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  • #72,261
  • May 25, 2014 11:15am May 25, 2014 11:15am
Quoting denmas
{quote} We use the same language Mas/Pak. Hope you could help me to do Prof TAH "homework".
Hahaha, I know. But as long we talked in forum, english will be our language. It's just because this forum are the real book from Sonic R system, so every body can understand. I'll help, do not worry..

Just send pm to me if you need help in bahasa...


Quoting traderathome
{quote} Bernard, Last year there was a period of time I was considering including the option to change PVA colors, but with all the questions coming from newbies that did not do their homework, yet wanted to know everything, I decided that option would be a disaster to the thread. We all need to see the same colors all the time, and in every post. That way, there is only one set of colors to be asked about. Therefore, no option has been included in the new indicators. If you think about this, and in terms of this thread being a text book of the...
Sir, maybe the only change is update for line level for gold. Insta use name gold. I know the line level for gold look for xauusd. I've experiment with the line level for gold. For volume color, please let it be like now. All pupil in this forum need the same page and see the same color. I agree with you.


Regards,
Gupito Poernawan



On a good day, I'm okay...
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  • #72,262
  • Edited 11:59am May 25, 2014 11:18am | Edited 11:59am
Quoting Gupito1508
Exploit the market price by Volume Reading I hope it help for a newcomer blue sonicers, a guidance how to find the spot and exploit market price. It’s just a compliment into Sonic Classic and PVSRA. A pdf that combine from a two pdf before. TAH often tell to be careful with scout, with this pdf, all newcomer will know the reason of “TAH warn”. This pdf, encourage classic setup, with a step by step definition, to know the PVSRA reading, and how to exploit the edge. I really hope it will help all sonicers, even that haters of sonicers can read. Hopefully,...
Gupito1508,

Sir, this is your best work yet.

If PVSRA is a tool, then you are the instructor to show all the proper and best way to use the tool! I thank you for the entire membership of the Sonic R. System. We are truly blessed you have come to us.

A link to this post of yours has been added to Post #1 in the PVSRA section.

-tah
  • #72,263
  • May 25, 2014 12:11pm May 25, 2014 12:11pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Trade With TradersWay? Nope! Several comments from an agent of TradersWay should be scrutinized. They are as follows. "The main problem for us was quantity of ticks per second, we had really huge traffic and hundreds ticks for instrument per second. And we applied some rules to reduce it. As a result of this volume indicator became smoother. Today we have changed settings again and I think Volume will turn into more familiar view." Brokers that are much, much larger than TradersWay have no problem processing traffic that is really, really...
This is very scary. i feel like i have finally found a way to read the market as it is only to have big money take away anything that could be used to help traders actually make a profit trading. Is there no way to win? Its like they only want to let us play if we are at such a serious disadvantage that its practically impossible for us to even come out slightly in the green. They arent going to give a damn if all of us boycott trading..... they will welcome it because we have an advantage that the regular joe trader knows nothing about.
Realistically is there anything that can be done? How can it be legal to tamper with the only information that a trader gets that tells it like it is?
Very disheartening
  • #72,264
  • May 25, 2014 12:25pm May 25, 2014 12:25pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} No, because it is something I am considering and working on. What I am considering is if to replace the Sonic_2 PVA Candles indicator with a Sonic_2 Candles Suite indicator. It would have options for PVA candles, standard candles, simple price bars, and Heikin-Ashi candles modified to reveal price gaps. While I am considering this, I am working on it. It would require a Sonic_6 Volumes Suite indicator to go with it which would have options for PVA Volume and standard volume. -tah
TAH, for what it is worth, you might want to take a look at Raghee Horner's
GRAB candles (if you aren't already familiar with them) when you begin
creating the Candles Suite indicator.

Like Sonic Deejay, I've been a follower of Ms. Horner for many years, and I've gotten some
useful information from reading her books.

I don't know if the GRAB candles might be applicable to the Sonic R template, but it is
certainly worth a look.

  • #72,265
  • May 25, 2014 12:31pm May 25, 2014 12:31pm
Quoting billko1977
{quote} This is very scary. i feel like i have finally found a way to read the market as it is only to have big money take away anything that could be used to help traders actually make a profit trading. Is there no way to win? Its like they only want to let us play if we are at such a serious disadvantage that its practically impossible for us to even come out slightly in the green. They arent going to give a damn if all of us boycott trading..... they will welcome it because we have an advantage that the regular joe trader knows nothing about....
billko1977 & All Sonicers,

Do not be disheartened by the sleazy steps taken by one broker to increase it's ability to disadvantage it's clients.

