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  • #861
  • Jul 23, 2015 1:34pm Jul 23, 2015 1:34pm
Thank you for the great explanation.

When you say decreasing the grid, do you mean the gap between the stop limits? Or how far the grid extends?

U currently have 12 sell orders active and 6 buy active, drawdown pretty big as a result. If the price keeps going up, it will equal out large drawdown until it reaches the remaining buy stops, but I don't think the remaining ones will be enough to weigh out the losing sell orders. Does this EA extend the grid in any direction once it reaches the outer edges of the grid? I am a little unsure of how that is handled.
  • #862
  • Jul 24, 2015 12:45am Jul 24, 2015 12:45am
Hi All,
I saw your questions and looked at this thread quite often, but quite busy so can't reply immediately.

Quoting callmejack
Well after test driving it for 3 days, my demo is up by 40%. This is really amazing, but needs lots of risk management. will see how it perform under news release period. thanks radityo.ardi.
Thanks for visiting and trying the EA. That is great news, man!

Quoting sansan9999
Hi, Thank you radityo for this great and free EA (I've already visited "your banners"). * What's the point of using "Dynamic Recreation (All orders)"?? Less risk than "Dynamic Recreation by threshold"? * I'd be great something like a repository of sets... Or at least the best combination of grid / TP / lots. Maybe in post #1??? Bye.
Dynamic Recreation (All orders) is to recreate orders when all orders are opened. Since this EA is maintaining order in the same manner for upper and lower area, and once all orders is executed it is considered as "even", then this scenario will help to get out of that situation by creating additional order on the outer grid.
Safer? I would not say that, it's a trivial situation.

Quoting scali
{quote} Hi, Could you please do a version BUY/SELL inverted so we can test it with pairs with TREND. I think it will be very interesting to see it. Thank you!
It depends on how is the complexity. I may not be able to put all of your ideas into this EA, I have to make it as generic as possible.

Quoting hewtwok
okay now all my mt4 seems acting weird... none of the rdzgridtrap ea version works...all backtest has 0 trades any idea why my mt4 behaving like that?
Did you managed to make it work? Check on the Journal tab of the Strategy Tester. There might be some errors over there.

Quoting PowerTrade
wait =| What does "initial lots" stand for? I have two account (demo), one with 1500$ and the other one with 1100$. One started placing orders with .02 lots, the one with 1100$ started with 0.01 lots. (same settings, initial lots 0.02) Can anyone explain this to me please?
It depends on the Initial Lots Type. If it is Dynamic, then it will calculate based on the balance. If it is fixed, it will take from Initial Lots.
If you set this:
Initial Lots Type: Dynamic, Intial Lots: 0.02, Initial Lots Multiplier: 0.00001 and your balance is $1000. Then The Initial lot size will be calculated as following:
$1000 x 0.00001 = 0.01 lot.
Initial Lots will not be considered since you select as Dynamic.
But the same as above if you change the Initial Lots Type to Fixed, it will pick the lot size from Initial Lots, which is 0.02.

I will put up the same explanation on RdzGridTraps.codeplex.com.

Quoting IgotAplan
first tests on live account (micro) a few lessons learn: - slippage just kills every single strategy that is not EURUSD. not enough liquidity in other pairs. - even in EURUSD tight grids are messup by slippage. i will drop this approach either. - slippage is more important than spread. must look for a broker with less eheheh
That's what I've pointed out earlier in my posts. Slippage really kill this strategy. And I think spread, as long as it can maintain between 0.7 - 2.5 pips (no commission), it should be fine.

Quoting aquasunboy
I used this EA in Demo and run smoothly. But in live account,Sometimes grid's distance is not same as another. And this make some problem for live account. Broker : Ticmill, ECN. {image}
This is slippage issue as pointed above.

Quoting eudopo
{quote} Does this system include reverse martingale strategy ?
Sorry, no.

Quoting callmejack
update. the account is about 140% growth now. i think the key to this ea is you need to adjust your drawdawn effectively while letting your account grow in equity. Yes there will be losing trades but its not about single position, but basket trading. let the ea do the positions while the user adjust risk accordingly.
Try play around with these key things: lot size, grid step, current interval, take profit, and start-stop time.

Quoting cristian23
Hello, Can anyone tell me which is the weak spot of this EA? In which market conditions this fails? Or whatever might affect the performance of it. Thanks a lot. Great job!
Performance
if you do it on your PC, with unstable connection, please don't. Recommendation: use VPS (there are cheap VPS around $5 - $10 / month actually).
Market Conditions
it depends, if you use LIMIT orders, the problem is when trending way too far. While if you use STOP orders, the problem is when sideways.

