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  • #946,501
  • Dec 26, 2014 1:45pm Dec 26, 2014 1:45pm
Quoting gatorinla
no one not even china is immune to the rule of 76.. or the jack ass rule "a fast shitting mule, doesn't shit long"
hahahha
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  • #946,502
  • Dec 26, 2014 1:47pm Dec 26, 2014 1:47pm
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  • #946,503
  • Dec 26, 2014 1:47pm Dec 26, 2014 1:47pm
Quoting janpec1000
{quote} Gold is not USA advantage its IMF advantage only im my opinion. There is no proof at all that USA has any gold. If FED had it it would still be 0 proff at all becouse FED is NOT USA instituation by law. So it is just private holding if it is there. Citizens of USA have no backing of their holdings by gold either its pensions or current money at all. When FED does fully creditable check of holdings i will withdraw this comment, until that it keeps legit. Agree Russia was backed by oil and so it was many other Bricks countries. But...
anyone else showing proof of the worthless metal? and why would they?
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  • #946,504
  • Dec 26, 2014 1:47pm Dec 26, 2014 1:47pm
Quoting janpec1000
{quote} Gold is not USA advantage its IMF advantage only im my opinion. There is no proof at all that USA has any gold. If FED had it it would still be 0 proff at all becouse FED is NOT USA instituation by law. So it is just private holding if it is there. Citizens of USA have no backing of their holdings by gold either its pensions or current money at all. When FED does fully creditable check of holdings i will withdraw this comment, until that it keeps legit. Agree Russia was backed by oil and so it was many other Bricks countries. But...
well them not showing evidence doesnt mean they dont have gold....
let the conspiracy theory begin.
Fort Knox, and why Gold is traded in Dollar and not other currencies if US doesnt hold gold hmmm??

Heres another thing.... who dominates the IMF i wonder?
and actually THX god the US dollar is not backed by gold.... the way gold has collapsed... sheesh i wouldnt like to hold gold.... has no fundamental value....
gold you pull out of the ground stays a bar of gold forever.... so supply of gold is infinite because gold will still be around when everybody in the world dies.....
so why is there a price in gold, its all a gimmick,
only commodity i consider truly legit is something exhaustible.... Oil, Gas, Water, Wheat.
Gold, and other metals they dont exhaust.....so technically speaking the value of a piece of gold bar is only worth as much as the cost is is produced.... otherwise fundamentally no value. and it doesnt create value.

do not be too sure with your statements.
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  • #946,505
  • Dec 26, 2014 1:50pm Dec 26, 2014 1:50pm
Quoting fxtyrant
{quote} actually smart russians and saudi actually simply buy shit loads of apartments in London instead of building a copy, they then earn money by renting these luxurious London apartments out at extortion prices...... heard of scotland yard? the famous police station in London, some arab family bought the place out, knocked down the place to build a luxury apartment building... so Ruble collapse didnt hurt the rich russians much..... only the poor and middle class russians who are in support of putin.... rich russians didnt want putin in government,...
But Russians and Arabs got rich because of natural resources, mostly. Eventually they won't have any...so their wealth is temporary. The only wealth that stays is the one based on intelligence and creativity, thats why many asian countries(not just China) invest a lot into education. People won't get rich from oil and gas until forever.

