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  • Apr 9, 2011 2:00pm Apr 9, 2011 2:00pm
  •  hellogoodbye
  • | Joined Mar 2010 | Status: Member | 15 Posts
While back testing on GBPJPY, is anyone experiencing a problem with the EA ending up with only 1 order open and that trade having large drawdown or blown accounts?
 
 
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  • Apr 9, 2011 11:36pm Apr 9, 2011 11:36pm
  •  brijon
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i left ea on to see total effect original 2 eas left run ,hugh drawdown total loss bottom line on sales due to 2 reasons management of dd and management control

so i think with this system on need to manualy turn off mt3 whan the number of positions sizes in dd is to max number of currencys you are trading eg 10 currencys 20 positions ect and min lot sizes your broker alows
im only sujesting this based on first eas not current ea

the losses in sales as a system large minuses worry me but ill re start lateR but i will use turn of eas when lot size exceeds margin eg usa under 1000 and others under 500

as a maxium i think to use the natural cycle one needs a manual overide on an ea

as well in my opinion eg 10% drawdown or max 15 % of your account size

or a margin point as your turn off ea or stop additional trades running

then at that point leave it to manual trading reducing via circle as positions go into15 PIPS or more profit on currency take profit

till $ drawdown or margin are at comfort zone

onlly my first impression i will continue testing latest ea on new bk

thank you STEVE SUPER WORK ITS A FEEDING GROUND FOR IDEAS

FROM Brian
 
 
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  • Apr 10, 2011 5:58am Apr 10, 2011 5:58am
  •  jcs
  • | Joined Oct 2010 | Status: Member | 219 Posts
Quoting hellogoodbye
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While back testing on GBPJPY, is anyone experiencing a problem with the EA ending up with only 1 order open and that trade having large drawdown or blown accounts?
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On one but last version it happened to me every time testing eurusd results in getting a margin call
Have not been able to complete a full 3 month test as yet
Dont know if it is the bot or if it is strategy tester

On the latest version I can not get a test to run at all
I get ' zero divide ' in journals log

Me on strategy tester, whatever next ! ... you have a lot to answer for Mr Hopwood but it's all good fun
 
 
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  • Apr 10, 2011 11:44am Apr 10, 2011 11:44am
  •  winsteadglenn
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Might that have an application for R&R?
 
 
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  • Apr 10, 2011 11:52am Apr 10, 2011 11:52am
  •  SteveHopwood
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Quoting winsteadglenn
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Might that have an application for R&R?
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It could have value to any trading system that lands the account in potential trouble. At some stage, I am going to add it to mptm, but for that it needs to be flexible and requires a lot of thought to code.

 
 
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  • Apr 10, 2011 12:40pm Apr 10, 2011 12:40pm
  •  hellogoodbye
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Quoting jcs
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On one but last version it happened to me every time testing eurusd results in getting a margin call
Have not been able to complete a full 3 month test as yet
Dont know if it is the bot or if it is strategy tester

On the latest version I can not get a test to run at all
I get ' zero divide ' in journals log

Me on strategy tester, whatever next ! ... you have a lot to answer for Mr Hopwood but it's all good fun
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I know what you mean but despite this the months that it does work/recover from it makes good profit, about 8-12%/mo and that's including the days it doesn't trade because of the DD trade left open.

Another problem I've noticed is the EA keeps trades open over the weekend which can lead to big losses/drawdowns or big wins should the new week open in your favor.
 
 
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  • Apr 10, 2011 12:48pm Apr 10, 2011 12:48pm
  •  SteveHopwood
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Quoting hellogoodbye
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I know what you mean but despite this the months that it does work/recover from it makes good profit, about 8-12%/mo and that's including the days it doesn't trade because of the DD trade left open.

Another problem I've noticed is the EA keeps trades open over the weekend which can lead to big losses/drawdowns or big wins should the new week open in your favor.
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If the ea ever looks likely to see a live account, I can add a Friday/Saturday close time feature.

 
 
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  • Apr 10, 2011 10:43pm Apr 10, 2011 10:43pm
  •  jcs
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Quoting hellogoodbye
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I know what you mean but despite this the months that it does work/recover from it makes good profit, about 8-12%/mo and that's including the days it doesn't trade because of the DD trade left open.

