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  • #82,121
  • Feb 7, 2017 4:00pm Feb 7, 2017 4:00pm
UKOIL- Classic short.

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  • #82,122
  • Feb 22, 2017 2:34am Feb 22, 2017 2:34am
Hello Everyone,
I'm a newbie and I know nothing is easy and you have to really learn...I read the 5 steps pdf on post one and relate to it well. I just want to say that this thread is effing long...reading 1000 posts a day, will take me 80+ days!!! I hate you guys!

I also know trading without learning will build false confidence and i'll be in the red pretty soon...back to page 30...hope to be posting back towards this end of the thread in a couple months lol.

Sonic thanks for the system, I am sure there will be more people to thank as I go through the posts.
  • #82,123
  • Mar 29, 2017 10:52pm Mar 29, 2017 10:52pm
Quoting theone964
Hello Everyone, I'm a newbie and I know nothing is easy and you have to really learn...I read the 5 steps pdf on post one and relate to it well. I just want to say that this thread is effing long...reading 1000 posts a day, will take me 80+ days!!! I hate you guys! I also know trading without learning will build false confidence and i'll be in the red pretty soon...back to page 30...hope to be posting back towards this end of the thread in a couple months lol. Sonic thanks for the system, I am sure there will be more people to thank as I go through...

read the first page. post 1

and read last 50 pages..

mate


sonic
  • #82,124
  • Mar 29, 2017 11:42pm Mar 29, 2017 11:42pm
Nice Swing Down From 24500..

I am standing with Bear..


Sonic
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  • #82,125
  • Mar 30, 2017 7:09am Mar 30, 2017 7:09am
It has the nice run-up.
Let see the 12020, regions can hold? But once the level gets broken, we shall have more Bear to come in.


Trade Safe,

s0nic
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  • #82,126
  • Apr 2, 2017 10:16pm Apr 2, 2017 10:16pm
Quoting sonicdeejay
{quote} Absolutely agree on this one...I am glad that u asked.here are the solutions that I incorporated, to avoid possible whipsaw. 1. Trading Time Periods (that kill alot of whipsaw blunders) 2. Angle of the slope (Long 1 to 2 O clock, Short 4 to 5 O clock, avoid 3 O clock Ranging) 3. Muliple TF confirmations (By checking in 15M and 1H TF (for 5M TF trade) and 1H, D1H TF (for 15M TF trade) give u an edge on the sense of direction of Overall Trend)... 4. Not chasing after the trade. (that beats alot of single bar fake breakout, created by Big Boys)...
Hi Sonic,

What do you mean by point no. 2 ie. long 1 to 2 o'clock, short 4 to 5 o'clock, avoid 3 o'clock ranging?
  • #82,127
  • Apr 4, 2017 4:22am Apr 4, 2017 4:22am
AUD/USD - Classic Short Entry

Thank you SonicR

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  • Apr 5, 2017 4:16pm Apr 5, 2017 4:16pm
NZD/USD:

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  • #82,129
  • Apr 7, 2017 11:53am Apr 7, 2017 11:53am
Hello!

I am using the Sonic R System like it is described on page 1 for quite a while and read the first 100 pages. But I am still not profitable. I can't figure out what my mistakes are.
I am interested in what happened to this system that it is so different from the first pages to the current version? It does not use any indicators except for EMA, though it used to use a couple of indicators. If this system was so profitable with those indicators, why is it not right now, that the system changed its rules? Did the markets change? Is the current version even more profitable? If so, what the h*** am I doing wrong?
May the Pip be with you.
  • #82,130
  • Apr 7, 2017 3:20pm Apr 7, 2017 3:20pm
Quoting Chris1008
Hello! I am using the Sonic R System like it is described on page 1 for quite a while and read the first 100 pages. But I am still not profitable. I can't figure out what my mistakes are. I am interested in what happened to this system that it is so different from the first pages to the current version? It does not use any indicators except for EMA, though it used to use a couple of indicators. If this system was so profitable with those indicators, why is it not right now, that the system changed its rules? Did the markets change? Is the current...
sir there no system 100% profitiable.. one need to understand structure and price action.. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmv...qRvh0QGAf-86_Q watch this videos .. might help
  • #82,131
  • Apr 8, 2017 4:27am Apr 8, 2017 4:27am
Quoting DmitryFX
{quote} Here is the proof of how does it work. It works perfectly! {image}
Dmitry, could you please explain how you find entry points/ or maybe give some links about this srategy. I also use it and it shows good results, but it is always a problem to find the best entry. I`ve tried to enter at support/resistance levels, but quite often they were broken up. I also use PA patterns, but it is also not very effective. Maybe you have some tips to share. I`ll be very grateful to you. Thanks in advance
  • #82,132
  • Apr 11, 2017 10:28pm Apr 11, 2017 10:28pm
Hi guys,

