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Thanks for sharing. That was awesome

Quoting CrucialPoint

What does Alex Honnold(rock climbing) got to do with trading?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR1jwwagtaQ

Quoting CrucialPoint

What does Alex Honnold(rock climbing) got to do with trading?



His rope-less rock climbing is like trading without a stop-loss.

His whole account is at risk with every trade.
Thanks for all the fish
There are thousands of meanings.

It may mean doing what no one else does.

It may mean perseverance.

It may mean being obsessed with something will enable you do to the impossible in that field.

And a lot of other things, this is not a brain teaser at all, picking up the right one will be like winning the lottery but never knowing that you won.
We could say that everything is connected.
What does masturbating have to do with trading? A wise and experienced person would probably find a link there too.
It may make sense in CrucialPoint's mind, but it will never make sense in your mind.
Quoting trashPIP
There are thousands of meanings.

It may mean doing what no one else does.

It may mean perseverance.

It may mean being obsessed with something will enable you do to the impossible in that field.

And a lot of other things, this is not a brain teaser at all, picking up the right one will be like winning the lottery but never knowing that you won.
We could say that everything is connected.
What does masturbating have to do with trading? A wise and
you always end up looking for the tissues !
This video reminds me another history like this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjfBw4ezk2Y&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Imagine what happened with Dan...
Hi CP,

I always follow your hints with much of interest. This time I am not exactly convinced by the way you presented your view (or, if you wish, by the way I understand it).

As per your older post where you claim there are only 36 ways different combinations a stock may evolve; I think they can be many more or many less, to be frank and this does nat add that much, no matter how many one can envision, as long as some sort of measures are not introduced.

Two important missing piece of information:
how do you define 'strong, mild, weak ...'; what is your time horizon?

Odd fact: if you want to take time out of the equation, you can do that, but you have to assume a certain universal 'pattern' (the constant you are referring at, in your previous posts).

Let us take this for granted: still, you need an initial point. Since you like physics: Earth will always evolve around the Sun (in our simplified model) but it is impossible to know where the Earth will be tomorrow if you do not know where it is starting from at a certain time: we do need an initial condition. That is why, I am assuming, you place a buy/sell order with a price strongly correlated to the actual price of your currency/stock whatever.

Even if time is completely irrelevant, you must define your horizon (if you want measure it with perc change, rate of increase or anything; you can even define it on your very performance in forecasting, but some kind of evolutions must be taken into consideration).

At this point, let us assume that at any 'revolution' (our Earth-Sun model, right?) will cause (or can be inferred though) a return in the same season; we need to define our 'season', first and the possible outcomes depend on how many season we see.

Back to your plot. Let us assume there are only 6 different ways at any 'seasonal price movement'; after n movements, the possible outcome will be 6^n I think, but before than that we need a definition for the 'six ways'.

Just my 2*(6^n) cents (but n, I am afraid, is zero )
Quoting actarus
Hi CP,

I always follow your hints with much of interest. This time I am not exactly convinced by the way you presented your view (or, if you wish, by the way I understand it).

As per your older post where you claim there are only 36 ways different combinations a stock may evolve; I think they can be many more or many less, to be frank and this does nat add that much, no matter how many one can envision, as long as some sort of measures are not introduced.

Two important missing piece of information:
how do you define 'strong, mild, weak ...';...
I've defined it, you probably missed the post or couldn't remember it. I'm terribly sorry for I don't have much time, just search my attachment in my profile and look for the graph explaining eliminating time.

I totally get what you say, and that's what I tried to point out is that if you drew a Y and X axis (as X as your time axis) and you remove X, it trips people. They lose their mind struggling to comprehend the X nothing. It's a big leap in thinking... It's no different in History when people were struggling to comprehend 0.... They understood 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9...but not zero... And then there comes a time in history when people couldn't comprehend understand negative numbers -1 -2 -3 -4 because common sense dictates that it physically don't exist. And then the special Era when mankind was coming into terms with Infinity... And now CP is saying to eliminate time yeah a lot of people think I've lost the plot

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Oh snap! Did anyone else brought up the concept of infinity and trading? There you go hardcore math nerds >>>> a piece of the puzzle... through Pi we can see the infinite construct, thus, infinity plays a major role. You can do a lot with infinity.

Application in trading? nobody writes about it and explains it and will never be... But I give credit to the Doc... Even the Doc have no published materials explaining it. Dr Alexander Elder, the Elder-ray indicators, bull indicator and bear indicator... He has split the indicator !!!
This was the day when multi-dimensional trading secretly began. Multi-D Donchian channels, multi-d Macd, etc... yet now it has become so competitive that you won't see these materials. Hmm, when I get the time I'll give you guys a glimpse of these multi-dimensions.

