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  • #442,581
  • Oct 5, 2016 1:37pm Oct 5, 2016 1:37pm
Quoting KeenPips
{quote} For every choice, there's usually a price/cost to bear. KP
Sure But NO SANE person makes a choice without knowing the cost/price?
And we DONT KNOW THAT YET.
Thats La-La-La land.
  • #442,582
  • Edited 2:13pm Oct 5, 2016 1:50pm | Edited 2:13pm
lol all cool ,yea I had a business actually for 10 years prior to now
theres no other way come on
its better to compare putting your life in the hands of a solicitor to get the best deal

Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} @Bones.. Im sure your a nice chap, and I completely respect the integrity and honesty of your view but I hope your not in business. I cant sugar coat my view on this reality... ANYONE WHO CONTRACTS TO BUY SOMETHING WITH A CLOSING IN 2-3 YEARS, WITH NO IDEA OF THE COST, AND WITHOUT AN OPTION TO RECONSIDER THEIR COMMITMENT IS A FOOL. REALLY. And absolutely NO offense intended. Any other businessmen here will agree. And I dont give a **** if its Mrs May (whom I admire) or Crobyn or Jack the Lad thats proposing this course.. its BS.
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  • #442,583
  • Oct 5, 2016 2:00pm Oct 5, 2016 2:00pm
you think you have chosen best solicitor but you don't know what the judge will say on judgement day
your way you have to invoke article 50 go through 2 years complex negotiations then turn round say actually we don't like that much
i.e tell the judge you rung the wrong guy I ask my friends and family they suggest a retrial
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  • #442,584
  • Edited 2:21pm Oct 5, 2016 2:06pm | Edited 2:21pm
Quoting Bones
lol all cool ,yea I had a business actually for 10 years prior to now , theres no other way come on its better to compare putting your life in the hands of a solicitor to get the best deal {quote}
Ive no problem with that..
BUT with the solicitor you have the ultimate opportunity to say NO. As in any commercial negotiation. Theres a heck of a difference between a Letter of Intent, and a Contract.
And in NO WAY was June 23 a CONTRACT. It was a Letter of Intent. with NO LEGAL basis other than advisory. But nevertheless politically binding AS SUCH.
Im not disputing or rowing back on that in any way. Or on invoking Artice 50.

But what you are advocating is that like a person whos suffering from progressive dementia or similar.. that we get to sign a IPA. while they still have moments of lucidity? Sorry. Im not in that situation and neither are my fellow UK citizens.

When I voted I didnt sign a Irrevocable Power of Attorney over to Mrs May or anyone else. Thats not democracy.. thats dictatorship hombre.
And sure a heck neither did the British people.
  • #442,585
  • Oct 5, 2016 2:20pm Oct 5, 2016 2:20pm
thats it you did ,ask a simple question leave or stay ,a deal can not be known could not have been talked about
even now it can not be discussed as the deal can not start happen till 50
promise from government have the referendum
act on referendum ,obviously you vote stay I'm sorry for that but it over now
you wont get another say


Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Ive no problem with that.. BUT with the solicitor you have the ultimate opportunity to say NO. As in any commercial negotiation. Theres a heck of a difference between a Letter of Intent, and a Contract. And in NO WAY was June 23 a CONTRACT. It was a Letter of Intent. with NO LEGAL basis other than advisory. But nevertheless politically binding AS SUCH. Im not disputing or rowing back on that in any way. Or on invoking Artice 50. But what you are advocating is that like a person whos suffering from progressive dementia or similar.. that we...
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  • #442,586
  • Oct 5, 2016 2:27pm Oct 5, 2016 2:27pm
one of us has a logical outlook on this ,theres no route at all for this to be contested ,and political will is with the peoples vote regardless of the deal
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  • #442,587
  • Oct 5, 2016 2:34pm Oct 5, 2016 2:34pm
I would also point out elections will happen over the deal making time ,we have to see what the people really think
this could sway EU change which is the best outcome all round

The British vote has dealt an irreparable blow to the European project, and the shock is hard to exaggerate. Yet if there is one mistake EU leaders should avoid now, it would be to think that the forces at play represent a strictly British phenomenon. Twin dynamics have been brutally exposed: the breakdown of the link connecting British voters to elites and institutions – who all argued for remain – and the rapidly fading connection between citizens across the continent and EU institutions.



