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  • #241
  • Feb 11, 2014 7:40am Feb 11, 2014 7:40am
Quoting FerruFx
{quote} He is just not allowed to speak about this. Commercial things ...
I'm not sure what 'commercial things" means in this case so if you would care to share your thinking here, it would be appreciated.

But I hope that everyone who is participating in this thread or reading it is calling their broker so that they can hear a complaint....
If they are not getting complaints only two things are happening:
1. mt4 traders are brain dead
2. they don't have any mt4 customers.
Scarlett
  • #242
  • Feb 11, 2014 7:45am Feb 11, 2014 7:45am
I feel I must be in some parallel universe.

Once I worked out which indicators didnt work in Build 600, with a little advice from Xaphod, I spent all last weekend clearing compiling errors in my indicators.

From Sunday night when the markets opened, everything has worked perfectly.

No significant additional load on my cpu, all is perfectly fine.

I couldn't get two indicators to work, but that is just down to my programming ability, was able to reconstruct indies from other sources, and one now is actually significantly enhanced.

Admitted I dont have an overly sophisticated system, but I feel for people that have had such major issues.
I am a fallible imperfect person; so I must be a fallible imperfect trader.
  • #243
  • Feb 11, 2014 7:46am Feb 11, 2014 7:46am
  •  McD
  • | Joined Aug 2006 | Status: -Pecunia non olet- | 24 Posts
Quoting hanover
{quote} I just tried it, and yes, you're correct.
Hanover,

what concerns me the most is the (undeniable) fact, that all the functions to invade your privacy (for instance to start tasks
on your computer system that have nothing to do with "trading") are ALREADY built-in in version 509 .

It seems to me that this is the result of a lack of competition in the small market for forex software .
They can enforce whatever they want ...

What is the next step ? I don't even want to think about it ...

Thanks,
McD
  • #244
  • Edited 2:00pm Feb 11, 2014 7:49am | Edited 2:00pm
Quoting komodity
[Quote = Hanover; 7273160] {quote} Mám oba staví 509 a 600 běží, a já si nemyslím, že struktura souboru se změnil. K dispozici je záhlaví 4 byte (pravděpodobně typu integer), po němž následuje datový záznam 128 bajtů pro každý přístroj, který je nabízené br0ker. Název nástroje je .... [/ quote] Thanks: I make 2 screens. How you see, code reading correctly the first item from Market Watch (USDCHF..), next item are hiero-char, but for item i=32 is symbol reading again correctly... I don´t know where is error... :-(...
Try the attached script. It was coded and compiled on build 509.

The first screenshot shows the output when run on build 509.

Then I copied ONLY the komodity1.ex4 file from the ....../(MT4 build 509)/experts/scripts folder to the ....../MQL4/Scripts folder.
The second screenshot shows the result of running the same script on build 600.

Sorry if I don't understand correctly, but it's my best attempt in the time that I have available. I don't know how to code scripts using build 600.
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[EDIT] Ironically, the .mq4 file compiles without errors, and appears to run correctly, in build 600. LOL
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  • #245
  • Feb 11, 2014 7:55am Feb 11, 2014 7:55am
  •  FerruFx
  • Joined May 2007 | Status: MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder | 6,542 Posts | Online Now
Quoting Scarlett
{quote} I'm not sure what 'commercial things" means in this case so if you would care to share your thinking here, it would be appreciated.
What I meant is that like in any company (commercial), he can't say something bad about his supplier (Metaquotes).

By telling to his customers (us) that he received a lot of complains, he is then admitting that MT4 has a real problem.
MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder
  • #246
  • Edited 8:38am Feb 11, 2014 8:01am | Edited 8:38am
Quoting McD
{quote} Hanover, what concerns me the most is the (undeniable) fact, that all the functions to invade your privacy (for instance to start tasks on your computer system that have nothing to do with "trading") are ALREADY built-in in version 509 . It seems to me that this is the result of a lack of competition in the small market for forex software . They can enforce whatever they want ... What is the next step ? I don't even want to think about it ... Thanks, McD
McD,

The next step for me is easy. If/when MetaQuotes eventually make it impossible to use build 509, I'll simply quit forex, as it's little more than a hobby for me; other markets and investments provide my income. It's been a fun ride, and I'll be sad to quit after almost 8 years, but I'm not spending several weeks re-coding all of my EAs and indicators (the largest EA I've written has around 7,500 lines of code, if we include this in the line count).