Long time not to come here, btw, where is TAH? he's not active anymore?
  • #82,133
  • Apr 12, 2017 4:02pm Apr 12, 2017 4:02pm
Quoting sonicdeejay
It has the nice run-up. Let see the 12020, regions can hold? But once the level gets broken, we shall have more Bear to come in. Trade Safe, s0nic {image}
First of all wish to thank you for sharing your system Sonic. It literally changed how I look at trading, however using it on DAX unless one has a substantial capital, it is extremely hard to survive. Case in point was yesterday where it traveled more than 200 points up and down. I also believe that it will visit 12000 to end up the handle of the cup on weekly. Eventually it will break up from this formation for 13k and above. Forex pairs are much more manageable from what I could test.
  • #82,134
  • Apr 14, 2017 4:59am Apr 14, 2017 4:59am
Quoting mkdeep
{quote} sir there no system 100% profitiable.. one need to understand structure and price action.. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmv...qRvh0QGAf-86_Q watch this videos .. might help

Why does noone understand me... ? I did my no word say that I want a 100% system. What I am interested in is to know why the system changed from the beginning. If the system was profitable in the beginning, there must be a reason why it changed so much. From 2-3 indicators to no indicators at all. The question is not "why no indicators?". The question is "What happened that an adaption was necessary?".
May the Pip be with you.
  • #82,135
  • Apr 14, 2017 3:38pm Apr 14, 2017 3:38pm
Quoting Chris1008
{quote} Why does noone understand me... ? I did my no word say that I want a 100% system. What I am interested in is to know why the system changed from the beginning. If the system was profitable in the beginning, there must be a reason why it changed so much. From 2-3 indicators to no indicators at all. The question is not "why no indicators?". The question is "What happened that an adaption was necessary?".

If you were never profitable, then it means you are not trading when the market is trending. At the core of the system there is the swinging highs or lows and the direction of the tunnel. Sonic stated that the angle is crucial, namely to never trade when it is around 3 o'clock since the market would be ranging. Secondly, one must apply a bit of price action and also reasonable SLs that can withstand market swings. Avoid news as volatility can decimate the trade.

Regards the extra indicators, I guess other indis were introduced to filter out trades and keep one out. Remember that the market is 70% of the time more or less ranging.
  • #82,136
  • Apr 14, 2017 5:45pm Apr 14, 2017 5:45pm
Quoting S3ntin3l
{quote} If you were never profitable, then it means you are not trading when the market is trending. At the core of the system there is the swinging highs or lows and the direction of the tunnel. Sonic stated that the angle is crucial, namely to never trade when it is around 3 o'clock since the market would be ranging. Secondly, one must apply a bit of price action and also reasonable SLs that can withstand market swings. Avoid news as volatility can decimate the trade. Regards the extra indicators, I guess other indis were introduced to filter...
what is the timezone for the 3 o'clock ranging market so I can avoid it. Thanks
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  • Edited 2:48am Apr 15, 2017 12:18am | Edited 2:48am
Quoting balut
{quote} what is the timezone for the 3 o'clock ranging market so I can avoid it. Thanks
Trading for around the first 3 hours of the European and US sessions usually should lead to good trades by using m5. However it is not always the same as when news are being waited for, both bulls and bears are waiting for news results, so the market will oscillate between 2 zones. I suggest to use PA to confirm this and check the slope of the tunnel. At the end, emotions play an important role too since being greedy can slaughter you out.
  • #82,138
  • Apr 16, 2017 8:42am Apr 16, 2017 8:42am
Quoting TheOne1
What do you think guys, can history repaet itself? Eurusd has formed a bullish triangle on a daily chart. Pair can rally right now or make a false down-movement, like it was in dec 15/jan 16. I gonna use 3 buy limits> 1) 1.1200, 2) 1.1150, 3) 1.1060 with stop 1.0990 and take 1.1390. Gonna try to keep you updated, cheers {image} {image}
The last pattern is wrong. It follows the attached pattern as per the Elliott Wave principle.
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  • #82,139
  • Apr 18, 2017 2:18pm Apr 18, 2017 2:18pm
Quoting S3ntin3l
{quote} If you were never profitable, then it means you are not trading when the market is trending. At the core of the system there is the swinging highs or lows and the direction of the tunnel. Sonic stated that the angle is crucial, namely to never trade when it is around 3 o'clock since the market would be ranging. Secondly, one must apply a bit of price action and also reasonable SLs that can withstand market swings. Avoid news as volatility can decimate the trade. Regards the extra indicators, I guess other indis were introduced to filter...

