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  • #918,861
  • Edited 10:22pm Aug 22, 2014 6:57pm | Edited 10:22pm
Quoting Velites
{quote} I don't know what the hell you're on about but water can not be used as a fuel as you mention it. If you split the watermolecule first it requires you to get rid of 2 hydrogenbonds which are really strong. Because I'm such a nice guy and doesn't try to spread misinformation I calculated this for you and FF readers. Basically you lose 419.8 kJ/mol. This translates to 2 Wh lost per kilo of water used. The Hydrogen doesn't ignite by itself, it reacts with the oxygen and forms water which means that you can't ignite just it and get energy. Hydrogen...
Anything with fatty acid can be processed to bio fuel (bio diesel). The only available in option to replace fossil diesel is from Crude Palm Oil (CPO) plantation in Asia Pacific because of available installed production which needs lots of land. But the Refined CPO delivery Netherlands back in 2005 -2008 was almost cost the same as WTI Crude (fossil fuel). Add the investment to build refinery for CPO to bio diesel, is not even economical to convert CPO to bio diesel. Look up the final products of CPO.

Pls don't ask how I know

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  • #918,862
  • Aug 22, 2014 7:18pm Aug 22, 2014 7:18pm
Quoting infinitus
{quote}
ya the new german stealth submarines, wich were selled for example to israel, have a hydrogen motor mode. This is quiet silent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_212_submarine
  • #918,863
  • Aug 22, 2014 7:50pm Aug 22, 2014 7:50pm
Quoting Homie
{quote} Actually there lies one big truth about energy, a well kept secret from the naked eye. it is very easy to read, but a lot harder to understand.
  • #918,864
  • Aug 22, 2014 8:18pm Aug 22, 2014 8:18pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} no... its just a simple 374x before 3012.. none of these has retraced since 2992.. so keep that in mind.. % wise 3102 before 4147 was about 85% of the way to 4147 before drop.. the failed one for 3232 had a bounce at about 95%.. .. 3747 before 3012 at the current low is only close to 72%.. on a counter trade i would rather a higher %.. then 3102 before 4147 means just that,, 3102 is a normal retrace before higher.. i dont think 4147 is in the picture with fundis.. but it is still valid.. a better long between 3102 and 3012 seems to be in...
that means stay short and long at 3102-3012?
  • #918,865
  • Aug 22, 2014 8:36pm Aug 22, 2014 8:36pm
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  • #918,866
  • Edited 12:10am Aug 23, 2014 12:00am | Edited 12:10am
Quoting Ken A
{quote} Anything with fatty acid can be processed to bio fuel (bio diesel). The only available in option to replace fossil diesel is from Crude Palm Oil (CPO) plantation in Asia Pacific because of available installed production which needs lots of land. But the Refined CPO delivery Netherlands back in 2005 -2008 was almost cost the same as WTI Crude (fossil fuel). Add the investment to build refinery for CPO to bio diesel, is not even economical to convert CPO to bio diesel. Look up the final products of CPO. Pls don't ask how I know Edit: {image}...
i guess nobody from brazil is in the house. they have been doing a good part of this for almost 100 years for gas burners. it sounds like kiwi's friend does not know, any hydrocarbon burning produces water and other things. the only way to turn hydrogen back to water in the example is a chemical reaction. burning is the chemical reaction. the burning hydrogen/oxygen mixture burns , then only, does the bonding take place, to make water. just like burning gasoline produces water during the burn.
hydrogen burns with a normal air mixture.. moves the vehicle,, then water comes out the exuast

you can mix oxygen and hydrogen, it remains separate of bonding ,its not changing to water till you ignite it.
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #918,867
  • Edited 12:28am Aug 23, 2014 12:05am | Edited 12:28am
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} i guess nobody from brazil is in the house. they have been doing a good part of this for almost 100 years for gas burners. it sounds like kiwi's friend does not know, any hydrocarbon burning produces water and other things. the only way to turn hydrogen back to water in the example is a chemical reaction. burning is the chemical reaction. the burning hydrogen/oxygen mixture burns first, then only, does the bonding take place, to make water. just like burning gasoline produces water after the burn. hydrogen burns with a normal air mixture.....
South America and largest plantation is still in Asia Pacific ....

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Biodiesel around the world
  • #918,868
  • Aug 23, 2014 12:55am Aug 23, 2014 12:55am
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} i guess nobody from brazil is in the house. they have been doing a good part of this for almost 100 years for gas burners. it sounds like kiwi's friend does not know, any hydrocarbon burning produces water and other things. the only way to turn hydrogen back to water in the example is a chemical reaction. burning is the chemical reaction. the burning hydrogen/oxygen mixture burns , then only, does the bonding take place, to make water. just like burning gasoline produces water during the burn. hydrogen burns with a normal air mixture.. moves...
If I'm not wrong more than 60% of the cars in Brazil run on ethanol from sugar cane. The problem with ethanol is that just a small number of countries have the climate and the available land for growing and processing sugar cane into ethanol at such a scale.