And thats where the western world makes a mistake...by making quality education only available for the rich or higher middle class. It should be government's priority #1 to offer top notch education for everyone...then nobody can complain that they didn't get an equal chance in life. But the real question is...if the governments really wants smart voters.
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  • #946,506
  • Dec 26, 2014 1:51pm Dec 26, 2014 1:51pm
Quoting fxtyrant
{quote} actually smart russians and saudi actually simply buy shit loads of apartments in London instead of building a copy, they then earn money by renting these luxurious London apartments out at extortion prices...... heard of scotland yard? the famous police station in London, some arab family bought the place out, knocked down the place to build a luxury apartment building... so Ruble collapse didnt hurt the rich russians much..... only the poor and middle class russians who are in support of putin.... rich russians didnt want putin in government,...
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Aw. Dont do that. Dont assume. That is way over what really happened. Rich russians are 50-50, same what to happend to Ukraine. They decide when things go really berserk. Medvedev isnt typical 5th collumn guy. Power of people didnt YET put Putin back. That is still up to be played. Putin will execute his "cistka" plan in my view soon, but its not there yet, and rich guys will follow that. Anyone who wont, is emidently on wrong side. Russia is not yet Ukraine, but it will be there soon. Only then judge things that will happen.
  • #946,507
  • Dec 26, 2014 1:52pm Dec 26, 2014 1:52pm
Quoting OnlineAddict
{quote} But Russians and Arabs got rich because of natural resources, mostly. Eventually they won't have any...so their wealth is temporary. The only wealth that stays is the one based on intelligence and creativity, thats why many asian countries(not just China) invest a lot into education. People won't get rich from oil and gas until forever.
True but are you sure china is spending to improve education within china?? or actually chinese spending to send intellectual kids abroad to study??
be careful.
Trend is large amount of rich are paying for education abroad rather than have their kids study in China. theres too large or a competition to study inside china.
btw, you dont want an equal chance in life.
if everybody has an equal chance in life then every body can turn out to be equally classed..... i dont see that happening.... or maybe i got too much blue capitalism blood in me...
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  • #946,508
  • Edited 2:38pm Dec 26, 2014 1:56pm | Edited 2:38pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} and he will start more shit in Libya .. its not unexpected. children do stuff like that.
I don't know who Stewrigh is, because now I can't even find his profile although he made a post about ten minutes ago. (UPD. The profile found now, but the post is deleted).
But that "news" is a total BS - it's from Jan, 2009 (check here if someone wants).

Wishful thinking, or propaganda on "nonpolitical" forum?
I am amazed how easy to fool the people even with so serious information.

Happy New Year!

Best regards,
Artem
Let's go with the flow
  • #946,509
  • Dec 26, 2014 1:56pm Dec 26, 2014 1:56pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} anyone else showing proof of the worthless metal? and why would they?
You are trying to dissaprove 3 times over. All i tried is to dissaprove once against first statement. If USA has gold, prove it. If it has, i back of. It has not prove that. Until that happens my thesis stays, and anything else i dont care, becouse its just loading pile of shit on top of hot shit.
  • #946,510
  • Dec 26, 2014 2:00pm Dec 26, 2014 2:00pm
Quoting artem_t
{quote} I don't know who Stewrigh is, because now I can't even find his profile although he made a post about ten minutes ago. But that "news" is a total BS - it's from Jan, 2009 (check here if someone wants). Wishful thinking, or propaganda on "nonpolitical" forum? I am amazed how easy to fool the people even with so serious...
tin foil.. anti u.s. kinda guy.. no doubt on some 'no fly tracking list" with the extremist sights he quotes.
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  • #946,511
  • Dec 26, 2014 2:03pm Dec 26, 2014 2:03pm
Quoting fxtyrant
if everybody has an equal chance in life then every body can turn out to be equally classed..... i dont see that happening.... or maybe i got too much blue capitalism blood in me...
I don't think so...no matter what you offer to most people, they won't take the chance. There are many countries in Europe with high quality FREE education and it still doesn't make much difference, because the lazy ones will stay lazy, no matter what. Just like most fat people will always stay fat, because they simply don't give a damn or don't have enough willpower. But when it comes to education, the few who have the brain and the will, with the right opportunity, they can make a difference later. China wasn't a good example of education, but countries like Malaysia, Singapor or Japan are. Everything the japanese achieved after WW2 was because of education, all the technology that at some point ruled the world.
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  • #946,512
  • Dec 26, 2014 2:03pm Dec 26, 2014 2:03pm
Quoting janpec1000
{quote} You are trying to dissaprove 3 times over. All i tried is to dissaprove once against first statement. If USA has gold, prove it. If it has, i back of. It has not prove that. Until that happens my thesis stays, and anything else i dont care, becouse its just loading pile of shit on top of hot shit.
then it should be equal.. all should have to prove it. after all , we already know all the facts the Russians and Chinese governments are above board.
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  • #946,513
  • Dec 26, 2014 2:04pm Dec 26, 2014 2:04pm
Quoting fxtyrant
{quote} well them not showing evidence doesnt mean they dont have gold.... let the conspiracy theory begin. Fort Knox, and why Gold is traded in Dollar and not other currencies if US doesnt hold gold hmmm?? Heres another thing.... who dominates the IMF i wonder? and actually THX god the US dollar is not backed by gold.... the way gold has collapsed... sheesh i wouldnt like to hold gold.... has no fundamental value.... gold you pull out of the ground stays a bar of gold forever.... so supply of gold is infinite because gold will still be around...
Becouse gold that you pull out of ground is same that Oil you pull oout of ground. It costs money, it costs buying power to hire people, to buy consturction.
Thats what gives gold longer buying power even if money reprices itself. Think about semi-diversion ecnomonics. When things stagnate or go backwards economics go same way, which means that gold or similar things replace oil in first place due to simple supply and demand of economics from population.
  • #946,514
  • Dec 26, 2014 2:04pm Dec 26, 2014 2:04pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} and he will start more shit in Libya .. its not unexpected. children do stuff like that.
Putin and Lavrov are the only adults in the room.
  • #946,515
  • Dec 26, 2014 2:05pm Dec 26, 2014 2:05pm
Quoting OnlineAddict
{quote} But Russians and Arabs got rich because of natural resources, mostly. Eventually they won't have any...so their wealth is temporary.
I agree, but remember - everything in this world is temporary.
Russians didn't get rich - just a small percentage of.

