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  • #3,641
  • Jun 25, 2016 11:28pm Jun 25, 2016 11:28pm
Hi, radityo

I am doing backtest. From time to time, I got a negative profit when all orders are closed. It happens only when there are a lot open orders are closed.
Is that a problem of trailing?

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  • #3,642
  • Jun 26, 2016 8:57pm Jun 26, 2016 8:57pm
Quoting radityo.ardi
{quote} Am gonna ask you once more, are you really sure you are the one creating this EA??? Watch out with what you are saying, buddy. {image} Do you know what is the text in red rectangle means? Nevertheless... holy grail is not a holy grail until we get the proof. At least forwardtest with live account for 6 months straight, I'll be happy to test. But the EA you are sharing is using martingale, no different with mine. You can somehow survive a year (which one guy made it to 1 year with demo: http://www.myfxbook.com/members/Nare...d-anti/1378155),...
wo wo wo no no no

I have no skill to create this, but i can understand it.

You dont have a good EA for trading breakout, that why i bring it to you.
No one wants to be defeated~
  • #3,643
  • Jun 26, 2016 9:19pm Jun 26, 2016 9:19pm
Quoting radityo.ardi
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No one wants to be defeated~
  • #3,644
  • Jun 26, 2016 10:21pm Jun 26, 2016 10:21pm
Quoting Sunnybeach
Hi, radityo Now the system is powerful! But you have one important issue: grid step. It is fixed currently. What is the next? First grid step: Defined by ATR? Grid step increase: by fibonacci retrace figure as increase percent?
ATR is feasible option but I need to find a good ATR logic. I assume the logic will be quite "expensive" on CPU resource as it need to calculate daily candles. But let me see on how I can implement it.

Fibonacci, we need to settle the "type" of Fibo implementation. Whether starts from 100% or 0% is a unique matter actually. Some would prefer start at 0%, some would like to start at 100%.
If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
  • #3,645
  • Jun 26, 2016 10:26pm Jun 26, 2016 10:26pm
Quoting Sunnybeach
Hi, radityo I am doing backtest. From time to time, I got a negative profit when all orders are closed. It happens only when there are a lot open orders are closed. Is that a problem of trailing? {image}
Are you using Profit Trailing?
If you are, there's a possibility your profit closing in slight minus (loss) in actual scenario. In backtest, typically this wouldn't happen as there's no delay when closing orders in backtest.

Profit Trailing will mark your Target Profit as its drag point. Assuming your Target Profit (be it fixed or dynamic) is $10, once nett profit is $10, the EA will set take profit at $0 (first stage). If the profit surged up to $20, then EA will drag the target at $10. Up again to $35? Then EA will drag the target to $25. What if it goes down? Your target will still at $25. If nett profit falls below $25, then all orders will be closed.
If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
  • #3,646
  • Jun 26, 2016 10:42pm Jun 26, 2016 10:42pm
Quoting jonirrenicus
{quote} wo wo wo no no no I have no skill to create this, but i can understand it. You dont have a good EA for trading breakout, that why i bring it to you.
I'm still not convinced. That EA is playing with martingale, not to mention the big DD they spoke about.
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Saw the proof of 1 year testing demo, it was "okay" in one year with 12% result. But 12%? Yours probably good result but no forward test live result. Some people in indo.mt5.com forum tried this a while back, they said after in live account good for 4-6 months, then wiped out. Unless you tell me there's someone publicly saying the result is good in Live account for a year with at least 10% a month result, I would definitely take a look at it.

