visually, the answer is no.
Sorry, you have to elaborate on what you mean by "careful observation" and "proper mental framework".

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Quoting tunera
I've made a little image to try to give some more information about my view on the market, as you can see it remind a little bit some kind of plant, in fact such principle is observable on almost anything in this universe.
You can see, any branch (or we can say trend, in our market metaphor) have many other branchs attached to it, and any of those have in turn many other branchs attached to it, etc.
This structure apply to a plant in the same way as it apply to the market, what is the market then, the price activity.
It is simply the exploration...
Metaphors are great. They bridge, cement and solidify the abstract of ideas. That's how true thinkers roll As Einstein once said;

"Imagination is more important than knowledge."

There is no point in studying and attaining knowledge if you can't use your imagination to piece, mold, combine different concepts to produce something new.... With no use of imagination, one is like a walking library of information and nothing more.

I've posted similar to your metaphor in one of my older posts:

http://www.forexfactory.com/attachme...4&d=1322097683

That question is really on the line, from one point of view the beginning concept (English) was the tool to learn the second concept (Mathematics) and was used to point you towards the basics and elementary understanding of the Second Concept, but after mastering the new concept we can say that we are not in need to use the basic concept we can say it was tool to learn so you can develop the new concept, it's pretty hard to pull deductive conclusion and say if we didn't know English we would not be able to learn and develop Mathematics, we used to think in terms of words and trying rationalize everything.

And at the moment am planing to go through everything again, because when you come back after a while with refreshed perspective you can have bigger insight and better understanding. Because I don't understand yet the advanced concepts as I would like, i will need to do lots of home work and read. But I'm not in hurry I have time and steady income now.

Between do you bother with % hit ratio, as I remember the 6 D concept we can not be always in the wining 2 D one for long one for short.

And i'm studying forex no more then 3 years.

Best to All

P.S. Crucial I would have some questions in future, Is it OK to ask, you will decide if you want to answer ?


Quoting CrucialPoint
1. I never explained my advance methods. I posted beginner concepts.

2. Does the beginner concepts still apply to my trading? If you learned English language (as your beginner concepts) and then you go and learned a new language (or mathematics), does the beginner concept still apply to your new language (or mathematics)? Sorry, it's not a simple answer yes an no. Visually no, but the underlying construct are molded and refined to produce a somewhat a new material, like a new metal alloy.


Visually, the answer is no.
Sorry, you have...
Quoting CrucialPoint

Visually, the answer is no.
Sorry, you have to elaborate on what you mean by "careful observation" and "proper mental framework".

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Thank you for your response,
Time frame has not yet been mentioned directly, so let me.
Can these constructs be effectively applied on all time frames?

Careful observation would be considering every nuance of the price movement including slope, consistency, resistance, pauses, mini reversals and such. This could include drilling down to the lowest possible time frame.
Up until now I was thinking that these constructs could be usable at higher time frames, but now I am not so sure.

Proper mental framework would the thinking of someone who has closely read everything you have posted on FF and feels at least an elementary understanding of your concepts along with a long history of passionate market study.
Thanks for all the fish
continue troubling your mind guys...you are giving the brain teaser a hell lotta fun playin with your minds.
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Quoting pemully
continue troubling your mind guys...you are giving the brain teaser a hell lotta fun playin with your minds.
Finally...

What does Alex Honnold(rock climbing) got to do with trading?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR1jwwagtaQ

That you don't need price history?
Even if you fall on your face, you're still moving forward.
Quoting Ralome
That you don't need price history?

Haha! Funny! BUT the dude did say he climbed the face of half dome a few times with ropes to map out a path so he could do it free style. So, there is history.
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
Quoting CrucialPoint

What does Alex Honnold(rock climbing) got to do with trading?

When you know what you are doing anything is possible.

Every man must know his limitations.

Practice your art on demo before going live OR know exactly what you are doing before going live.
Don't wish it were easier, wish you were better. ~ Jim Rohn
Quoting LasVahGoose
When you know what you are doing anything is possible.

Every man must know his limitations.

Practice your art on demo before going live OR know exactly what you are doing before going live.
Yes, these are true too. But these seemed too obvious for me. I mean, he does call these brain teasers, and such puzzles have "trivial" answers, but I thought he wanted to "reveal" more than these.

I also thought about "trading without stoploss is weird" (weird is the word the guy used in the video for describing his position), but that would really have been funny, and I think this is meant to be a serious thread. (Which means my answer was also serious, but I may be wrong )
Even if you fall on your face, you're still moving forward.
Depending on who is watching, it will relate in one way or another to trading.

It may mean something huge to one person, or absolutely nothing to another person.

It depends on what that particular person is looking for.
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