To quote from CrucialPoint:

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Although I would use time based tools... I just simply ignore Time. I hope this explain my way of thinking.


The question is: if you remove X axis from the chart, then what does the horizontal axis measure? What is the purpose of the horizontal axis?
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The market movers aren't making their trades precisely on the hour or to any particular TF they just press the button and the markets reacts to their input.

So, to be most aware when this happens you need to be on the shortest TF available to you, tick charts or the 1m TF.

This way you are reacting to the momentum at the earliest oppertunity and not waiting for your particular TF to register this influx of activity.

You react when the markets react.
CP, thanks for the answer (and thanks to others who contributed).

Probably I got where you are heading to; in this case, would it make sense to you and be compatible with your way of looking at the market that time is out of the equation, but still one needs an origin in time?

First point is zero, the 'second' point is infinity. What we are really talking about, again if I am following you, is to measure a stable tendency: as such, time is out of the equation; yet, we need something to start with.

Do you concur?

Thanks. Cheers, Actarus
Quoting CrucialPoint
You can do a lot with infinity.
How true
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Even if you fall on your face, you're still moving forward.
Quoting Ralome
How true
yes it is interesting ralome,

i do somthing very similar,only using my own drawn channel lines across many time frames,ive taken trades from a bounce off the line,then when changing the time perspective the line alters its position which becomes my exit and often it turning point,very trippy
Quoting mahdiquant
The question is: if you remove X axis from the chart, then what does the horizontal axis measure? What is the purpose of the horizontal axis?
X = infinite because the market never stops and never starts.

What makes the market "finite" are the timeframes. But timeframes do not exist, they are a mere illusion that creates false beliefs about the markets.

The reality is that market just move up and down, not sideways.

Maybe its complete crap what i just said but as of date this is my understanding on the matter.
Also remember that on a tick by tick chart, the x-axis is a variable time length. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Thanks for all the fish
It has nothing to do with trading, at least to me. Keep it simple is my approach. Why do some people think trading has to be made to "sound" complicated?

Is it to make them seem as if they are really intelligent? Or are they just looking to have their ego massaged?
Quoting mahdiquant
The question is: if you remove X axis from the chart, then what does the horizontal axis measure? What is the purpose of the horizontal axis?
Now thats a valid question. I don't think you're going to get a straightforward answer in this thread so I'll try to answer it for you. If you aren't going to use time for your X axis, then you MUST use some measure of movement for your X axis...tick charts, range bars, renko, P&F, etc.

If you completely remove the X axis, then you end up with a straight vertical line, with the top of it being the absolute high, the bottom being the absolute low, and all other fluctuations occuring inside that vertical line, and that would be a brilliant way to trade wouldnt it?
Quoting willf
It has nothing to do with trading, at least to me. Keep it simple is my approach. Why do some people think trading has to be made to "sound" complicated?

Is it to make them seem as if they are really intelligent? Or are they just looking to have their ego massaged?

People who are prejudice against other people's intelligence have serious unresolved personal issues.


If you think you need to point out other people's intelligence and discriminate it, I think you should question your own ego;

  1. Why do you feel the need to be heard and post a discriminate response?
  2. Are you better than everyone else and make everyone conform to your thinking to "keep it simple"?
  3. Maybe it's you guys who needs an ego massage due to your unresolved personal issues that the whole world needs to conform according to your expectations?

If you can't comprehend what is being discussed in any thread, "Keep It Simple";

Go play somewhere else!

Quoting CrucialPoint

People who are prejudice against other people's intelligence have serious unresolved personal issues.


If you think you need to point out other people's intelligence and discriminate it, I think you should question your own ego;
[list][*]Why do you feel the need to be heard and post a discriminate response?[*]Are you better than everyone else and make everyone conform to your thinking to "keep it simple"?[*][color=DarkRed]Maybe...
My question was rhetorical and not directed at you personally but if I have offended you then please accept my sincerest apologies.
Quoting willf
My question was rhetorical and not directed at you personally but if I have offended you then please accept my sincerest apologies.
Trust me, you haven't offended me.
And you don't need to apologize to me.

I post a lot in bold red to make people give it a second thought.
Quoting Vogon
Also remember that on a tick by tick chart, the x-axis is a variable time length. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Price comes from tick, not time.

Set ticks, variable time;
set time, variable ticks. A mess.

Ignore time, then.
Only, it's all patterns on randomness anyway, and what's more standard and widely available is what counts -- Time.
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