I don't like invasion of my privacy; but I don't regard myself as a conspiracy theorist, either. For me, it's simply a case of either MT4 continues to meet my requirements, or it doesn't. If I quit forex, I'll delete all traces of MetaQuotes from my computer forever.

David
  • #247
  • Feb 11, 2014 8:05am Feb 11, 2014 8:05am
Quoting McD
{quote} Hanover, what concerns me the most is the (undeniable) fact, that all the functions to invade your privacy (for instance to start tasks on your computer system that have nothing to do with "trading") are ALREADY built-in in version 509 . It seems to me that this is the result of a lack of competition in the small market for forex software . They can enforce whatever they want ... What is the next step ? I don't even want to think about it ... Thanks, McD
You are right, this is a very serious problem.
  • #248
  • Feb 11, 2014 8:10am Feb 11, 2014 8:10am
Quoting FerruFx
{quote} What I meant is that like in any company (commercial), he can't say something bad about his supplier (Metaquotes). By telling to his customers (us) that he received a lot of complains, he is then admitting that MT4 has a real problem.
FerruFx,

Did you ever consider starting your own version of mt4?

A version that has some integrity?

Sounds impossible but the existing "rogue" version that we are all dealing with started somewhere too.

I wonder if mt4 is selling private trader info to the usual suspects.
Scarlett
  • #249
  • Edited 2:19pm Feb 11, 2014 8:18am | Edited 2:19pm
Quoting Martyfish
I feel I must be in some parallel universe. Once I worked out which indicators didnt work in Build 600, with a little advice from Xaphod, I spent all last weekend clearing compiling errors in my indicators. From Sunday night when the markets opened, everything has worked perfectly. No significant additional load on my cpu, all is perfectly fine. I couldn't get two indicators to work, but that is just down to my programming ability, was able to reconstruct indies from other sources, and one now is actually significantly enhanced. Admitted I dont...
Marty,

I have a friend who's new to MQL4 coding and he's written two indicators. They both compile in build 600 without any problems. As does the script I coded back in post #247.

There are also plenty of traders who will simply have their ex4 files copy happily across, and they'll run without any problems, because ex4s are apparently upwardly compatible. But they may encounter problems when they need to have them modified — that's when the 'fun' will likely start.

Somebody (was it ydrol? or pips4life?) created a list of build 509 functions that were unsupported (i.e. need to be re-coded) in build 600. Any EA or indicator that uses these functions will require re-work. As with all programming, some modifications are easier than others.

However, from what I've read, there are other features (like offline charts) that no longer work in build 600.

As pips4life and others have pointed out, re-coding is not an insurmountable task, but it's not a viable option for me personally, because I have written a vast number of MT4 indicators and EAs over the space of 7-8 years, and it's not worth my while to re-code them all.

So it's really hit or miss. Some traders will welcome whatever new features are built into the new look platform, and enjoy a smooth transition; while others will be be cursing MetaQuotes while they tear their hair out. Hence I don't expect this, and other similar threads, to die out too quickly.

