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  • #56,721
  • Edited 9:39am Aug 18, 2013 8:54am | Edited 9:39am
Quoting sonicdeejay
I am very convinced that Gold has bottomed,,,as long as the following conditions held. 1. Big Vol with wide bar spotted.. Possibly Buyers with deep pockets started to accumulated from panic herds. 2. 2 wave of big vol, with price down, to depress further.. 3. Extreme Shake Out...but ends with bullish engulfing candle.. 4. First support of Higher Low spotted... Keep Staking... Sonic {image}
Gold

Up and down. This is what it has been doing,......while making progress downwards more and more! The bottom and reversal? Or, just the beginning of another pull up, a retrace in the established larger trend down?

Sonic, your chart (pic. 1) does not have the aid of PVSRA, however, did you notice that from the area of #'s 2-3, as the price direction changed and started up, that the volume has been decreasing? Perhaps when the price gets higher, the volume will increase again, but if that happens then it might well turn out to be just another retrace in the down trend.

Now, with the aid of PVSRA (pic. 2) we see the big boys push up volume, followed by a spinning top day candle. This could be Pump & Dump time. Also, note that all this culminates in the area of the 89 ma, which is the "traditional" forex market divider between bullish and bearish "market sentiment". Yes, all just a bunch of bull shit, but a lot of traders put stock in that. So, one has to be suspicious that the MMs hiked the price while closing out longs and loading up shorts,....hiked the price up to this "traditional" line in the sand area so that other longs would hold out in the hopes of a breakout upwards, and maybe even add more longs. This is something the bear MMs (if they are bears) would love as a reaction to their pump,....more longs coming in! Just means more liquidity for any bear MMs to continue to close longs and open shorts.

Up or down from here? Who knows? But M1 PVSRA (pic. 3) is indicating the MMs are bears, most recently pushing up price above the 3/4 SR to do their most heavy trading, selling, and then selling more bringing the price down off the highs achieved. Pump & Dump. The secret to using volume in analysis, is to use it on the smaller time frame charts, not the larger ones, not if you want a more accurate picture of what the MMs are doing real-time.

A Bit of Work Presented With Best Wishes That It Helps,
-tah
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  • #56,722
  • Aug 18, 2013 9:39am Aug 18, 2013 9:39am
I am begaining to wonder who is the real sonic master now?????

Gold bull vs bear !
  • #56,723
  • Aug 18, 2013 9:51am Aug 18, 2013 9:51am
Quoting trexy123
I am begaining to wonder who is the real sonic master now????? Gold bull vs bear !
Wonder all you want to.

Master Sonicdeejay is the master here, and always will be. He started this work. He has continued to lead by example, to encourage and teach by demonstration with his own trades, as much as his ever increasing workload and work responsibilities have allowed. He is sharing, kind and patient. He is on the trader's road, dealing with all that persevering traders deal with. And we are with him, for all of us Sonicers will experience it all, too. And many already have much to thank him for.

-tah
  • #56,724
  • Aug 18, 2013 9:54am Aug 18, 2013 9:54am
Tah,

That's the thanks I get for freely offering up a few ideas that could have helped to improve your system significantly! I should have known better and kept quiet...silly me Comes as no great surprise though because I dared to agree with someone who you happen to despise so much. By your own admission you have openly stated that you are currently sitting on 20,830 pips of current drawdown (net loss of all open PVSRA trades) WOW nice shooting TEX your bound to go far You might find this acceptable at the moment but just wait until you have 2 or 3 'loaded up' scout pairs that are on a march to freedom... and not for a week or two but months? KABOOM. Oh dear, well it was fun while it lasted I suppose...

The long and short of it is your so blinded by your 'little baby' that is PVSRA and you adoring fans who wait with baited breath on your every word that you cannot see 'The wood for the trees'. It was only recently that DmitryFX suggested an alternative approach to controlling drawdown. What were your comments...eh none, you either just missed it or you simply decided that it wasn't even worth a mention doh... That single one post had the possibility of reducing your drawdown by at least 80% if implemented properly...talk about 'looking a gift horse in the mouth geeze and I thought you sounded intelligent.

For what it is worth I will repeat this for any sane person who is interested and can see further than the 'gifted one'. It matters diddly squat whether you make your entries via PVSRA or any other method, hell random if you like the end result is you are AVERAGING DOWN...end of, there is no mystical edge in PVSRA or any other method come to that, they ALL amount to the same thing averaging down with 'x' amount of open positions. The trick is in controlling drawdown NOT the other way round. Do yourselves all a favour and concentrate your efforts more in this area rather than blindly following someone who obviously enjoys the sound of his own voice and glorifies in the cult following which is you.

Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it I care not and am out of here Bye

P.s Please don't bother to pm me as I am unqualified to give advice. Thank you.
  • #56,725
  • Aug 18, 2013 10:27am Aug 18, 2013 10:27am
Quoting Tymedu
{quote} It seems that you had not enough with a temporal ban xD
If twee had chosen he could have banned me outright, but he did not. Why is that?

He could have given me a warning in a PM, but he did not, why is that?

It is because I have called no one any names here, I have offered loyal opposition, that is all.

So, now, Sonic AND Twee have reviewed what I have written, and left me to continue.

That should tell you something, Ty.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #56,726
  • Aug 18, 2013 10:33am Aug 18, 2013 10:33am
Quoting wingate
Tah, That's the thanks I get for freely offering up a few ideas that could have helped to improve your system significantly! I should have known better and kept quiet...silly me Comes as no great surprise though because I dared to agree with someone who you happen to despise so much. By your own admission you have openly stated that you are currently sitting on 20,830 pips of current drawdown (net loss of all open PVSRA trades) WOW nice shooting TEX your bound to go far You might find this acceptable at the moment but just...



Yup! All I said was that they needed a better filter not that the system sucked. What did I get? He insulted right away. I guess hes just too sensitive and of course has no life but this thread. Its all he has got. He also has a bunch of people following his every move whoi probably dont have the same amount of cash to play with. This is not a system for everyone. I don't follow this system because its... NOT A SYSTEM! You can stare at a blank chart, watch trend run, assume price will turn and continue adding position the other way. Pretty simple.

Lets say Euro goes for another 300 pips up. How many will lose all there money?

I guess he is the smart one who is down 20,830 pips.
trading on demo is not trading
  • #56,727
  • Aug 18, 2013 10:35am Aug 18, 2013 10:35am
USD/CHF 4H symm. Cup Formation

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  • #56,728
  • Aug 18, 2013 10:41am Aug 18, 2013 10:41am
Quoting enzo2325
{quote} Yup! All I said was that they needed a better filter not that the system sucked. What did I get? He insulted right away. I guess hes just too sensitive and of course has no life but this thread. Its all he has got. He also has a bunch of people following his every move whoi probably dont have the same amount of cash to play with. This is not a system for everyone. I don't follow this system because its... NOT A SYSTEM! You can stare at a blank chart, watch trend run, assume price will turn and continue adding position the other...

It's not as many as you would like to think, enzo. After his tirade demanding that all true Sonicers place me on ignore, do you know how many did? Less than 20. People are listening. Averaging down has some merits, but the holy grail it is not even close to. There are ways to average and keep constructive, believe me. But this belief that tick volume is the answer is just plain ole ego.

Continue to post ideas as to how the DD can be mitigated. I know I will.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #56,729
  • Aug 18, 2013 10:41am Aug 18, 2013 10:41am
Quoting enzo2325
{quote} Yup! All I said was that they needed a better filter not that the system sucked. What did I get? He insulted right away. I guess hes just too sensitive and of course has no life but this thread. Its all he has got. He also has a bunch of people following his every move whoi probably dont have the same amount of cash to play with. This is not a system for everyone. I don't follow this system because its... NOT A SYSTEM! You can stare at a blank chart, watch trend run, assume price will turn and continue adding position the other...

Have you read enough pages in here? Show me where tah said that this is a trading system...he always told that it is a form of analysis of the market..not more...how you trade it is up to yourself...goddamn..
Why are so many people in here to be self proclaimed saviours to help all people not to lose all their money...Bring up your statistics of trades with your indicator-overloaded "system" ( reminds me of reading the technical analysis fallacy thread again) and show us how good you are...
TWEE, revoke my membership.
  • #56,730
  • Aug 18, 2013 10:41am Aug 18, 2013 10:41am
The blind following the blind springs to mind...
  • #56,731
  • Aug 18, 2013 10:44am Aug 18, 2013 10:44am
indicators? who mentioned anything about indicators? did I miss something?
  • #56,732
  • Aug 18, 2013 10:45am Aug 18, 2013 10:45am
Quoting wingate
The blind following the blind springs to mind...
Not quite, wingate. The tah-ers have a point. They will make money for awhile. What we are trying to do is make the money and KEEP it. The Sonic R project is a big enough tent for everyone to be included, and you are welcome here also!
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #56,733
  • Aug 18, 2013 10:46am Aug 18, 2013 10:46am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Gold Up and down. This is what it has been doing,......while making progress downwards more and more! The bottom and reversal? Or, just the beginning of another pull up, a retrace in the established larger trend down? Sonic, your chart (pic. 1) does not have the aid of PVSRA, however, did you notice that from the area of #'s 2-3, as the price direction changed and started up, that the volume has been decreasing? Perhaps when the price gets higher, the volume will increase again, but if that happens then it might well turn out to be just...