Are you from USA? If yes than I am sure you know much better than me how USA got rich. And the crash of US Dollar is just the matter of time.

Cheers,

Artem
Let's go with the flow
  • #946,516
  • Dec 26, 2014 2:05pm Dec 26, 2014 2:05pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} then it should be equal.. all should have to prove it. after all , we already know all the facts the Russians and Chinese governments are above board.
The fact is, nothing is true until really proven. Until then we can only speculate.
  • #946,517
  • Dec 26, 2014 2:08pm Dec 26, 2014 2:08pm
Quoting artem_t
{quote} I agree, but remember - everything in this world is temporary. Russians didn't get rich - just a small percentage of. Are you from USA? If yes than I am sure you know much better than me how USA got rich. And the crash of US Dollar is just the matter of time. Cheers, Artem
I am originally from Europe, but since I got sick of it, I am travelling the world and living everywhere for a while...still looking for the place with the most pros and least cons...which will take me a lifetime, I guess.
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  • #946,518
  • Dec 26, 2014 2:08pm Dec 26, 2014 2:08pm
Quoting janpec1000
{quote} The fact is, nothing is true until really proven. Until then we can only speculate.
the reality is , it cant be proved to u. they are not inviting u to count it. so u can believe it or not.
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  • #946,519
  • Dec 26, 2014 2:10pm Dec 26, 2014 2:10pm
Quoting artem_t
{quote} I agree, but remember - everything in this world is temporary. Russians didn't get rich - just a small percentage of.
Of course, same goes for most countries with natural resources...its not like everyone there is rich, its always just the few...who know the right people and are at the right place at the right time.
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  • #946,520
  • Dec 26, 2014 2:12pm Dec 26, 2014 2:12pm
Quoting janpec1000
{quote} Becouse gold that you pull out of ground is same that Oil you pull oout of ground. It costs money, it costs buying power to hire people, to buy consturction. Thats what gives gold longer buying power even if money reprices itself. Think about semi-diversion ecnomonics. When things stagnate or go backwards economics go same way, which means that gold or similar things replace oil in first place due to simple supply and demand of economics from population.
you do know that Tulips also needed manpower and time to grow right?
in fact relate gold and tulips... they are both very relative
gold to me is the modern day tulip. using gold to hold value is just as dangerous as using a bulb of tulip to hold value.
eventually it collapses because theres no value created.
one day gold suppliers will give up producing gold.
also.... whats stopping the world to make Platinum as the metal to back currency with? nothing really....
gold's value can disappear one day when somebody decides to back their currency in say Platinum, or better yet.... virtual currency....
if virtual currency took off... there would've have been any need for gold.

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