See the red box? That's martingale, doubling the lot size when something is not as per the expectation.
If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
  • #3,647
  • Jun 27, 2016 12:11am Jun 27, 2016 12:11am
Quoting radityo.ardi
{quote} Are you using Profit Trailing? If you are, there's a possibility your profit closing in slight minus (loss) in actual scenario. In backtest, typically this wouldn't happen as there's no delay when closing orders in backtest. Profit Trailing will mark your Target Profit as its drag point. Assuming your Target Profit (be it fixed or dynamic) is $10, once nett profit is $10, the EA will set take profit at $0 (first stage). If the profit surged up to $20, then EA will drag the target at $10. Up again to $35? Then EA will drag the target to $25....
I got this from backtest. It is limit order.
  • #3,648
  • Jun 27, 2016 12:55am Jun 27, 2016 12:55am
Quoting radityo.ardi
{quote} I'm still not convinced. That EA is playing with martingale, not to mention the big DD they spoke about. {image} Saw the proof of 1 year testing demo, it was "okay" in one year with 12% result. But 12%? Yours probably good result but no forward test live result. Some people in indo.mt5.com forum tried this a while back, they said after in live account good for 4-6 months, then wiped out. Unless you tell me there's someone publicly saying the result is good in Live account for a year with at least 10% a month result, I would definitely take...
It's martingale for sure. The one who blowed up traded not only EUR but others. The draw down is quite small than most similar EAs.

The ATR function i added will fix this problem.

Better to use it on major pairs like E/U G/U A/U U/J U/cad, they have tight spreads and good trend.
No one wants to be defeated~
  • #3,649
  • Jun 27, 2016 2:28pm Jun 27, 2016 2:28pm
be aware this EA system is all about volatility....and you have it (and not only on one pair)...

take advantage of it (not over risk though)


at the moment you get the feeling markets get more "stabilised" pause the EA and get some funds off the table...

bottom line: good greedy moments just dont push it too far
  • #3,650
  • Jun 27, 2016 10:49pm Jun 27, 2016 10:49pm
Just a pre-caution.

I think market will still having a high volatility. My trades are still on until now, with floating loss. Please beware of these things which will happen on the next 2 days.
EU Economic Summit - 28th and 29th June 2016 which will start all day from today till tomorrow. I'll stop all trades for now after my floating loss are closed. I do understand the risk of trading while Brexit effect still remains. Once the current floating trades are closed, I'll keep it closed and call it a month. I'll start again next week for July.
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I'm happy with the results so far: 12.5% or $147 for June.
If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
  • #3,651
  • Jun 28, 2016 6:01am Jun 28, 2016 6:01am
Hi,

did someone tried a setting with hedged grid on the same pair? If yes what was the result and is it possible to get the set file?

thanks
  • #3,652
  • Jun 28, 2016 6:12am Jun 28, 2016 6:12am
Quoting jonirrenicus
{quote} It's martingale for sure. The one who blowed up traded not only EUR but others. The draw down is quite small than most similar EAs. The ATR function i added will fix this problem. Better to use it on major pairs like E/U G/U A/U U/J U/cad, they have tight spreads and good trend.
Then will you do a forwardtest to see how the result is, while I'm also forwardtesting mine?

ATR is definitely a good choice with grid, but that's just a measurement of how volatile a currency is. Plus it's again another spices added to the strategy.
If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
  • #3,653
  • Jun 28, 2016 6:33am Jun 28, 2016 6:33am
Quoting Imperial1
Hi, did someone tried a setting with hedged grid on the same pair? If yes what was the result and is it possible to get the set file? thanks
Which system are you talking about? Isn't my EA a hedged grid on the same pair?
If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
  • #3,654
  • Jun 28, 2016 6:41am Jun 28, 2016 6:41am
well,
the set file I am using making only counter trade grids (buy limit below the start line and sell limit above it) Probably it is another set file for hedged grid trades. If yes where can I find it?
  • #3,655
  • Jun 28, 2016 8:34am Jun 28, 2016 8:34am
Quoting Imperial1
Hi, did someone tried a setting with hedged grid on the same pair? If yes what was the result and is it possible to get the set file? thanks
I got your PM,
I have pushed all code and preset files to codeplex.com. You can download it from http://rdzgridtraps.codeplex.com

Just a reminder, first of all, read through all the thread to get a better understanding of how it work. I'm sure if you love it, it's worth to know all the details.
Secondly, I'm running this EA since the project was started at May 2015. There are a looooot of ups and downs. Account blown many times, high floating loss, it has become one of the routines over here. But it doean't mean we don't have some ups. One of my account succeeded to grow, even from the last big loss. What I want you to understand, there's no holy grail in trading, it's a myth. This EA is not a moneymaking machine, it's just a tool.

