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  • #976,301
  • Apr 1, 2015 5:46pm Apr 1, 2015 5:46pm
Quoting guzda
{quote} So, now go and find by producers not where finished, so you will se some other numbers. Example PSA group (Citroen, Peugeot, DS) more than a half of it's sold cars produce in China, but the parts are coming from all over the world. The most important are coming from France, while interior is produced in Croatia, and only some metal exterior parts and assembly is done in China, and again all profit goes back to EU, so euro demand still exists. I will not mention VW(last year only in Brazil almost 1 million cars)(audi, skoda, seat, bentley-GBP,...
what makes u think thats not already included?
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #976,302
  • Apr 1, 2015 5:49pm Apr 1, 2015 5:49pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} what makes u think thats not already included?
Because only VW group in 2013 sold almost 10 million vehicles and here complete Germany is 5,5 millions.
  • #976,303
  • Apr 1, 2015 5:50pm Apr 1, 2015 5:50pm
Quoting guzda
...Euro value is dropping, shares still keep some gains US fundamentals are not good as optimism surveys were showing Inemminent reaction is selling EU shares, sell euro buy commodities - gold is the best Get rid of USD - buy commodities - gold is the best again.
That's offensive!

Geeze. Pffft.

Thanks for harshing my mellow, guy...gurl...whatevs.
  • #976,304
  • Apr 1, 2015 5:54pm Apr 1, 2015 5:54pm
Quoting kenfen69
{quote} That's offensive! Geeze. Pffft. Thanks for harshing my mellow, guy...gurl...whatevs.
You're welcome, anytime.
  • #976,305
  • Apr 1, 2015 5:54pm Apr 1, 2015 5:54pm
Quoting sisse
{quote} Sorry mate i think you are a bit confused to say the least...

... sisse
Probably the quickest post of sisse's I've ever skimmed through.

What a waste of a fantastic brain.
  • #976,306
  • Apr 1, 2015 5:54pm Apr 1, 2015 5:54pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} sorry.. include the french and italian and its about 20%, germans roughly 15%.. japan and the u.s is above germany, if incorrect, i apologize http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...cle_production {image}
it's by country, it doesn't tell you about foreign investments...the reality is France alone is 9% of world product...at least 10M, but they do only 1.7M in France...all is producted in foreign countries...no jobs in France anymore it's a deindustrialised country
so he can be true...
DONT ASK ME QUESTION, BUT U CAN BAN ME I DONT CARE!
  • #976,307
  • Apr 1, 2015 5:55pm Apr 1, 2015 5:55pm
Quoting guzda
{quote} Sorry...your data is outdated. So, now go and find by producers not where finished, so you will se some other numbers. Example PSA group (Citroen, Peugeot, DS) more than a half of it's sold cars produce in China, but the parts are coming from all over the world. The most important are coming from France, while interior is produced in Croatia, and only some metal exterior parts and assembly is done in China, and again all profit goes back to EU, so euro demand still exists. I will not mention VW(last year only in Brazil almost 1 million cars)(audi,...
outdated? where is yours. and dont show units because bmw includes motorcycles and crated motors as a unit.
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #976,308
  • Apr 1, 2015 6:00pm Apr 1, 2015 6:00pm
Quoting TheNoob
{quote} it's by country, it doesn't tell you about foreign investments...the reality is France alone is 9% of world product...at least 10M, but they do only 1.7M in France...all is producted in foreign countries...no jobs in France anymore it's a deindustrialised country so he can be true...
the posted list gives france 1.7m, not 10m
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #976,309
  • Apr 1, 2015 6:02pm Apr 1, 2015 6:02pm
Quoting USD-Bear
{quote} sorry don't see your reasoning at all,
ah see sisse helped already, study it....
Tough not to bite.

Hate to see you having a chew, Bear.

Nearly the epitome of a troll. Mad skillz, yer man seems to have.

No response needed. Just hate seeing Love-intelligence complicated.