Gold has probably bottomed ... for 2013. I guarantee you if/when it hits 1520-1550 range and the bears will tear it down once again. Gold will see $1000 again one day. It's possible that it doesn't though. I was expecting to see $1200-$1300 Gold and $18 silver. Now expecting $1000 and $15 maybe next year.
  • #56,734
  • Aug 18, 2013 10:55am Aug 18, 2013 10:55am
Guys, i see everyone saying that this system dont work, but i believe it is a tool, not a complete system yet, anyway, i found it extremely useful, thanks to Sonic and traderathome it exists, so i must say thanks for it.
The only thing missing is the real strategy, instead of "maybe" it will go down, but "it says it can go up too"
always one alternative, what about another indicators which analysis the volume and says if it goes down or up?
cheerz
  • #56,735
  • Aug 18, 2013 10:56am Aug 18, 2013 10:56am
Quoting Bartleby
{quote} Have you read enough pages in here? Show me where tah said that this is a trading system...he always told that it is a form of analysis of the market..not more...how you trade it is up to yourself...goddamn.. Why are so many people in here to be self proclaimed saviours to help all people not to lose all their money...Bring up your statistics of trades with your indicator-overloaded "system" ( reminds me of reading the technical analysis fallacy thread again) and show us how good you are...
The Difference Is PVSRA!

wingate,

Not just averaging down, but having the insight to know where to best do it!
Do it when price moves one way, or wait until it moves the other; not a special or previously unknown idea. DmitryFX will confirm that for you.

That sounds very much like a system to me
  • #56,736
  • Aug 18, 2013 11:02am Aug 18, 2013 11:02am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} The Difference Is PVSRA! wingate, Not just averaging down, but having the insight to know where to best do it! Do it when price moves one way, or wait until it moves the other; not a special or previously unknown idea. DmitryFX will confirm that for you. Hedging is not a universal fix, not for Sonic R. anyway. You presented more in the way of support for Sonic R. System detractors, than anything new and of use. But to be fair, unfortunately giving the leash to you was necessary. The key here is PVSRA. It is what makes the difference. Some...
TAH, I am not sure should we prove smt to smb who doesn't want it...
About hedging I think it's not good idea because we never know when run for profits will be started and we can not to able to close hedging position.
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  • #56,737
  • Aug 18, 2013 11:03am Aug 18, 2013 11:03am
Quoting wingate
{quote} The Difference Is PVSRA! wingate, Not just averaging down, but having the insight to know where to best do it! Do it when price moves one way, or wait until it moves the other; not a special or previously unknown idea. DmitryFX will confirm that for you. That sounds very much like a system to me

It is a separate system. tah stopped using the rules to Sonic R, which are still posted on page one, long ago. I guess we are now at the point as to how to survive a catastrophic drawdown without the empty statement of "the cost of doing business".

I still say that when you reach a point of uncomfortable DD, begin to hedge. The trick after that will be to keep a sharp eye on the market to keep your hedge from getting you too.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #56,738
  • Aug 18, 2013 11:04am Aug 18, 2013 11:04am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Not quite, wingate. The tah-ers have a point. They will make money for awhile. What we are trying to do is make the money and KEEP it. The Sonic R project is a big enough tent for everyone to be included, and you are welcome here also!

Jmn5611,

I totally agree with what your saying Thanks for the kind offer but I am happy with where I am currently. Who knows maybe i'll check in once in a while to see how everyone's getting on

Baz
  • #56,739
  • Aug 18, 2013 11:21am Aug 18, 2013 11:21am
Quoting DmitryFX
{quote} TAH, I am not sure should we prove smt to smb who doesn't want it... About hedging I think it's not good idea because we never know when run for profits will be started and we can not to able to close hedging position. {image}
Arghhhhhhhhh What did I say...the blind leading the blind, unbelievable Dmitry have you not been paying attention this last 24 hours??? My advice to you is very simple, take a step back...forget about being led by the 'golden one' for a minute . Go back sloooooooooowly through your recent posts and you may just find the solution to a lot of your own self inflicted problems. Geeze i'm gradually loosing the will to live here

P.s Hedging is not for the faint hearted, it can be used to your advantage but it takes great skill. To be perfectly honest I do occasionally use it but it is always a 'work in progress' method for me.

Good luck
  • #56,740
  • Aug 18, 2013 11:23am Aug 18, 2013 11:23am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Wonder all you want to. Master Sonicdeejay is the master here, and always will be. He started this work. He has continued to lead by example, to encourage and teach by demonstration with his own trades, as much as his ever increasing workload and work responsibilities have allowed. He is sharing, kind and patient. He is on the trader's road, dealing with all that persevering traders deal with. And we are with him, for all of us Sonicers will experience it all, too. And many already have much to thank him for. -tah
TAH you trade opposite to your Master sonicdeejay?

are you trying to profit from our losses?
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