Another problem I've noticed is the EA keeps trades open over the weekend which can lead to big losses/drawdowns or big wins should the new week open in your favor.
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I was not knocking the ea by the way ... just confirming I was seeing the same thing you were, just in case Steve wanted to investigate it

Does anyone know why I am getting the ' zero divide ' in the journal when trying to backtest the latest version ?
 
 
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  • Apr 10, 2011 10:56pm Apr 10, 2011 10:56pm
  •  hellogoodbye
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Quoting jcs
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I was not knocking the ea by the way ... just confirming I was seeing the same thing you were, just in case Steve wanted to investigate it

Does anyone know why I am getting the ' zero divide ' in the journal when trying to backtest the latest version ?
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I know you weren't and I get the same error as well as another one that has to do with order close. I don't know much coding so I'm not sure what they really mean.
 
 
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  • Apr 10, 2011 11:58pm Apr 10, 2011 11:58pm
  •  jcs
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Does anyone know why I am getting the ' zero divide ' in the journal when trying to backtest the latest version ?
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Getting this on my forward test demo now also
Changing settings, reloading, removing and replacing ea completely ... all makes no difference
Anyone else ?
 
 
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  • Apr 11, 2011 12:49am Apr 11, 2011 12:49am
  •  brijon
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i think using this as manual and posibility as auto program the total amount of positions on eg 10 long 10 shhort profit take and rePlace position when the following conditions

the total of positions of half must be in profit or greater eg 10 in profit or 11 out of the 20

the profit on highest must be greater than 1o dollars then take profit new trade added try it on manual

i would not use any other trade mANAGEMENT THAN MIN MARGIN LEVEL

THEN STOP TRADING

BUT TRY IT AS A BEGINNING my experience with hedges

then add to the ea

just an idea

hope it helps


from BRIAN
 
 
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  • Apr 11, 2011 1:07am Apr 11, 2011 1:07am
  •  brijon
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Try it manual overide condition is before take profit total of half 101s must be in profit minium then take one position if it is above 10 pips
then replace it drawdown if total greater than 15% of opening balance stop trading or if margin level below 1000 % stop trading wait

just a start to develoing ideas for ea improvement


try it i think you may like it with some ea modifications later

from brian
 
 
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  • Apr 11, 2011 1:42am Apr 11, 2011 1:42am
  •  brijon
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See take profit not ready only 8 of 20 in profit needs 10 or more to take on off and replace there is 2 over 10 pips but first condition not full filled
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  • Apr 11, 2011 3:11am Apr 11, 2011 3:11am
  •  brijon
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try it it works remember 14 currencys of 101s 7 buys 7 sells

minimum 10 in profit take bigest profit above 10 pips relace with same currency same short or long which you took profit

always wait for 10 or more this way auto control dd to sales

ive done it hundreds of times it works

from brian

here is todays rinse and clean manual take profits so far starting balance demo 5 k


from brian
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  • Apr 11, 2011 3:28am Apr 11, 2011 3:28am
  •  SteveHopwood
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Quoting jcs
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I was not knocking the ea by the way ... just confirming I was seeing the same thing you were, just in case Steve wanted to investigate it

Does anyone know why I am getting the ' zero divide ' in the journal when trying to backtest the latest version ?
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If you are getting the zero divide error, then you only think you are backtesting the latest version. Delete both the .mql4 and .ex4 files from your system and re-download.

 
 
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  •  jcs
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Quoting SteveHopwood
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If you are getting the zero divide error, then you only think you are backtesting the latest version. Delete both the .mql4 and .ex4 files from your system and re-download.

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Thanks ... Done on the forward test demo, but still getting zero divide
The bot opens the 2 initial trades and then immediately logs zero divide

Steve .. FYI, tried it on 4 different IBFX demos I have .. all same
So tried it on Alpari demo and seemed ok
So I am guessing it is my IBFX installation that is screwed
Will have to do a clean install
Thanks
 
 
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  • Apr 11, 2011 9:15am Apr 11, 2011 9:15am
  •  hotstorm
  • | Joined Jul 2007 | Status: Member | 148 Posts
Is it possible to set the EA so that instead of trailing the winner it just takes profit at 10 pips? Often the trailing starts and ends up in a very small profit. I'd better take 10 pips profit right away.
 