Quoting moncsicsi78
I think all of these "slippage problems" can be solved by market orders with trying to open until it successes, instead of STOP and LIMIT orders, and . What do you think about reprogramming, radityo.ardi?
No, I won't fix that.
The reason is:
1. If we try again to open until it success (easy to say), what if the price gone far? Your pending order (that is successfully reorder after a few times it didn't succeed) will always be pending order, unless the price retracts back.
2. What about the account with Market Execution? In market execution, when you face the slippage issue, the order is not cancelled, but it will be created anyway with the new price. That's why the grid is not 100% at the same size each other, as pointed by aquasunboy above.

This trivial issue is not resolvable, as if we resolve it, the other issue will come if you implement the same for other broker.

Quoting zolando
Anyone doing this EA live? Please share
Yes, I was doing it. It was on, stopped, on again, and yesterday I was fully stopped it until next week. No particular reason, I just need the money for a while.

Quoting callmejack
mmm.. while playing the ea with different settings, i can't seem to work the stoploss setting correctly. i tried placing a dynamic stop loss based on balance, with a stop loss multiplier of -0.1, the ea just closes all my pending orders after opening them. is this a bug?
Let me check this over the weekend, bro...

Quoting Jared77
i find the ea struggled on sideways trends a little. just had a thought. Could you maybe integrate a indicator which will help the ea when to buy and sell based on a daily or weekly trend. There is a commercial grid Es which uses macd indicator and here is a great video of a guy explaining the grid. I also like his comments on extending grid sizes on continuos long ter, Es trading... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IpRnidr8kgc
Yes, it is indeed.
Integration can be done, but on what basis? How to make 1 EA and 1 indicator communicates each other? Even if I modify to achieve the intergration, the indicator must also be changed from their side.

Quoting slianto
Hi Radityo, how's your live testing doing?seems it's have been started again. nice to see that man! nice gain! what set do you use?same live set as before?
Ya, man.... on..off..on..off again...

Quoting orangbaru
{quote} you absolutely right bro....from Johor where are you from ?? if indonesia,i must talk like SERUMPUN BANGSA
Ahaaaa... macam banyak kalee ni kawan2 dari M'sie. Selamat datang, bro!
Ya, I'm from Indonesia asli, but living in S'pore. d'kat sini lah..

Quoting Sunny7day
new to this thread. I have experience in grid trading before and I know that it will have large drawdown. So what's different does this grid ea have?
No difference. Just that almost all things are highly configurable. So, this EA will act like a tool, not a money making machine. If we have problems in the profit, we just need to tweak the settings a little.

Quoting IgotAplan
No diference. Consistent small profits and huge down draw that will blow the account eventually. But with good money management it's possible to make some money. I like to spread risks and regular withdraws. For exemple, the GTSTOP account is running with 0.22 lots single grid now, but if radityo set 22 different grids setups with 0.01 lots each, the probability that all grids get stuck and blow at the same time is much lower. I know that not the case because it's a demo and he is just testing. If it's a live he could also withdraw some of the profits...
That's what we need to remember!
Your setting that is profitable, not this EA....
If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
  • #863
  • Jul 24, 2015 12:47am Jul 24, 2015 12:47am
I think finally I'm going to use codeplex as the place where I can put the settings.

Plus, it came with rating feature. Only thing is that you need to register to be able to rate and comment.
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  • #864
  • Jul 24, 2015 2:06am Jul 24, 2015 2:06am
@igot a plan, if we all work and test together and do share our experience, we could find a smooth setting in different pairs.
I would like to share two test USD/GBP, settings are the ones in the Version 1.6, except lotsize 0.02 and the second test is stop at euro 2.00. I was not be able to upload the html with the trades file, so the gif should do. Start with 5000 euro, 5min, quality 90%.
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  • #865
  • Jul 24, 2015 6:38am Jul 24, 2015 6:38am
Quoting togerhard
@igot a plan, if we all work and test together and do share our experience, we could find a smooth setting in different pairs. I would like to share two test USD/GBP, settings are the ones in the Version 1.6, except lotsize 0.02 and the second test is stop at euro 2.00. I was not be able to upload the html with the trades file, so the gif should do. Start with 5000 euro, 5min, quality 90%. {image} {image}
Togerhard,
backtesting even with 99% data wont give you accurate results. They can give you an idea if your settings are going in the right direction but thats about it. If you contest this, try running a forward test for a few weeks. Then try running a backtest for the exactly the same time period with same settings. You will see what i mean. You will only get "good" data from forward tests.
That being said, i solute people that published their settings and trade explorers to follow. (with their respective broker of choice)

