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  • #1,581
  • Oct 8, 2015 11:28am Oct 8, 2015 11:28am
Hi, nice thread radityo.ardi.


I'm testing your EA on my live acc. Can you tell me smth about my settings? What's wrong, what's good. I add my Explorer. I test short time but I see now that sth is bad. Big mountains... But I have some kind of profit
0,1 lot is minimum for this broker... Better is Limit EA, Stop EA or mixed?
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  • #1,582
  • Oct 8, 2015 11:32am Oct 8, 2015 11:32am
Quoting radityo.ardi
{quote} RED NEWS! For sure I'll turn it OFF for today, and let's call it a week. 5.6% this month is a lot better (and today is 8th Oct). My target is actually minimum 10% monthly, so next week may reach the target, I'll be more than happy.
Hi Radityo,
to avoid news, is it possible if this EA add feature read schedule Red News and EA will be stop time automatically 2 or 3 hour before news release? thx
  • #1,583
  • Oct 8, 2015 6:40pm Oct 8, 2015 6:40pm
Quoting Offshore
Hi All thanks for the information I have been through the thread but may have missed something if some one can clarify I would appreciate it Is a trending pair preferred or does this work on any 5 digit pair even one that is ranging? is the time frame so important I'm in the southern hemisphere and start trading around the close of USA and open of the kiwi and this seems to work fine so far I will trial for a month and let you know how it goes Cheers
Depends on what is the strategy you use.
If you want to follow GTLIMITEURUSD2 above, the start time of the trading is 17:00 GMT, ends 22:00 GMT. End time practically dynamic, depending whether you still have open order or not.

Quoting Mrdj
Hi, nice thread radityo.ardi. I'm testing your EA on my live acc. Can you tell me smth about my settings? What's wrong, what's good. I add my Explorer. I test short time but I see now that sth is bad. Big mountains... But I have some kind of profit 0,1 lot is minimum for this broker... Better is Limit EA, Stop EA or mixed? {image} {image} P.S. Sorry for english.
I've closed my testing for STOP account. Typically, nothing is better.
But in terms of stability, I think LIMIT is far better than STOP. I've started testing STOP type of grid far before I created this EA, tested with someone else's EA. This EA is the enhancement of it, since the developer never continue the fixes again. My opinion, STOP can be stalled at some point of time. But I believe, that's just a matter of settings.

Have you tried testing on demo first? Try to test it on Demo with the exact same of account type (in terms of leverage, min lot size, lot step, all aspects).

Quoting anzip
{quote} Hi Radityo, to avoid news, is it possible if this EA add feature read schedule Red News and EA will be stop time automatically 2 or 3 hour before news release? thx
From where do I take the source? Is it reliable?
What condition to avoid when there's news ahead (imagine if there's more than 10 red news in a day for this week)?

All of those question will keep bugging me if I implement that one feature. Having too much feature (which this EA already has), will be very difficult to explain one by one to the new comers.
My suggestion is, if there's any other EA / indicator (open source), ask them to set a my EA's global variable to stop the trading.
If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
  • #1,584
  • Oct 8, 2015 7:07pm Oct 8, 2015 7:07pm
Quoting Bullilulli
{quote} Hi. Maybe you can explain, which time setting is correct if you use "BROKER TIME" at Roboforex? TY
It doesn't matter I think?
just configure your datetime settings on your PC/VPS that run your EA to GMT+8 if you don't want to change the set files
  • #1,585
  • Oct 8, 2015 7:11pm Oct 8, 2015 7:11pm
Hi Radityo,

Just for comparison.

mine gain 2.7% from 3 days trading on 2fixed pips spread broker, with bigger lots (0.1) while yours is (0.07), and you gain 3.9%.
this mean floating spread is better...also on the time this EA run the market is slow so the floating spread is expected to be low.

EDIT: I checked roboforex now (10:13 GMT+8) spread for eurusd is 0.9
do you know the average spread on eurusd during the EA run?night-morning (our time) on roboforex?
  • #1,586
  • Oct 8, 2015 7:29pm Oct 8, 2015 7:29pm
Quoting slianto
Hi Radityo, Just for comparison. mine gain 2.7% from 3 days trading on 2fixed pips spread broker, with bigger lots (0.1) while yours is (0.07), and you gain 3.9%. this mean floating spread is better...also on the time this EA run the market is slow so the floating spread is expected to be low. EDIT: I checked roboforex now (10:13 GMT+8) spread for eurusd is 0.9 do you know the average spread on eurusd during the EA run?night-morning (our time) on roboforex?
Wah... never check leh..