David
  • #250
  • Feb 11, 2014 8:27am Feb 11, 2014 8:27am
I understand Hanover, So I guess, I am one of the lucky ones, that all aspects of my trading system haven't changed between 509 and 600, bar simple coding changes.
I am a fallible imperfect person; so I must be a fallible imperfect trader.
  • #251
  • Feb 11, 2014 8:27am Feb 11, 2014 8:27am
Quoting Scarlett
{quote} I'm not sure what 'commercial things" means in this case so if you would care to share your thinking here, it would be appreciated. But I hope that everyone who is participating in this thread or reading it is calling their broker so that they can hear a complaint.... If they are not getting complaints only two things are happening: 1. mt4 traders are brain dead 2. they don't have any mt4 customers.
unfortunately you will never know, they will never admit to getting complaints as it is bad publicity and even if they did, and even if they complained as a broker to MQ, well MQ don't give a damn what anybody else thinks even brokers, never have, never will.
  • #252
  • Feb 11, 2014 8:29am Feb 11, 2014 8:29am
  •  FerruFx
  • Joined May 2007 | Status: MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder | 6,542 Posts | Online Now
Quoting Scarlett
{quote} FerruFx, Did you ever consider starting your own version of mt4?
No ...
MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder
  • #253
  • Feb 11, 2014 8:30am Feb 11, 2014 8:30am
  •  FerruFx
  • Joined May 2007 | Status: MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder | 6,542 Posts | Online Now
Quoting MaxDoom
{quote} unfortunately you will never know, they will never admit to getting complaints as it is bad publicity and even if they did, and even if they complained as a broker to MQ, well MQ don't give a damn what anybody else thinks even brokers, never have, never will.
That was exactly my point ...
MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder
  • #254
  • Edited 10:07am Feb 11, 2014 9:28am | Edited 10:07am
Quoting easyr17
Does anyone know how to get around the SendMail function on the new Build 600?? On Build 509 my EA had no problems sending out emails but it wont work on the new build. Keep getting this error: Mail: 550 Sender Domain Invalid (VM420) Does anyone else have similar issues with sending out mail within their EA??
There is a bug related to sending email in some of the 600+ builds. It does not send the email address you put in the parameters but rather a fixed sender address ('test@...). Most servers will reject the message. It may have been fixed in the latest build, may be not. Maybe it was fixed and has been unfixed. Metaquotes is the only one that knows for sure and they refuse to give a list of what has been fixed and what has not been fixed.
  • #255
  • Feb 11, 2014 9:41am Feb 11, 2014 9:41am
  •  FerruFx
  • Joined May 2007 | Status: MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder | 6,542 Posts | Online Now
Quoting Xaphod
{quote}Metaquotes is the only one that knows for sure and they refuse to give a list of what has been fixed and what has not been fixed.
Not sure if they really know what they are doing ... The sure thing is that traders are testers.
MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder
  • #256
  • Feb 11, 2014 9:48am Feb 11, 2014 9:48am
I am with Marty on this one, when you are old like me you know that change is inevitable, you may as well embrace it.

Hanover I can see your frustration but surely you do not use everything you have coded in your life everyday, so can't you just re-do what you require. Also it got you posting again, always a treat to hear from you even if it does not concern me.

Keep posting
When all conditions are met - Enter trade - sit back and FRET !!!
  • #257
  • Feb 11, 2014 10:04am Feb 11, 2014 10:04am
Thank you a lot!!! I test your code on build 509 (Vista) - correct, build 584 (XP) code correct.
My code (post 226 http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...67#post7272967 ) behaves equally on OS Vista build 509, OS XP build 584 - always reading correct only the first item from Market Watch.
Screens was here: http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...11#post7273311

Thank you very mutch for your time and help me. You are smart head! :-)
  • #258
  • Feb 11, 2014 10:06am Feb 11, 2014 10:06am
Quoting hanover
{quote} Try the attached script. It was coded and compiled on build 509. The first screenshot shows the output when run on build 509. Then I copied ONLY the komodity1.ex4 file from the ....../(MT4 build 509)/experts/scripts folder to the ....../MQL4/Scripts folder. The second screenshot shows the result of running the same script on build 600. Sorry if I don't understand correctly, but it's my best attempt in the time that I have available. I don't know how to code scripts using build 600. {file} {file} {image} {image}
Thank you a lot!!! I test your code on build 509 (Vista) - correct, build 584 (XP) code correct.
My code (post 226 http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...67#post7272967 ) behaves equally on OS Vista build 509, OS XP build 584 - always reading correct only the first item from Market Watch.
Screens was here: http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...11#post7273311

Thank you very mutch for your time and help me. You are smart head! :-)
  • #259
  • Feb 11, 2014 11:03am Feb 11, 2014 11:03am
Quoting McD
{quote} Hanover, what concerns me the most is the (undeniable) fact, that all the functions to invade your privacy (for instance to start tasks on your computer system that have nothing to do with "trading") are ALREADY built-in in version 509 . It seems to me that this is the result of a lack of competition in the small market for forex software . They can enforce whatever they want ... What is the next step ? I don't even want to think about it ... Thanks, McD
I type and write very poorly. My apologizes in advanced, The reason for the bid charts in metatrader was 2 mask a low liquidity problem at certain dealing desks. Let me explain. If you had 2 banks you clear trades though then. and one customer you would never get a bar... But if you had 2 banks and made bar charts out of bids you would get a "real Chart" but then every desk should have different open high low and closes and they did back then..For Example , Many years ago I took a institutional data feed and compared it bar by bar 2 several dealing desk . 2 are not longer around. All Charts from desks where different. You should expect this they where the bids and asks of just that desk. 2 Pick my current desk I found one that had the closest charts 2 the institutional data feed and that was IBFX.