TradersWay is not a substantial broker. In spite of what they say, they are more like a "fly by night" outfit. Just look at their website. You will find no mention of what agencies they are regulated by, nor any mention of a physical address. Just on that alone, any retail trader should be wary of doing business with them. Therefore, do not assume what they do is concurrently being done by well known and regulated brokers. We see no evidence of that at this time, and if this broker is digging itself into a very unprofitable hole that could cause the loss of it's retail business, more reputable brokers are not likely to follow.

If anything, as the spot forex market grows and matures, my bet is that it will eventually be like the stock market, where true volume (actual amount of currency traded) will become part of the normal data feed. The only thing keeping this from happening is that the brokers have no incentive to do so. MetaQuotes can handle it, because whether the number of times price changes or the numbered amount of currency traded - three events of price changing or 3 million in currency since last tick feed - it is all just numbers which any computer platform can easily handle.

-tah
  • #72,266
  • May 25, 2014 12:42pm May 25, 2014 12:42pm
Quoting ArtfulDodger
{quote} TAH, for what it is worth, you might want to take a look at Raghee Horner's GRAB candles (if you aren't already familiar with them) when you begin creating the Candles Suite indicator. Like Sonic Deejay, I've been a follower of Ms. Horner for many years, and I've gotten some useful information from reading her books. I don't know if the GRAB candles might be applicable to the Sonic R template, but it is certainly worth a look.
ArtfulDodger,

I am familiar with them - basically, green above Dragon, red below, and blue inside - which we can see easily enough without any colors. In fact, the more we bring attention to a routine thing like that, the more likely our focus will miss something else less routine and more significant about the market.

Our "Modus Operendi" should probably be to see what price does at whole and half LEVELs, and to wait for price to get to them, as part of looking for setups and exits.

-tah
  • #72,267
  • May 25, 2014 12:48pm May 25, 2014 12:48pm
http://www.forexpeacearmy.com/traders_court/
search for TradersWay, you find dozends articles like that
http://www.forexpeacearmy.com/forex-...r-scammer.html
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  • #72,268
  • May 25, 2014 12:50pm May 25, 2014 12:50pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Gupito1508, Sir, this is your best work yet. If PVSRA is a tool, then you are the instructor to show all the proper and best way to use the tool! I thank you for the entire membership of the Sonic R. System. We are truly blessed you have come to us. A link to this post of yours has been added to Post #1 in the PVSRA section. -tah
Thank you. I'm glad can contribute and by doing that, I learn again while share. Thanks a lot...

Regards,
Gupito Poernawan



On a good day, I'm okay...
On a bad day, I'm okay too...
It's all started from page one
  • #72,269
  • May 25, 2014 1:08pm May 25, 2014 1:08pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} ArtfulDodger, I am familiar with them - basically, green above Dragon, red below, and blue inside - which we can see easily enough without any colors. In fact, the more we bring attention to a routine thing like that, the more likely our focus will miss something else less routine and more significant about the market. Our "Modus Operendi" should probably be to see what price does at whole and half LEVELs, and to wait for price to get to them, as part of looking for setups and exits. -tah
Understood.

  • #72,270
  • Edited 2:31pm May 25, 2014 1:16pm | Edited 2:31pm
TAH,

As I initially posted. I have been with TradersWay for about 2 years and have had no problems whatsoever. They have handled my deposit and withdrawals expeditiously and without fault. Their MT4 ECN platform is very fast and I have never had a slippage or account problem.

With that being said, I thought the volume issue was probably an isolated technical problem on their end and that is what triggered my 1st email. I won't rehash what has already been said, but their responses is what began to raise questions about volume manipulation, leading to my previous post revealing their answer.

Far too much of this thread has already been cluttered with the TradersWay drama so this will be my last (barring any earth shattering revelation). I am mainly concerned that a broker has the latitude to tinker with the MT4 platform and manipulate to suite their needs, ie, volume. Thanks for your insight and I will deal with their Management.