Best, Josh
  • #866
  • Jul 24, 2015 9:38am Jul 24, 2015 9:38am
I am considering going live with this ea. As some of you mentioned, there is a slippage issue that affects the performance. Can anyone explain me how? Any other recomandations and warnings are welcomed.
Thanks a lot.
  • #867
  • Jul 24, 2015 10:30am Jul 24, 2015 10:30am
Quoting radityo.ardi
I think finally I'm going to use codeplex as the place where I can put the settings. Plus, it came with rating feature. Only thing is that you need to register to be able to rate and comment. {image}
Are you considering the close by threshold feature on the next update? I am running some back tests, foward test on demo accounts, and I am just waiting for this feature for confirmation and to share some nice setups for slower but still pretty good ROI with controlled risks.

Thanks again
  • #868
  • Jul 24, 2015 10:45am Jul 24, 2015 10:45am
Quoting togerhard
@igot a plan, if we all work and test together and do share our experience, we could find a smooth setting in different pairs. I would like to share two test USD/GBP, settings are the ones in the Version 1.6, except lotsize 0.02 and the second test is stop at euro 2.00. I was not be able to upload the html with the trades file, so the gif should do. Start with 5000 euro, 5min, quality 90%. {image} {image}
That's what we need, share our experiences. The problems i found with other pairs is that due their lack of liquidity, on Live account the slippage is bigger and more often than EURUSD, and with slippage your grid setups become messy and you can get in trouble.

From my Live experience with this EA, we need very very liquid pair with wide grid. That's what i am testing now.
The principle is that if you have a 50 points grid and the price slips 25 ~ 30 points, your grid is more than 50% wrong on that section.
If you have a 150points grid and price slips the same 25 ~ 30 points, ou are less than 20% off.
And price slips on spikes so when you have 50 points grid, on a spike you can have 3 or more levels with slippage, but if you have the 150points grid you will have one (most of times), can be more if the spike is to big, but it would be a lot more with tighter grid on the same spike.
  • #869
  • Jul 24, 2015 7:05pm Jul 24, 2015 7:05pm
Hi Radit,
how much maximal order will be open with v1.6, because i was foward test v1.5 with demo account, and EA max open buy is 30 order and sell 30 order too. than i got floating minus because EA no order again, even the price continue and leave last my order. how to input seting for maximal order can we plan? thx

so sorry, my english to bad.
  • #870
  • Jul 24, 2015 8:36pm Jul 24, 2015 8:36pm
by the way, i was resgitered in codeplex, but i dont get email confirmation till now. cant login to rate. will wait for email confirmation first.
  • #871
  • Jul 25, 2015 2:03am Jul 25, 2015 2:03am
Quoting anzip
by the way, i was resgitered in codeplex, but i dont get email confirmation till now. cant login to rate. will wait for email confirmation first.
Their response is quite slow. Probably because codeplex.com is maintained by vendor, not microsoft (as far as I know).
If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
  • #872
  • Jul 25, 2015 2:06am Jul 25, 2015 2:06am
Quoting anzip
Hi Radit, how much maximal order will be open with v1.6, because i was foward test v1.5 with demo account, and EA max open buy is 30 order and sell 30 order too. than i got floating minus because EA no order again, even the price continue and leave last my order. how to input seting for maximal order can we plan? thx so sorry, my english to bad.
Can't really remember, but I think I've provided the feature to limit the count of orders created by the EA. If you set the number (max orders) to 0, or set Enable Max Order count limiter to false, it will allow the EA to open unlimited orders if you use any recreation Open Type.
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  • #873
  • Jul 25, 2015 2:07am Jul 25, 2015 2:07am
Quoting IgotAplan
{quote} Are you considering the close by threshold feature on the next update? I am running some back tests, foward test on demo accounts, and I am just waiting for this feature for confirmation and to share some nice setups for slower but still pretty good ROI with controlled risks. Thanks again
Yes, I'm doing it right now.
If you ask me to code/fix your EA... it's probably not for free...
  • #874
  • Jul 25, 2015 4:06am Jul 25, 2015 4:06am
radityo, help me please to choose what setup option Close Inside Out or Outside In might be best for my account setup.
Last week I started tests using Limited Orders only, ranging pairs on 6 demo accounts. ECN accounts, spread 0,4-1,5. All my initial equities 1000. I choose equity the number as planned on my real account. Grid 90-100, 0.05 fixed lots per pair, fixed target proft 2,5, regreation method, running simultaneusly 3 ranging pairs with correlation in order to minimize account DD. Results are very promissing, still searching good combinations and settings. Pairs: USDCAD, AUDUSD,NZDUSD,AUDNZD AUDCAD.... My stradegy hates trend so I avoid trendy pair like EURUSD, limited use GBPUSD EURCHF USDCHF... To early to publish best settings but soon after a week or 2.
  • #875
  • Jul 25, 2015 4:07am Jul 25, 2015 4:07am
Hi
I cant find where to download the EA. Tought it got pull off the thread.
I would be appreciated if any one got a copy of mq4 file