https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ll-save-europe
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  • #442,588
  • Oct 5, 2016 2:38pm Oct 5, 2016 2:38pm
Quoting Bones
thats it you did ,ask a simple question leave or stay ,a deal can not be known could not have been talked about even now it can not be discussed as the deal can not start happen till 50 promise from government have the referendum act on referndum ,obviously you vote stay I'm sorry for that but it over now {quote}
Sorry its NOT what I did. I expressed my choice in an advisory plebiscite, the democratic result of which, I expect my government to pursue to the best of its ability, in the name of the people. What I DID NOT do was authorise my government to pursue it without reference to its COST. And as ANY SENSIBLE person would expect I always reserve the right to judge the results when they become apparent and have the right and opportunity to change my mind on the basis that what I was promised in return for my vote has not been delivered.
Im sorry @Bones.. I refuse to surrender my democratic right or opportunity to vote out governments that fail to deliver what they promise, or review courses of action which do not deliver what was promised.
  • #442,589
  • Edited 4:20pm Oct 5, 2016 2:56pm | Edited 4:20pm
you didn't understand a vote outcome would be carried out ,but you can vote conservative out in 4 years
only I would imagine that wont happen either your be minority again

David Cameron promises in/out referendum on EU

  1. 23 January 2013

"It is time for the British people to have their say," he said. "It is time to settle this European question in British politics. I say to the British people: this will be your decision."

there was no detailed promise
its just not possible to forward look what the deal is 2-3 years away
thats why the vote had no detail
theres far too many moving parts within that time frame




Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Sorry its NOT what I did. I expressed my choice in an advisory plebiscite, the democratic result of which, I expect my government to pursue to the best of its ability, in the name of the people. What I DID NOT do was authorise my government to pursue it without reference to its COST. And as ANY SENSIBLE person would expect I always reserve the right to judge the results when they become apparent and have the right and opportunity to change my mind on the basis that what I was promised in return for my vote has not been delivered. Im sorry...
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  • #442,590
  • Oct 5, 2016 4:32pm Oct 5, 2016 4:32pm
Quoting lcast
{quote} Sorry friend, my 4 hour top is at 1.3057 ... ( 29.09.2016 ) ... But that price is only half way up ... Quote:"This is a analisys made in the 4H chart ... dates ( Last-High 2016.09.06 to Today )" ... This Last-High (4 hour) is 1.3444 in my chart ... I belive that your highs may be diferente, brokers must be also ... If you feel more safe, you can cut 5/10 pips in all exit-points ... All the best to you ...
Hi you are right on that one as in the past I have had my charts with my broker and lost out sat the price moved off and also missing targets by pips . So I will keep that in mind as we trade along . Thanks and regards E
  • #442,591
  • Oct 5, 2016 4:39pm Oct 5, 2016 4:39pm
Quoting Bones
you didn't understand a vote outcome would be carried out ,but you can vote conservative out in 4 years only I would imagine that wont happen either your be minority again David Cameron promises in/out referendum on EU 23 January 2013 "It is time for the British people to have their say," he said. "It is time to settle this European question in British politics. I say to the British people: this will be your decision." {quote}

@Bones.. Youre obviously much more political (in the Party political sense) than I am. And apparently ideologically committed.