As for the hydrogen, there are two approaches: one that uses the more conventional method of burning it into an internal combustion engine and the second one uses H2 O2 fuel cell that splits the H into 2 protons and 2 electrons generating electricity that is used to power on board electric motors that make the car move.

The problem with any of the the two hydrogen methods is that hydrogen is kinda hard to be stored, it requires a lot of volume and pretty low temperature.

BMW played a bit with this like 7 years ago and came up with a storing solution so brilliant that it could of kept a cup of coffee warm for at least 20 days, but of course because the prices where prohibitive at the time and not a lot of interest they terminated the project.
Why sell the bottoms when you can buy the tops...
  • #918,869
  • Aug 23, 2014 1:13am Aug 23, 2014 1:13am
Quoting nese
{quote} ya the new german stealth submarines, wich were selled for example to israel, have a hydrogen motor mode. This is quiet silent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_212_submarine

Hydrogen fuel does not occur naturally on Earth and thus is not an energy source; rather it is an energy carrier. It is most frequently made from methane or other fossil fuels, but it can be produced using sources (such as wind, solar, or nuclear) that are intermittent, however the conversion loss to chemical energy makes the approach uneconomical on a large scale.[3] Integrated wind-to-hydrogen (power to gas) plants, using electrolysis of water, are exploring technologies to deliver costs low enough, and quantities great enough, to compete with traditional energy sources.[4] There are various ways to produce hydrogen fuel such as: natural gas, coal, nuclear power, and renewable resources. By use of thermochemical processes one can produce hydrogen from biomass, coal, natural gas and petroleum. Production of hydrogen electrolytically can also be demonstrated experimentally for power generated by use of sunlight, wind and nuclear sources. In addition to this, sunlight alone can drive photolytic production of hydrogen from water by use of advanced photocatalytic water splitting and photo biological processes however none of these approaches can compete with the low cost and abundance of natural gas produced by the hydraulic fracturing of shales.[5]
Many companies are working to develop technologies that might efficiently exploit the potential of hydrogen energy for use in motor vehicles. As of November 2013 there are demonstration fleets of hydrogen fuel cell vehicles undergoing field testing including the Chevrolet Equinox Fuel Cell, Honda FCX Clarity, Hyundai ix35 Fuel Cell and Mercedes-Benz B-Class F-Cell.[6] The hope that was widely promoted for hydrogen as an energy currency was that, hydrogen prepared without using fossil fuel inputs, vehicle propulsion would not contribute to carbon dioxide emissions, however this has proven to be uneconomical in light of the developments of fracking. The drawbacks of hydrogen use are high carbon emissions intensity when produced from natural gas of over 14 kg CO2 per kg of hydrogen, capital cost burden, low energy content per unit volume, low performance of fuel cell vehicles compared with gasoline vehicles, production and compression of hydrogen, and the large investment in infrastructure that would be required to fuel vehicles


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_vehicle
  • #918,870
  • Aug 23, 2014 1:27am Aug 23, 2014 1:27am
Quoting Ken A
{quote} Anything with fatty acid can be processed to bio fuel (bio diesel). The only available in option to replace fossil diesel is from Crude Palm Oil (CPO) plantation in Asia Pacific because of available installed production which needs lots of land. But the Refined CPO delivery Netherlands back in 2005 -2008 was almost cost the same as WTI Crude (fossil fuel). Add the investment to build refinery for CPO to bio diesel, is not even economical to convert CPO to bio diesel. Look up the final products of CPO. Pls don't ask how I know Edit: {image}...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_vehicle