My FXCM MT4 account with the correct volume. In my 9+ years of trading I have never experienced a broker tampering with my MT4 platform, or did not realize if subtle changes were made, until now! Do all brokers have the autonomy to change/manipulate the MT4 platform to suite their needs at will and all MT4 platforms are not created equal?? Lesson learned


Regards,
Cigarguy
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  • #72,271
  • May 25, 2014 3:13pm May 25, 2014 3:13pm
Quoting Gupito1508
Exploit the market price by Volume Reading I hope it help for a newcomer blue sonicers, a guidance how to find the spot and exploit market price. It’s just a compliment into Sonic Classic and PVSRA. A pdf that [...]
Hi Gupito,

thanx for your time and effort to compile that pdf. Great job!!!
I'm still in the phase of doing my Homeworks, so I'm not ready to present any analysis according to your standards and I respect this. But I'm very experienced in the MT4 Technology and also about the Brokers Business Models already. However - I found this statement in the PDF:
Quote
Each dealing price (1st
and 2nd) makes the tick count add +1. In easier word, “tick = each price
change.” If in a minute, there are 459 price changes, then the volume will show 459. Each candle
formed in every TF, has a volume that count the amount of price change.

So I have some information for the Sonic R. technicians and coder behind the scenes:
The statement above is basically right, but not exact. In MT4 only the price change of the Bid is counted as a new tick. But with good datafeeds you will receive also changes of the Ask-Price, keeping the Bid-Price unchanged. That way the MT4 scricts, Indicators, EA's get not triggered, and in fact the Ask-Price changes are not recognized at all.

I'm not sure, if it would be a benefit for the System to be able to count the ask-price changes too. If so, there are ways and technical concepts to get it done in Mt4.

I do not want to clutter this thread with technical details. But if that would be an advantage for your system, please let one of your coders get in contact with me via PM. I'll give you all required informations, to get it done...

All the Best,
and a good start into the new Trading week!

Niels
  • #72,272
  • May 25, 2014 3:30pm May 25, 2014 3:30pm
Quoting MaMood
{quote} Hi Gupito, thanx for your time and effort to compile that pdf. Great job!!! I'm still in the phase of doing my Homeworks, so I'm not ready to present any analysis according to your standards and I respect this. But I'm very experienced in the MT4 Technology and also about the Brokers Business Models already. However - I found this statement in the PDF: {quote} So I have some information for the Sonic R. technicians and coder behind the scenes: The statement above is basically right, but not exact. In MT4 only the price change of the Bid...
MaMood,

Thank you for sharing your knowledge on this subject.

Like you, I am not sure including Ask price changes would help, simply because when a chart is first populated, only the historic data is available, which I presume is only the count of Bid price changes per time frame bar. Once a chart is opened, from that time on while the chart remains open, as you say, we might possibly include Ask price changes if the ongoing feed can be interrogated for this information. The complication is that different brokers might or might not have a feed that can be interrogated successfully, and even if so, it sounds like only from the TF of the chart at which it was opened would such data be coming in for interrogation and display. Sounds too "iffy" to be use.

-tah
  • #72,273
  • Edited 4:08pm May 25, 2014 3:52pm | Edited 4:08pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} MaMood, Thank you for sharing your knowledge on this subject. Like you, I am not sure including Ask price changes would help, simply because when a chart is first populated, only the historic data is available, which I presume is only the count of Bid price changes per time frame bar. Once a chart is opened, from that time on while the chart remains open, as you say, we might possibly include Ask price changes if the ongoing feed can be interrogated for this information. The complication is that different brokers might or might not have...
Hi TAH,

thanx for the quick response.
Indeed, it will not be an easy solution...
But let's assume it would be possible, to record the ask price changes even for times, when someone has his plattform not up & running. Would you think that the knowledge of this additional information and it's interpretation could bring this method an additonal step forward? Knowing the ask price changes may deliver some new insights, like that there was buying from the ask or whatever. That is something that you and Sonic can judge much better than me. Maybe a little inspiration for the very experienced Sonicer's

If there is a major benefit, then in the second step, we can ponder about finding a technical solution to the benefit of all.
But ok, I just wanted to mention it.
The guesswork is up to you, perhaps some new insights could be derived....
Just some food for thoughts

Let me know, if some technical input is required..