I replied here to make a point. That nobody but a fool would buy an uncosted contract for delivery in 2 years time without an guaranteed opportunity and option to approve and signoff on the deal when price had been established. You seem to advise that your version of "democracy", allows for no recourse should it turn out that we have all been sold a pup. I dont live in the UK , have dual nationality and have no ideological axe to grind. And if thats the democracy that Britain stands now for Im bloody glad not to live there any more.
So lets just agree to disagree, say no more and get back to trading?
Cheers .
  • #442,592
  • Oct 5, 2016 4:41pm Oct 5, 2016 4:41pm
Quoting lcast
Hi, today I will not bite ... My analisys on the subject ... If price holds on the 1.2745/1.2795 channel (my calculated support-zone), then (and only if price holds without down moves), if trends up in the Hour/4 Hours Timeframe ... buy until 1.2820/1.2850 ... price-levels to watch/exit-points 1.2860, 1.2970, 1.3050 ... Medium Risk ... TP at 1.2860 Medium/High Risk ... TP at 1.2970 High Risk ... TP at 1.3050 If you are long ( with enouth equity to hold-on ), and trying to get out ... use this setup to averaging down avr-price of longs....
If we think we have hit bottom ??? Then we have to fib the 1.50 to the bottom and we get ??? Then we have to fib ext of the same numbers ? What do we get ? Then did the top 2.05 ish to the bottom what do we get ? But then fib ezt 1.50 to this bit bottom what do we get ? I can't post a chart but this would be a charting plan . Regards E
  • #442,593
  • Oct 5, 2016 4:54pm Oct 5, 2016 4:54pm
Quoting elbert3
{quote} If we think we have hit bottom ??? Then we have to fib the 1.50 to the bottom and we get ??? Then we have to fib ext of the same numbers ? What do we get ? Then did the top 2.05 ish to the bottom what do we get ? But then fib ezt 1.50 to this bit bottom what do we get ? I can't post a chart but this would be a charting plan . Regards E
Whats going on with you??? He just try to share ,if you dont like it just ignore
  • #442,594
  • Oct 5, 2016 5:40pm Oct 5, 2016 5:40pm
Quoting hierro-scalp
{quote} Whats going on with you??? He just try to share ,if you dont like it just ignore
Nothing with me your new here I was just imputing my opinion try it out yourself . I don't ridicule other trades . I don't pull traders down . I don't cause trouble ? Unles it's needed .? Read it again with this in view . I also don't ignore .
  • #442,595
  • Oct 5, 2016 5:44pm Oct 5, 2016 5:44pm
Quoting elbert3
{quote} Nothing with me your new here I was just imputing my opinion try it out yourself . I don't ridicule other trades . I don't pull traders down . I don't cause trouble ? Unles it's needed .? Read it again with this in view . I also don't ignore .
So is that hurt you if i,m new ????? Stay calm this just a forum to share ...no need act like the whole day you make red pip LOL
  • #442,596
  • Oct 5, 2016 5:47pm Oct 5, 2016 5:47pm
Quoting hierro-scalp
{quote} So is that hurt you if i,m new ????? Stay calm this just a forum to share ...no need act like the whole day you make red pip LOL
Well your not new then ????? Thank you and good night . Mmmmm
  • #442,597
  • Oct 5, 2016 5:58pm Oct 5, 2016 5:58pm
ok im not political/fundamental normally
If you feel its not democratic to go back to the public then think about the last 40 years where EU developed to its current form
no one voted directly for this in all this time with first chance vote is leave

on another Fundi note id mention
May challenged QE and Carney which would directly affect GBP going forward ,I think Osbourne's mate Carney days are numbered


in her speech, Ms May said: While monetary policy with super-low interest rates and quantitative easing provided the necessary emergency medicine after the financial crash, we have to acknowledge there have been some bad side effects.
People with assets have got richer. People without them have suffered. People with mortgages have found their debts cheaper. People with savings have found themselves poorer.
A change has got to come. And we are going to deliver it.




Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} @Bones.. Youre obviously much more political (in the Party political sense) than I am. And apparently ideologically committed. I replied here to make a point. That nobody but a fool would buy an uncosted contract for delivery in 2 years time without an guaranteed opportunity and option to approve and signoff on the deal when price had been established. You seem to advise that your version of "democracy", allows for no recourse should it turn out that we have all been sold a pup. I dont live in the UK , have dual nationality and have no ideological...
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  • #442,598
  • Oct 5, 2016 6:16pm Oct 5, 2016 6:16pm
isn't it very likely with green data coming through at the very min Carney will reverse the measures taken after Brexit rather than going further
fair warning I been right at every turn so far revolving round Breixt
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  • #442,599
  • Oct 5, 2016 7:02pm Oct 5, 2016 7:02pm
Why did Carney reignite QE. I'm curious
Come with me if you want to live....
  • #442,600
  • Oct 5, 2016 7:23pm Oct 5, 2016 7:23pm
I think he said as a pre emptive measure ,bearing in mind he predicted very bad situ ,
yet numbers then turned green on the devaluation
then he said that was because of his measures
he became part of the remain camp as far as he could go ,so why he didn't go with Osbourne is beyond me other than keep things steady at the time
but here is Super May rising to the challenge saying all the right things,fresh ideas
go figure

Quoting Ill-b-back
Why did Carney reignite QE. I'm curious
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