Current worldwide production of vegetable oil and animal fat is not sufficient to replace liquid fossil fuel use. Furthermore, some object to the vast amount of farming and the resulting fertilization, pesticide use, and land use conversion that would be needed to produce the additional vegetable oil. The estimated transportation diesel fuel and home heating oil used in the United States is about 160 million tons (350 billion pounds) according to the Energy Information Administration, US Department of Energy.[85] In the United States, estimated production of vegetable oil for all uses is about 11 million tons (24 billion pounds) and estimated production of animal fat is 5.3 million tonnes (12 billion pounds).[86]
If the entire arable land area of the USA (470 million acres, or 1.9 million square kilometers) were devoted to biodiesel production from soy, this would just about provide the 160 million tonnes required (assuming an optimistic 98 US gal/acre of biodiesel). This land area could in principle be reduced significantly using algae, if the obstacles can be overcome. The US DOE estimates that if algae fuel replaced all the petroleum fuel in the United States, it would require 15,000 square miles (39,000 square kilometers), which is a few thousand square miles larger than Maryland, or 30% greater than the area of Belgium,[87][88] assuming a yield of 140 tonnes/hectare (15,000 US gal/acre). Given a more realistic yield of 36 tonnes/hectare (3834 US gal/acre) the area required is about 152,000 square kilometers, or roughly equal to that of the state of Georgia or of England and Wales. The advantages of algae are that it can be grown on non-arable land such as deserts or in marine environments, and the potential oil yields are much higher than from plants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_vehicle
  • #918,871
  • Aug 23, 2014 1:30am Aug 23, 2014 1:30am
A 2005 study found that biodiesel production using soybeans required 27% more fossil energy than the biodiesel produced and 118% more energy using sunflowers.[97]
However, these statistics by themselves are not enough to show whether such a change makes economic sense. Additional factors must be taken into account, such as: the fuel equivalent of the energy required for processing, the yield of fuel from raw oil, the return on cultivating food, the effect biodiesel will have on food prices and the relative cost of biodiesel versus petrodiesel, water pollution from farm run-off, soil depletion[citation needed], and the externalized costs of political and military interference in oil-producing countries intended to control the price of petrodiesel.
The debate over the energy balance of biodiesel is ongoing. Transitioning fully to biofuels could require immense tracts of land if traditional food crops are used (although non food crops can be utilized). The problem would be especially severe for nations with large economies, since energy consumption scales with economic output.[98]
If using only traditional food plants, most such nations do not have sufficient arable land to produce biofuel for the nation's vehicles. Nations with smaller economies (hence less energy consumption) and more arable land may be in better situations, although many regions cannot afford to divert land away from food production.
For third world countries, biodiesel sources that use marginal land could make more sense; e.g., pongam oiltree nuts grown along roads or jatropha grown along rail lines.[99]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_vehicle
  • #918,872
  • Aug 23, 2014 1:32am Aug 23, 2014 1:32am
In tropical regions, such as Malaysia and Indonesia, plants that produce palm oil are being planted at a rapid pace to supply growing biodiesel demand in Europe and other markets. Scientists have shown that the removal of rainforest for palm plantations is not ecologically sound since the expansion of oil palm plantations poses a threat to natural rainforest and biodiversity.[100]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_vehicle
  • #918,873
  • Aug 23, 2014 1:47am Aug 23, 2014 1:47am
Regarding Hydrogen fuel:


google "Hydrogen energy balance" and you get a sense where the problem lies.......
  • #918,874
  • Aug 23, 2014 2:01am Aug 23, 2014 2:01am
nice analysis regarding Hydrogen

http://www.hydrogen.energy.gov/pdfs/...ina_2012_o.pdf
  • #918,875
  • Aug 23, 2014 2:03am Aug 23, 2014 2:03am
many many background facts

http://www.hydrogenambassadors.com/background/facts.php
  • #918,876
  • Aug 23, 2014 2:53am Aug 23, 2014 2:53am
Quoting infinitus
many many background facts http://www.hydrogenambassadors.com/background/facts.php
you forgot the :nerd: symbol...

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Fail better.
  • #918,877
  • Aug 23, 2014 3:43am Aug 23, 2014 3:43am
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} i guess nobody from brazil is in the house. they have been doing a good part of this for almost 100 years for gas burners. it sounds like kiwi's friend does not know, any hydrocarbon burning produces water and other things. the only way to turn hydrogen back to water in the example is a chemical reaction. burning is the chemical reaction. the burning hydrogen/oxygen mixture burns , then only, does the bonding take place, to make water. just like burning gasoline produces water during the burn. hydrogen burns with a normal air mixture.. moves...
You're right, however Mr kiwi's argument is that you can pick up H2O molecules, convert it into two separate diatomic gasses and ignite them separately (Which you can't for H2) or maybe as you mention, turn it into water again by burning the hydrogen with oxygen in which case you lose energy.
  • #918,878
  • Aug 23, 2014 4:20am Aug 23, 2014 4:20am
Quoting Ken A
{quote} Anything with fatty acid can be processed to bio fuel (bio diesel). The only available in option to replace fossil diesel is from Crude Palm Oil (CPO) plantation in Asia Pacific because of available installed production which needs lots of land. But the Refined CPO delivery Netherlands back in 2005 -2008 was almost cost the same as WTI Crude (fossil fuel). Add the investment to build refinery for CPO to bio diesel, is not even economical to convert CPO to bio diesel. Look up the final products of CPO. Pls don't ask how I know Edit: {image}...
Palm oil together with sugar cane farms seems to be the only alternatives to be viable as you mention. http://www.ceopalmoil.com/2013/04/pa...uel-feedstock/

Althought the transportation to europe where you can't grow palms in the northern parts might make some other plant more viable.
  • #918,879
  • Aug 23, 2014 5:32am Aug 23, 2014 5:32am
Quoting JustAndy
{quote} If I'm not wrong more than 60% of the cars in Brazil run on ethanol from sugar cane. The problem with ethanol is that just a small number of countries have the climate and the available land for growing and processing sugar cane into ethanol at such a scale. As for the hydrogen, there are two approaches: one that uses the more conventional method of burning it into an internal combustion engine and the second one uses H2 O2 fuel cell that splits the H into 2 protons and 2 electrons generating electricity that is used to power on board electric...

Brazil and South Africa have a joint venture now producing ethanol.
  • #918,880
  • Aug 23, 2014 6:48am Aug 23, 2014 6:48am
Quoting ffleo
{quote} life even in very hot water almost boiling. But if you cool that water, that life will die.

they also found micro organisms on the ontside of the iss !!

http://en.itar-tass.com/non-political/745635
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