Jump forward nine years.


On Friday during non farm , I was helping a buddy test his Dealing desk. Ir was divsa and I do not use them...I have four eas that just " test desks: I had not used them for some time I love IBFX and IBFX.AU ..... Anyway .My buddy and myself dumped dumped all the bid and ask prices pff a dealing desk and reconstructed the bar..... " It marched the institutional data feeds bar. no difference..... Now that is damn odd...... The desk was divsa and on the old build.....

Test one
If the Bars are not different from the bid and ask. You have a great dealing desk. Example iClose(Symbol, TimeFrame, 0) .!= MarketInfo(OrderSymbol(), MODE_BID); at IBFX these are never off more than 1 second.... This is of Note You are seeing the Bid and ask is only the bid and ask of the firm you are looking at, Well the banks they have liquidity provider contracts with. with. .

Test two.
if more complex. You must take a institutional feed and compare the Bars one at a time 2 "dealing desk bars" I think . well I have assumed for a long time , That the 2048 bars that are on the history down load come from your dealing desk and should never match another dealing desk perfectly. In This rest you need a EA 1 loop though 2048 bars and dump them 2 excel. Reuters works with OLE so drag char over and look at bars, This i have not done for a while. That is compare two different desks 2 Reuters. Why? Well the data back father than 2048 bars is from the same source so no need. it comes from Metatrader. Also 2 Hide the low liquidity levels. You are dealing with aggregated bars But NOT aggregated bids and ask . ..This is why I never trigger on iClose(Symbol, TimeFrame, 0) in a ea......

Test Three
How many Bid changes do you get . Take a ea and record these changes just the number. Some desk have a repeating hear beat 2 make the EA launch. The more changes the better and we would assume you are right with the Market

Test Four
The Spread. Record the spread. if it is 2 bar apart then you have a desk with low liquidity. Each Desk should have different Variable spreads and the data should be different.

Test Five
The eye ball test. I did this on two real accounts this week build 600. The Bid and ask stayed the same.

Now on Build 600 they have some depth of market or domes for trading. Those should not be in Metatrader unless we have .. aggregated Bids and Asks.

This is when ockham's razor Slapped me silly .... They are the same data source . which is metaquotes. and they are showing . ... aggregated Bids and Asks. I need 2 test this but have not had time Fixing type casting Crap..... Look.... A Requote or off quote would then be a order sent off a aggregated bids and ask.and the bank at the firm you were dealing with would not take the order. The real bid and ask was some place ekes, .... A great desk will never re quote you.

Part of the re quote problem is that Metatrader only sends fill or Kill Orders. , But this should not hurt until you eat up a liquidity level , Then you must break then order into parts so they provider does not move. Yes their is a limited amount of liquidity at certain levels at banks

In summary we are dealing with a company that designed a sneaky upgrade. Hides the Software, Hides, liquidity Issues, Could be hiding bid and asks. though arrogating . and designed . Their initial platform off some one else IP, This is not 2 say I am going 2 stop using metatrader or hate forex. Metatrader. Just understand you what you are dealing with. I am happy now that I feel like I understand. I never have troubles with IBFX and I was just testing other desks because in Canada they dropped Canadian clients ... Ir Just so happened that This upgrade came out during that resting ..... I have spent WAY WAY 2 much time on this topic and upgrade. I am not even going 2 proof this email so hopefully it makes since
  • #260
  • Feb 11, 2014 11:09am Feb 11, 2014 11:09am
Oh one more item note the data of the news http://forexmagnates.com/metaquotes-...ook-zulutrade/ and the deata of the files. in the renamed .png file
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