thanks
Holy grail, pls pm
  • #876
  • Jul 25, 2015 4:32am Jul 25, 2015 4:32am
Quoting andres11617
radityo, help me please to choose what setup option Close Inside Out or Outside In might be best for my account setup. Last week I started tests using Limited Orders only, ranging pairs on 6 demo accounts. ECN accounts, spread 0,4-1,5. All my initial equities 1000. I choose equity the number as planned on my real account. Grid 90-100, 0.05 fixed lots per pair, fixed target proft 2,5, regreation method, running simultaneusly 3 ranging pairs with correlation in order to minimize account DD. Results are very promissing, still searching good combinations...
To me, both having no differences actually. But with low latency broker, I think Inside Out would be better, as it will close the inner order of the grid first, then stepping outside.
Yes, please publish the setting if you feel comfortable, so I can also analyze, then publish in codeplex. I may have to try it as well...
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  • #877
  • Jul 25, 2015 4:33am Jul 25, 2015 4:33am
Quoting iamgotzaa
Hi I cant find where to download the EA. Tought it got pull off the thread. I would be appreciated if any one got a copy of mq4 file thanks
Please read on the first thread. It is posted under rdzgridtraps.codeplex.com
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  • #878
  • Jul 25, 2015 4:34am Jul 25, 2015 4:34am
Hi Radityo Ardi
1. Is it possible to set the EA from the setfiles (i use GTSTOP) to activated only at a certain time?
Yesterday i tried to change the "Start Time" into 14:59:59 local time half an hour before London session (my local time is Central Indonesia Time),
but after i click "Keep Going" button, its starting to create pending orders right away, way before 14:59:59.
2. When the price is sideways, why the EA fails to recreate pending orders if the price reach inner yellow dash line? am i missing something? I use the default setup from GTSTOP setfile (Dynamic Recreation by Threshold).
3. If we want to double the profit, is that we have to change both of "initial Lots Multiplier" and "Target profit Multiplier"? or just one of them?

Thanx in advance. great work buddy
Greeting from Bali

ps. i'm still testing on tickmill classic demo 1:500
  • #879
  • Jul 25, 2015 4:52am Jul 25, 2015 4:52am
Quoting dearest
Hi Radityo Ardi 1. Is it possible to set the EA from the setfiles (i use GTSTOP) to activated only at a certain time? Yesterday i tried to change the "Start Time" into 14:59:59 local time half an hour before London session (my local time is Central Indonesia Time), but after i click "Keep Going" button, its starting to create pending orders right away, way before 14:59:59. 2. When the price is sideways, why the EA fails to recreate pending orders if the price reach inner yellow dash line? am i missing something? I use the default setup from GTSTOP...
Hi dearest from Bali...
1. Yes, you can. But consider this factor if you use local time. Sometimes we forgot to check Regional Settings in our local PC to be set correctly. You are from Bali, your time is in WITA (Indonesian central time), just make sure your local PC set to equivalent time to UTC+8 (this is same like Singapore Time / SGT). Then I guess, you don't need to change anything. Once you made sure Date and Time setting in PC are OK, then it should not have any problem and should not create orders before time.

2. Since you've started the EA, probably you accidentally click to change the Timeframe, or open EA properties then click OK, or closed the MetaTrader accidentally. This issue is in progress to fix. Let me know if this is not the case.

3. "double the profit" means you double the profit only (target profit multiplier). But must understand that to reach the profit is quite time consuming and could probably turn your account stucked into a endless cycle. So raising "initial lots multiplier" is considered a proper way, but the drawback is same as raising the risk proportionally.
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  • #880
  • Jul 25, 2015 7:48am Jul 25, 2015 7:48am
hi radityo

"Did you managed to make it work? Check on the Journal tab of the Strategy Tester. There might be some errors over there."

well, there's a third purple button on left side, not sure what is called, isit "Start Manually".

i pressed that and the EA draw the new grids.

will see how it goes from here. thanks.
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