What I know, average daily is 1.5.
Pro-Cent = Pro (average 1.5)
Fix-Cent = Fix (2 pips fixed)

That is why I decided to use floating spreads, instead of ECN or Fix spread.
If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
  • #1,587
  • Oct 9, 2015 1:25am Oct 9, 2015 1:25am
Hi Radityo,

What did you mean when you wrote in post number 1584,
"My opinion, STOP can be stalled at some point of time. But I believe, that's just a matter of settings."

Do you mean it can get stuck in a range with an equal amount of buys and sells open?

That is true. I have mine set at 10 order count either side, no recreations. If/when it gets stuck I take the EA off the chart and deal with the open trades manually.
While I am doing that I add the EA to another EU chart (different magic number) and start again.

To me the GTLIMITEURUSD2 set which I start a bit later than you is the one that worries me. It is great and has been banking pips consistently but I am aware that if/when the EU goes on a run without looking back I will have a whole load of accumulated open positions and large drawdown.
I have decided for me that 20 is my limit with no recreations.
  • #1,588
  • Oct 9, 2015 1:54am Oct 9, 2015 1:54am
Quoting normtold
Hi Radityo, What did you mean when you wrote in post number 1584, "My opinion, STOP can be stalled at some point of time. But I believe, that's just a matter of settings." Do you mean it can get stuck in a range with an equal amount of buys and sells open? That is true. I have mine set at 10 order count either side, no recreations. If/when it gets stuck I take the EA off the chart and deal with the open trades manually. While I am doing that I add the EA to another EU chart (different magic number) and start again. To me the GTLIMITEURUSD2 set which...
I thought the same too (at very beginning).

But here's the catch,
GTLIMITEURUSD2 never run when the market is trending. If so (or if you feel that it will trend - normally due to news like last night FOMC statement), avoid it and don't do trade for the day.
It runs during end of New York time, for 5 hours, until early opening of Japan/Australia time.

So far the good result is LIMIT. Not only good, but also reliable. The demo were running for 115 days (almost 4 months), and resulting in 323% in total from start. All of my bro here in this thread understands the struggle from start, until finally I got this one, although it still needs improvements.
The live account (above) was started 63 days ago, yielding +150% in total. It stated 13.5% in FF since I did withdrawals and deposits few times.

Until few weeks back, I feel that STOP doesn't hold very long, at some point of time it will wipe the account off. You can start again, it will wipe your account again. Even my live account was wiped, but LIMIT is quite stable. Well, probably I was too optimistic that running EA almost 24H will give me good result.

20 is acceptable, so far it never touch 15. Once it touches 10 (I think) was because of I didn't stop EA manually when there's high impact news going on during the run of EA. Ya, but so far is OK, just that we need to do some manual stopping if necessary (on high impact news during end of New York times).
If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
  • #1,589
  • Oct 9, 2015 1:56am Oct 9, 2015 1:56am
Anyway, I've created GTLIMITEURUSD3 and GTLIMITEURUSD4 for testing.
This is filled with low money, yet give us a high yield (and also loads of large drawdown, big lots, big take profit, and huge heart attacks )

Just started last night...
If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
  • #1,590
  • Oct 9, 2015 2:01am Oct 9, 2015 2:01am
Quoting radityo.ardi
Anyway, I've created GTLIMITEURUSD3 and GTLIMITEURUSD4 for testing. This is filled with low money, yet give us a high yield (and also loads of large drawdown, big lots, big take profit, and huge heart attacks ) Just started last night...
What version do you use?
  • #1,591
  • Oct 9, 2015 2:06am Oct 9, 2015 2:06am
Quoting kofix11
{quote} What version do you use?
v1.8
hehehe....

anyway, for now there're no much big difference compared to v1.7
If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
  • #1,592
  • Oct 9, 2015 2:12am Oct 9, 2015 2:12am
Quoting radityo.ardi
{quote} v1.8 hehehe.... anyway, for now there're no much big difference compared to v1.7
Where is v1.7 to download?
  • #1,593
  • Oct 9, 2015 2:49am Oct 9, 2015 2:49am
Quoting kofix11
{quote} Where is v1.7 to download?
read the first page please...
If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
  • #1,594
  • Oct 9, 2015 3:04am Oct 9, 2015 3:04am
Hi Radityo,


can consider to have stop cycle when SL had triggered x times.

This to mitigate issue on limit order, when there is trending movement happend unexpected or some other unknown event happening.