 
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  • Apr 11, 2011 2:19pm Apr 11, 2011 2:19pm
  •  SteveHopwood
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Is it possible to set the EA so that instead of trailing the winner it just takes profit at 10 pips? Often the trailing starts and ends up in a very small profit. I'd better take 10 pips profit right away.
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Done and uploaded to post 1. Leaving TakeProfit to zero turns this feature off.

 
 
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  • Apr 11, 2011 3:53pm Apr 11, 2011 3:53pm
  •  plateman
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Well Steve, I am a little surprised at the rather muted response to this thread. I have followed your bots for some time now and this one immediately struck me as being, at this early stage, the best yet. I have run it on EURUSD and it seems to be a safe and consistent winner, although I certainly would never run it with a restricted number of trades. The reason for this is, given the strategy the bot uses, it seems to me that stopping trading at some arbitrary point can only result in an "unbalanced" set of trades that will either be good or bad depending on how the market moves in the same way as a single trade.
Moving on to more general thoughts (and I know that thoughts along these lines have been voiced before on FF), if a bot proves to be a steady and consistent winner, will the crims allow us to empty their bank accounts with it? After all Metatrader is their platform, being supplied with their prices, and some would say designed with one sole object in mind, just put yourself in the crims shoes for a minute, what would you do?
In forex trading there is no equivalent of the LSE (or NYSE etc.) electronic trading system. When I used to trade share CFD's, I would never have dreamed of trading with an outfit that provided its own version of the official LSE prices, and took the other side of my position, their interests would have been the exact opposite of mine. I used to trade with a crim that charged me a commission on every trade and gave me execution at the level 2 order book prices, that way they got their commission whether I won or lost and consequently their interests were better served by me winning as I would be more likely to continue trading.
The point of all this rambling is to ask if anybody is aware of a crim that charges commission, offers a platform that can be programmed for automated trading, permits hedge trading, and is safely regulated.
(Not asking for much then!)
 
 
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  • Apr 11, 2011 4:36pm Apr 11, 2011 4:36pm
  •  SteveHopwood
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Well Steve, I am a little surprised at the rather muted response to this thread. ....................

The point of all this rambling is to ask if anybody is aware of a crim that charges commission, offers a platform that can be programmed for automated trading, permits hedge trading, and is safely regulated.
(Not asking for much then!)
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Not much.

There isn't really a lot to discuss here, is there? We all hope, but surely nobody seriously believes that this bot can succeed long term. If trading really were this simple, then someone would have come up with the idea before now. Martingale has been around for a while, after all. Maybe that is why this thread is a bit muted?

Having said that, the standard of contributions to FF threads has improved dramatically since I started to contribute 4 years ago. I remarked elsewhere that a number of us have 'grown up together' and are starting to make sense of all this at about the same time.

In addition, we have attracted the attention of some seriously clever traders, as they have attracted our attention and we have learned to adapt their ides to our own strategies, and they have looked favourably on what we are doing.

I know there are people who leap upon my threads the instant I post them, but that is because of the critical mass that the sheer number of seriously clever minds who contribute are creating. It is nowt to do with me; I am just an idiot who is learning all the time from all the seriously clever minds and fellow FF uni graduates etc etc

Back to this bot. It arose out of Brian's balanced basket thingy, which gave rise to Dryclean's experiments with x trade-sized baskets, which led to me wondering, "What if we simply.......?" In truth, I did not expect the bot to outlast the day that I posted it.

So, maybe all we need to do is fund an account with $10,000 and trade a starting lot size of 0.01, sit back and watch the profits come in. My limited understanding is that people with deep profits martingale successfully.

Hey, maybe I just accidentally pointed the way forward for my future:

 

  1. Start a £10,000 demo and trade this bot at a start of 0.01 lots.
  2. Build my TOP account to $10,000.
  3. If my R&R has thrived, transfer to trading this, sit back and become rich.

Now, there is A Plan.

 
 
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