CU,
Niels
  • #72,274
  • Edited May 26, 2014 7:32am May 25, 2014 5:52pm | Edited May 26, 2014 7:32am
Quoting Bernhard
{quote} very nice pdf you said: STEP 3: If MM long, find the evidence that red and purple start to decrease. If MM short, find the evidence that green and blue start to decrease. I made this template with x2 PVA. You see here red falling, green increasing. As to your statement it means something am I right. btw after restart mt4 the colours are reset, needs manually edit the 2 indis. (TAH can that be changed?) {image}
hi bernhard, see if these help you regards to Gupito's interpretation of volume.

im on mt4, some edits so the colors do not reset after mt4 restart. below white version, black version here.
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  • #72,275
  • May 25, 2014 6:37pm May 25, 2014 6:37pm
Quoting MaMood
{quote} Hi TAH, thanx for the quick response. Indeed, it will not be an easy solution... But let's assume it would be possible, to record the ask price changes even for times, when someone has his plattform not up & running. Would you think that the knowledge of this additional information and it's interpretation could bring this method an additonal step forward? Knowing the ask price changes may deliver some new insights, like that there was buying from the ask or whatever. That is something that you and Sonic can judge much better than me. Maybe...
MaMood,

Since the PVA Volumes indicator is open coded, if you want to give it a try, go ahead. If you succeed, then we can see if there is added value.

-tah
  • #72,276
  • May 25, 2014 7:58pm May 25, 2014 7:58pm
Scouting USD/JPY Short, Enter at previous strong resistance.
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  • #72,277
  • Edited 8:58pm May 25, 2014 8:17pm | Edited 8:58pm
Quoting feinan
Scouting USD/JPY Short, Enter at previous strong resistance. {image}
feinan,

I am not going to criticize your entry, and what I am about to say could always turn out to not be the case, but the LS most frequently brings the same highs, or even higher highs than the Asian session manages (or lows, if that were the case), which is another reason (other than more activity to provide continuation momentum for Classics) to hold off trading until into the LS.

Of course, if you are position building and starting off small to allow yourself flexibility for more additions, I can see why you took this opportunity (i.e., just in case a higher high never comes about).

-tah
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  • Edited 8:58pm May 25, 2014 8:46pm | Edited 8:58pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} feinan, I am not going to criticize your entry, and what I am about to say could always turn out to not be the case, but the LS most frequently brings the same highs, or even higher highs than the Asian session manages (or lows, if that were the case), which is another reason (other than more activity to provide continuation momentum) to hold off trading until into the LS, even if you are not waiting for a Classic setup. Of course, if you are position building and starting off small to allow yourself flexibility for more additions, I can...
prof,

Quote
(i.e., just in case a higher high never comes about).
Yeah that is the risk if higher high never comes.. I opened the trade at 10 seconds before the Candle end, so the next candle can show me another Volume, if the price going higher few pips i was planned to cutloss this trade, but just happen to Scalp few pips with no drawdown.

Anyway Thank You Prof. for the advice, will keep it in mind. :nerd:
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  • #72,279
  • May 25, 2014 8:51pm May 25, 2014 8:51pm
Quoting Bernhard
yes he said. PVA indi has options to change colour but if u change FT its reset. Same with levels my broker call it GOLD not XAUUSD and they are too small. Cant change it {image}
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Bernard, Last year there was a period of time I was considering including the option to change PVA colors, but with all the questions coming from newbies that did not do their homework, yet wanted to know everything, I decided that option would be a disaster to the thread. We all need to see the same colors all the time, and in every post. That way, there is only one set of colors to be asked about. Therefore, no option has been included in the new indicators. If you think about this, and in terms of this thread being a text book of the...
Bernhard,

I have posted it somewhere long ago.
You just need to went in to the "Access Panel" code, and modified the XAUUSD to GOLD. Then you will get the result.

-AdrianC.
  • #72,280
  • Edited May 26, 2014 10:15am May 25, 2014 9:03pm | Edited May 26, 2014 10:15am
Quoting AdrianC
{quote} {quote} Bernhard, I have posted it somewhere long ago. You just need to went in to the "Access Panel" code, and modified the XAUUSD to GOLD. Then you will get the result. -AdrianC.
Yes, around line 753 the code should be changed to read:

if((StringSubstr(Symbol(),0,6)=="XAUUSD")||(StringSubstr(Symbol(),0,4)=="GOLD")) {Poin = 0.1;}
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