So let say i set 3 times max SL triggered, it will stop the cycle even in the time range to send orders. My thinking was let say i have my setup SL to max 10 level opened . Then if this hit, i want the EA stop sending any new order/cycle and close all.
Look for it and you will find it
  • #1,595
  • Oct 9, 2015 3:19am Oct 9, 2015 3:19am
Quoting braveh4rt
Hi Radityo, can consider to have stop cycle when SL had triggered x times. This to mitigate issue on limit order, when there is trending movement happend unexpected or some other unknown event happening. So let say i set 3 times max SL triggered, it will stop the cycle even in the time range to send orders.
My understanding: stop loss is a stop loss, a point where you have accepted that you've lost some amount of money. Not a "test-point" where if it hits 3x then it will close all orders.

Why would stop loss itself is not enough?



Quoting braveh4rt
My thinking was let say i have my setup SL to max 10 level opened . Then if this hit, i want the EA stop sending any new order/cycle and close all.
The logic is already implemented.
You can use Close Type: Threshold (points) or Target Based. Set the Close Threshold to 0 will close all orders on the outer grid. Close Threshold to negative numbers, it means X points outward from the outer grid to outer area. Close Threshold to positive number, it means X points inward from outer grid to inner area.

On top of that, you also have Stop Loss itself, at a certain amount of money. Of course, you need to set the number or multiplier to negative numbers.
If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
  • #1,596
  • Oct 9, 2015 7:15am Oct 9, 2015 7:15am
Quoting radityo.ardi
{quote} My understanding: stop loss is a stop loss, a point where you have accepted that you've lost some amount of money. Not a "test-point" where if it hits 3x then it will close all orders. Why would stop loss itself is not enough? {quote} The logic is already implemented. You can use Close Type: Threshold (points) or Target Based. Set the Close Threshold to 0 will close all orders on the outer grid. Close Threshold to negative numbers, it means X points outward from the outer grid to outer area. Close Threshold to positive number, it means...
You got me wrong, not test the stop loss. i mean hit stop loss. so if 1st stop loss hit, it will recreate cycle, until 3rd stop loss, stop cycle.

it will be counting the stop loss target hit. if 3x closed with SL then stop cycle. it means the PA moves away.

Oh if already in logic i miss the doc then. will noted on this.

And you explanation was if i use close method to close threshold or target. It cannot be done if i chose close target or right in start point.

so if i can have close target or right in start point or in threshold it will works as i expect. I want to still use Limit order, close type right in start point. (many times this happend on limit order) as observerd

Thanks bro
Look for it and you will find it
  • #1,597
  • Oct 9, 2015 7:38am Oct 9, 2015 7:38am
Quoting normtold
I have mine set at 10 order count either side, no recreations. If/when it gets stuck I take the EA off the chart and deal with the open trades manually. While I am doing that I add the EA to another EU chart (different magic number) and start again.
Dear Normtold,

can you please expand how do you manually deal with multiple negative opened trades on the other side of the trend?

Do you average down?
Do you open new trades following the trend and increasing the lot sizes?
And how having EA on another chart helps?
Do you aim for whole basket to get to break even?


What is the technique that works for you?

Thanks for sharing.

Vlado
  • #1,598
  • Oct 9, 2015 7:57am Oct 9, 2015 7:57am
Quoting radityo.ardi
{quote} The logic is already implemented. You can use Close Type: Threshold (points) or Target Based. Set the Close Threshold to 0 will close all orders on the outer grid. Close Threshold to negative numbers, it means X points outward from the outer grid to outer area. Close Threshold to positive number, it means X points inward from outer grid to inner area. On top of that, you also have Stop Loss itself, at a certain amount of money. Of course, you need to set the number or multiplier to negative numbers.
hi radityo,

do u have a pdf manual explaining the settings options available

i din knw we can set positive n negative numbers

a pdf at post#1 or your website would be great for everyone to understand better the ea

anyway just a thought. thanks
  • #1,599
  • Oct 9, 2015 7:59am Oct 9, 2015 7:59am
Radityo,

Apologies if this has already been asked.

You are running live off the Roboforex Cent account is it? With an initial deposit of 100$?

I am running your EURCHF EURGBP and EURUSD set files on EURUSD on three different terminals. The results are quite interesting and the drawdown even more. Unfortunately the forward testing is a mere two weeks or so. Will add them to trade explorer soon.

Zz
  • #1,600
  • Oct 9, 2015 8:18am Oct 9, 2015 8:18am
I set Max cylce true, 3 max cycles...

And it made just one cycle

Why?

And now...

I started again, and press stop next cycle.

It starts recreation, it takes some profit (less than one dollar), closes and never starts again

Does max cyclye have a bug on v 1.6?
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