If you are really still interested in using this EA (even after you know the risks), please do it on demo. The best demo account to simulate forward testing (so far based on my knowledge) are in Pepperstone and Roboforex. It simulates slippage as well, so you will get almost exact real world scenario.

My expectation is only one, to proof that this EA can sustain for a longer period of time to become stable investment.
Please welcome and enjoy. If you have unanswered questions from this thread, don't hesitate to post here.
If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
  • #3,656
  • Jun 28, 2016 8:45am Jun 28, 2016 8:45am
Quoting Imperial1
well, the set file I am using making only counter trade grids (buy limit below the start line and sell limit above it) Probably it is another set file for hedged grid trades. If yes where can I find it?
Both limit and stop were supposedly to be hedging. But looking at the way it goes, limit is not simply hedging. The only one close to the meaning is only stop strategy.
Set file? I have it on codeplex as I said, started with "GTS_". But bear in mind, stop is easily stuck up in long floating loss, can be days, weeks, even months. That's why I never put it on live account (again). So far limit is the best (to me).
If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
  • #3,657
  • Jun 28, 2016 8:46am Jun 28, 2016 8:46am
Thank You for your fast reply.

I will read much as I can to get this EA know better. As I mentioned I am a strong believer in mathematical approach in trading, but it is not easy to get the right combination of account size, sell grid and buy grid distance and most importantly the proper lot sizing. I think for a retail trader this is the only way to make money in this industry. All indicator based system just does not work. (In my opinion)

Thank again
  • #3,658
  • Jun 28, 2016 8:57am Jun 28, 2016 8:57am
Quoting Imperial1
Thank You for your fast reply. I will read much as I can to get this EA know better. As I mentioned I am a strong believer in mathematical approach in trading, but it is not easy to get the right combination of account size, sell grid and buy grid distance and most importantly the proper lot sizing. I think for a retail trader this is the only way to make money in this industry. All indicator based system just does not work. (In my opinion) Thank again
Both TRUE and FALSE.
Grid still requires a lot of testing and combinations. With my EA, I have just only done test for a few combinations only. Not to mention the risk behind, which now I know we should divide the risk properly (read my previous posts abt this).

Indicator and stuff will not work if we just become the follower of other's strategy. (I feel) that you have to be a fulltime trader to come into that places, and you have to be able to maintain your emotions. These 2 things are too hard for me (that's why I created this EA).

So, do enjoy.
If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
  • #3,659
  • Jun 28, 2016 8:57am Jun 28, 2016 8:57am
Quoting radityo.ardi
{quote} Both limit and stop were supposedly to be hedging. But looking at the way it goes, limit is not simply hedging. The only one close to the meaning is only stop strategy. Set file? I have it on codeplex as I said, started with "GTS_". But bear in mind, stop is easily stuck up in long floating loss, can be days, weeks, even months. That's why I never put it on live account (again). So far limit is the best (to me).
It must be a way to trade safely on a live account, otherwise it is only a toy.
  • #3,660
  • Jun 28, 2016 10:08pm Jun 28, 2016 10:08pm
Quoting Imperial1
{quote} It must be a way to trade safely on a live account, otherwise it is only a toy.
For STOP, I can't find a safe way to trade with it as of now. There were some ideas to improve it, but were dropped. You can see on my trade explorer that I'm still using STOP on Demo. The reason is that I'm not convinced enough to use it.
If you see my demo: http://www.myfxbook.com/members/radi...gtstop/1302323 (you see no monkey business here, I don't want to hide that bad result).
STOP was like a rocket for 6 months, but then too many hedged orders = too many floating loss. When the price retract back to its initial point, margin call, then stop out were performed.
If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
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