Stay beautiful...sisse too.
  • #976,310
  • Apr 1, 2015 6:14pm Apr 1, 2015 6:14pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} outdated? where is yours. and dont show units because bmw includes motorcycles and crated motors as a unit.
I wish I can find beautiful graphic now I saw the other day, as soon as I find I will give you evidence.
Until then you can try to trust me or not. However I just mentioned it by the way as Europe is world known as best luxury and exotic car producer. But if I missed it for a few percent be sure that revenue is more than a half, as european cars are at least 10-15% more expensive than Japanese, 25% than Korean, and 40% than American.
What the key point was is that low euro is a good thing for EU and lower it is, the better export and fundamentals will be.
  • #976,311
  • Apr 1, 2015 6:31pm Apr 1, 2015 6:31pm
Quoting guzda
{quote} I wish I can find beautiful graphic now I saw the other day, as soon as I find I will give you evidence. Until then you can try to trust me or not. However I just mentioned it by the way as Europe is world known as best luxury and exotic car producer. But if I missed it for a few percent be sure that revenue is more than a half, as european cars are at least 10-15% more expensive than Japanese, 25% than Korean, and 40% than American. What the key point was is that low euro is a good thing for EU and lower it is, the better export and fundamentals...
that's all well, no need to curve fit anything with ones bias. here is something u should know.. wherever that car is produced or assembled, it counts toward that country's gdp. if a German company building cars in the u.s.. Germany and the u.s get credit.. Germany in its GNP, and the U.S. towards GDP.. the GDP one is better for the reason it employ's people off foreign investment.. bmw can build an entire car out of Germany, and it can look like its helping Germany..the reality is its helping the individual company, and not necessarily the country (Germany), or its workers.
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #976,312
  • Apr 1, 2015 6:34pm Apr 1, 2015 6:34pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} that's all well, no need to curve fit anything with ones bias. here is something u should know.. wherever that car is produced or assembled, it counts toward that country's gdp. if a German company building cars in the u.s.. Germany and the u.s get credit.. Germany in its GNP, and the U.S. towards GDP.. the GDP one is better for the reason it employ's people off foreign investment.. bmw can build an entire car out of Germany, and it can look like its helping Germany..the reality is its helping the individual company, and not necessarily...
Of corse it is like you said, but as I remember I said that many high tech hard to produce and important parts are still made in Europe.
BTW 500.000 Police challenger engines are BMW
  • #976,313
  • Apr 1, 2015 6:40pm Apr 1, 2015 6:40pm
Quoting guzda
{quote} Of corse it is like you said, but as I remember I said that many high tech hard to produce and important parts are still made in Europe. BTW 500.000 Police challenger engines are BMW
this is the first time u said this, correct?
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #976,314
  • Apr 1, 2015 6:42pm Apr 1, 2015 6:42pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} that's all well, no need to curve fit anything with ones bias. here is something u should know.. wherever that car is produced or assembled, it counts toward that country's gdp. if a German company building cars in the u.s.. Germany and the u.s get credit.. Germany in its GNP, and the U.S. towards GDP.. the GDP one is better for the reason it employ's people off foreign investment.. bmw can build an entire car out of Germany, and it can look like its helping Germany..the reality is its helping the individual company, and not necessarily...
am I crazy, or did BMW just move parts of its production to the US because of energy prizes? That's a dream I had, isn't it?

btw... this week the Germans are presented with a law enabling firms to employ hydraulic fracturing to produce nat. gas and ruin the water supplies. I think, mid-term many rats will leave that ship.
  • #976,315
  • Apr 1, 2015 6:44pm Apr 1, 2015 6:44pm
Quoting Mr Hatch
{quote} am I crazy, or did BMW just move parts of its production to the US because of energy prizes? That's a dream I had, isn't it? btw... this week the Germans are presented with a law enabling firms to employ hydraulic fracturing to produce nat. gas and ruin the water supplies. I think, mid-term many rats will leave that ship.
Germany with ng would be a bad mofu.. if they did that 75 years ago the world may be a different place.. sc has the largest plant,, its not at 100% Mercedes has a big azz one in bama.. the building looks better then a mile wide..4,00,000 sq ft.. http://www.mbusi.com/about-us/info-aboutus.. just 182,000 vehicles exported to 135 countries .. with lots of expansion room
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #976,316
  • Apr 1, 2015 6:45pm Apr 1, 2015 6:45pm
Quoting gatorinla
this is the first time u said this, correct?
Quoting guzda
Sorry...your data is outdated. So, now go and find by producers not where finished, so you will se some other numbers. Example PSA group (Citroen, Peugeot, DS) more than a half of it's sold cars produce in China, but the parts are coming from all over the world. The most important are coming from France, while interior is produced in Croatia, and only some metal exterior parts and assembly is done in China, and again all profit goes back to EU, so euro demand still exists. I will not mention...
no
  • #976,317
  • Apr 1, 2015 6:50pm Apr 1, 2015 6:50pm
Quoting Mr Hatch
am I crazy, or did BMW just move parts of its production to the US because of energy prizes? That's a dream I had, isn't it? btw... this week the Germans are presented with a law enabling firms to employ hydraulic fracturing to produce nat. gas and ruin the water supplies. I think, mid-term many rats will leave that ship.
US has one of the lowest energy costs in the developed world, so it is logical to move production of high energy consumption parts such as steel and exterior parts. Not only save energy costs but also save transport costs.
But it is still so tiny part of production that can affect maybe one percent of BMW costs.
  • #976,318
  • Apr 1, 2015 6:59pm Apr 1, 2015 6:59pm
Quoting guzda
{quote} {quote} no
that "high tech" wording got me. i didnt see it the first time. the second time has me thinking u were curve fitting it.
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #976,319
  • Apr 1, 2015 7:01pm Apr 1, 2015 7:01pm
Quoting guzda
{quote} US has one of the lowest energy costs in the developed world, so it is logical to move production of high energy consumption parts such as steel and exterior parts. Not only save energy costs but also save transport costs. But it is still so tiny part of production that can affect maybe one percent of BMW costs.
sorry the bull shit alarm went off..
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #976,320
  • Apr 1, 2015 7:02pm Apr 1, 2015 7:02pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} that "high tech" wording got me. i didnt see it the first time. the second time has me thinking u were curve fitting it.
It does not matter. I hope we understood each other.
But you did not say your opinion on my trend reversal statement and commodities.
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