I think my biggest problem is that I am missing some clues that belong to the current version of the system. I have a list of things to be checked before entering. However, this list might be incomplete or slightly wrong.
I want to share some part of it, that I found to be questionable.
1) Sonic uses 2 EMAs 34 and 89 as far as I know. These vary from version to version and thread to thread (regarding sonic r system and momentum strategies). I use 50 EMA and 200 EMA. For shorts they both need to be down and 50 EMA needs to be below 200 EMA. As for sonics version it should be 34<200, right? How are these two actually related? What is recommend to do with two (concerning averaging period and relation to each other)?

2) I am using an indicator that highlights when the angle is good. However this means, that I get a signal (for shorts) as early as the very first period is pointing at 4 / 4.30 / 5. I dont wait until several consecutive periods point at 4 / 4.30 / 5. You know what I mean?

3) I am not so certain with the SL rule. Is the SL for shorts above the beginning of the first leg or above the ending of the second / beginning of the third leg? Is trailing recommended?
May the Pip be with you.
  • #82,140
  • Edited 12:06pm Apr 19, 2017 4:43am | Edited 12:06pm
Quoting Chris1008
{quote} I think my biggest problem is that I am missing some clues that belong to the current version of the system. I have a list of things to be checked before entering. However, this list might be incomplete or slightly wrong. I want to share some part of it, that I found to be questionable. 1) Sonic uses 2 EMAs 34 and 89 as far as I know. These vary from version to version and thread to thread (regarding sonic r system and momentum strategies). I use 50 EMA and 200 EMA. For shorts they both need to be down and 50 EMA needs to be below 200 EMA....
Chris I did not use the system based on the indis only but also PA. If I am understanding well, you are not including swings for SL. I use the previous swings as SL points. Of course of the last swing is huge I avoid trading completely and look for another instrument. Also the tunnel is crucial in the sense that the price will visit it again. Look at the attached example. This is the current DAX on M15. The price hit the lower tunnel boundary again after penetrating it from below. The marked candle with an arrow is also a bullish pinbar so usually it indicates more buying pressure. IF the low of this candle was reached, it would be enforcing that a bearish trend has been enforced more (according to Nison). If we look at the tunnel, we can see it bending upwards. To be safe the SL I would set it to the previous swing low shown in red. Remember that a series of HH and HL indicate a bullish trend on the current time frame. Also the QQE on both M15 and H1 are showing. So this would indicate a high probability trade. Also one could enter at the breaking of the top of the tunnel and move SL where there is the yellow line instead, thus reducing risk, however as stated, QQE was showing an evident bullish movement, so I was confident in such a trade. As you can see am not relying 100% on indis. At the moment am trying to enforce my knowledge with Elliott Wave principle. I believe the Sonic system is more than enough to make it reading a chart easier and more consistent in the long term.

One more thing, I suggest to try to use some Forex Tester software using past data to sharpen your skills.
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