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  • #918,881
  • Aug 23, 2014 9:11am Aug 23, 2014 9:11am
Quoting JustAndy
{quote} If I'm not wrong more than 60% of the cars in Brazil run on ethanol from sugar cane. The problem with ethanol is that just a small number of countries have the climate and the available land for growing and processing sugar cane into ethanol at such a scale. As for the hydrogen, there are two approaches: one that uses the more conventional method of burning it into an internal combustion engine and the second one uses H2 O2 fuel cell that splits the H into 2 protons and 2 electrons generating electricity that is used to power on board electric...
if you make it as you go,, no need to store it
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  • #918,882
  • Aug 23, 2014 10:01am Aug 23, 2014 10:01am
Quoting Velites
{quote} You're right, however Mr kiwi's argument is that you can pick up H2O molecules, convert it into two separate diatomic gasses and ignite them separately (Which you can't for H2) or maybe as you mention, turn it into water again by burning the hydrogen with oxygen in which case you lose energy.
a hydro generator is simple enough to make.. read all the studies you want.. one can be used with a simple carburetor. just funnel the gas to it.. and have it only making hydrogen when the motor is turning. this way you dont have to store it. if the motor is not turning, no gas needs to be made. the faster the motor turns, the more electricity from a simple generator produces more dc power. in turn more hydrogen atoms are separated from the oxygen, and pulled into the carburetor. they complement each other in ignition process... in this one, a different fuel is used to crank the engine to start the process along with a battery to start that process. fuel can be whatever, the hydrogen can just be a supplement, of a low amount up to a high % depending on how advanced the system is. a hy-gen made in the back yard may need better materials/design since heat may become a issue.. but one could just use less conductive (dirty) water if heat is a problem and make more cells.. or the opposite with better materials a single one pulling 50 amps will give a person far less petro stops.. this is just a supplement, added to a motor already running.

this takes away the need to store hydrogen like the space shuttle did its hydrogen. you make what you need as you go.
the sugar cane is not the only plant that produces sugar in high volume.. for those in a colder climate sugarbeets may help.

most articles you will read will be negative on many other sources of energy. if you figure out who controls what is in the articles you will get a more clear picture.

ps dont try this w/o a arrester, i almost blew my leg off..
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  • #918,883
  • Aug 23, 2014 10:05am Aug 23, 2014 10:05am
Quoting JustAndy
{quote} If I'm not wrong more than 60% of the cars in Brazil run on ethanol from sugar cane. The problem with ethanol is that just a small number of countries have the climate and the available land for growing and processing sugar cane into ethanol at such a scale. As for the hydrogen, there are two approaches: one that uses the more conventional method of burning it into an internal combustion engine and the second one uses H2 O2 fuel cell that splits the H into 2 protons and 2 electrons generating electricity that is used to power on board electric...
and if storage is not a problem?
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  • #918,884
  • Aug 23, 2014 10:09am Aug 23, 2014 10:09am
bbl.. going to cast a few.. i will be back to read, " how to fish books."
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  • #918,885
  • Aug 23, 2014 11:22am Aug 23, 2014 11:22am
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} a hydro generator is simple enough to make.. read all the studies you want.. one can be used with a simple carburetor. just funnel the gas to it.. and have it only making hydrogen when the motor is turning. this way you dont have to store it. if the motor is not turning, no gas needs to be made. the faster the motor turns, the more electricity from a simple generator produces more dc power. in turn more hydrogen atoms are separated from the oxygen, and pulled into the carburetor. they complement each other in ignition process... in this...
I'm not sure if I'm understanding you. By "Hydro generator" do you mean hydroelectric generator? Like a dam or a water wheel? If so then again I have nothing to add. If you're talking about converting the force of moving water to electricity via an energy cell it's doable. The one thing I'm still arguing against is the fact that you can't: Take a watermolecule -> split it -> Reform it -> Gain magical energy.
  • #918,886
  • Aug 23, 2014 12:19pm Aug 23, 2014 12:19pm
i would like to post my expectation for EUR/USD
the pair is on a critical place right now as it is on the edge of the Fibonacci level 61.8 as the bad news continues to come out about the euro zone and after mario draghi last Friday says about the low inflation level so i expect the pair to fall beyond this level and this fall will make it fall down passing by the first support level 1.3165 and the second support level 1.3110 till we reach the 100 Fibonacci level at 1.2850
although indicators lie bollinger band and stochastic oscillator and MACD gives a buy sign but i expect a light up not to exceed the first resistance level at 1.3400 then the huge fall comes out
thanks to all and hope my first analysis add to you even few amount
  • #918,887
  • Aug 23, 2014 12:30pm Aug 23, 2014 12:30pm
Quoting LarryDarrell
{quote} you forgot the :nerd: symbol... .




of course, :nerd:
  • #918,888
  • Aug 23, 2014 12:37pm Aug 23, 2014 12:37pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote}. ps dont try this w/o a arrester, i almost blew my leg off..
  • #918,889
  • Aug 23, 2014 1:08pm Aug 23, 2014 1:08pm
Quoting Velites
{quote} I'm not sure if I'm understanding you. By "Hydro generator" do you mean hydroelectric generator? Like a dam or a water wheel? If so then again I have nothing to add. If you're talking about converting the force of moving water to electricity via an energy cell it's doable. The one thing I'm still arguing against is the fact that you can't: Take a watermolecule -> split it -> Reform it -> Gain magical energy.

Second law of thermodynamics comes to mind:

processes, where one form of energy is transformed into another are never 100% efficient
  • #918,890
  • Aug 23, 2014 1:25pm Aug 23, 2014 1:25pm
Assessing energy balance of large-scale hydrogen production ...
  • #918,891
  • Aug 23, 2014 1:38pm Aug 23, 2014 1:38pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_economy


Enough for today
  • #918,892
  • Aug 23, 2014 2:14pm Aug 23, 2014 2:14pm
wow complex keep it simple chart is bearish

Quoting USDollar
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  • #918,893
  • Aug 23, 2014 2:28pm Aug 23, 2014 2:28pm
Quoting Bones
wow complex keep it simple chart is bearish {quote} {image}
Hi Bones,

Very bearish, but maybe something happening here.....
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  • #918,894
  • Aug 23, 2014 2:48pm Aug 23, 2014 2:48pm
Quoting infinitus
{quote} Second law of thermodynamics comes to mind: processes, where one form of energy is transformed into another are never 100% efficient
correct, it takes a lot of energy to distal/refine oil to a usable fuel. a fact often not included in this argument. using that same energy to separate water is more cost efficient. you dont need a fuel truck to deliver what a faucet or a ditch on the side of the road has and abundance of. or even our own blader.
be sure to add the drilling energy and the tanker shipping cost..
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  • #918,895
  • Aug 23, 2014 2:50pm Aug 23, 2014 2:50pm
Quoting Mr. Scott
{quote} Hi Bones, Very bearish, but maybe something happening here..... {image}
Spot on Mr Scott, it is time we make a move towards 1.3400 and possibly 1.3500. ABCD pattern, important 50% FI level hit and an extremely bearish crowded trade. The up move will be vicious and fast. Short UJ as well targeting below 103.
  • #918,896
  • Aug 23, 2014 2:56pm Aug 23, 2014 2:56pm
Quoting Velites
{quote} I'm not sure if I'm understanding you. By "Hydro generator" do you mean hydroelectric generator? Like a dam or a water wheel? If so then again I have nothing to add. If you're talking about converting the force of moving water to electricity via an energy cell it's doable. The one thing I'm still arguing against is the fact that you can't: Take a watermolecule -> split it -> Reform it -> Gain magical energy.
the simple act of putting a positive and a negative charge in impure water produce hydrogen. in a hydrogen generator the gas is directed or stored.. many refineries produce it as a byproduct and flare it or direct it to a boiler. its pretty potent, ever heard of the big brother to the atomic bomb.. its the h bomb
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  • #918,897
  • Aug 23, 2014 3:01pm Aug 23, 2014 3:01pm
Hi scott , at this stage I can see 1.3 easy ,on monthly tf ,and weekly

Quoting Mr. Scott
{quote} Hi Bones, Very bearish, but maybe something happening here..... {image}
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  • #918,898
  • Aug 23, 2014 3:06pm Aug 23, 2014 3:06pm
so far so good,I never even looked at where the moon was in relationship to mars ,

Quoting Bones
for monthly last monthly we see failure ,and w1's should be doubted to be anything major like reversal {image}
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  • #918,899
  • Edited 3:39pm Aug 23, 2014 3:27pm | Edited 3:39pm
Quoting Bones
Hi scott , at this stage I can see 1.3 easy ,on monthly tf ,and weekly {quote} {image}
If you trade of the monthly or even the weekly, fine.. you will be good. Break it down into daily and 4H its not that clearcut in my view. I can actually see sign of 3500 and even 3700 before you will see 3017. Bears got tricked down and next week we will see how they do. If not, then you will get your 3017 pretty easy. So i am with Mr.Scott. Thanks to Gator and his playing with fib levels i actually started playing with them myself and found how different fib ranges have various respect. Right now you will get best respect of fiblevels if you use the 2013 apr low at 1.2745 to 1.3992. Zoom in at the levels and see, look where 61.8 is right now. So i do believe the chance that bears are fooked is priittyy high.

Here we can actually see the fight we had the last weeks, you can see how bull wanted above the 50 and bear pushed it down on every time and wanted to keep it under. We did not get a bounce of the 50 level, bulls pulled back to gain momentum, now we stopped dead at 61.8. One more level without a bounce?
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  • #918,900
  • Aug 23, 2014 3:36pm Aug 23, 2014 3:36pm
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