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  • #53,481
  • Jul 12, 2013 2:07pm Jul 12, 2013 2:07pm
Hello guys,
I have been following this thread for a while, I have combined the PVSR and VSA with fibonacci retracenemnts and major S&R and it's giving good results , I'm expecting EU to make new Highs before going to Sell as crazy; In detail I'm expecting EU to reach 1.326 level, making a gartley harmonic pattern on higher timeframes, then I expect price to go low to at least 1.2684, a 200 pips up and then 570 pips dowward move. I like using only 1 or 2 orders with setted SL and TP, so i can manage my risk, thats why I give exact levels.
Good piping .
  • #53,482
  • Jul 12, 2013 2:20pm Jul 12, 2013 2:20pm
Quoting monomonono
Hello guys, I have been following this thread for a while, I have combined the PVSR and VSA with fibonacci retracenemnts and major S&R and it's giving good results , I'm expecting EU to make new Highs before going to Sell as crazy; In detail I'm expecting EU to reach 1.326 level, making a gartley harmonic pattern on higher timeframes, then I expect price to go low to at least 1.2684, a 200 pips up and then 570 pips dowward move. I like using only 1 or 2 orders with setted SL and TP, so i can manage my risk, thats why I give exact levels. Good...
Dude please post a picture, open windows button then all programs then paint and make a bloddy picture.
There is no spoon....
  • #53,483
  • Edited Jul 13, 2013 2:20am Jul 12, 2013 3:27pm | Edited Jul 13, 2013 2:20am
Quoting Islander
{quote} I just passed by to check on the European close - a quiet day as I suggested earlier. Re: "Volume" I am in total agreement with TAH on this - if you look at my trades, the majority of my exits - banking profits - have a volume trigger
Hi, Sonicers.

Islander, could you please answer what exactly you mean saying "a volume trigger"? Colour? A bar size in comparison with the previous two?

By the way, the true volume (if needed) can be taken into consideration using the 6E futures (100% correlation to the EU spot) volume in the TOS.

The RESULT. I decided to have an experiment with the Sonic R System trading EU intraday only (all the positions are closed daily as soon as possible, none of positions in the market lasts for more than 24 hours). The result I have last week is as follows. Link below.

https://www.myfxbook.com/portfolio/alpari/636981
Hunting High and Low
  • #53,484
  • Jul 12, 2013 4:11pm Jul 12, 2013 4:11pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} {quote} {quote} {quote} {quote} Which One? Aha! I was patiently waiting for you to ask. The answer is simple. It works! I guess that means it is better than all the others.
Well played!

  • #53,485
  • Jul 12, 2013 5:37pm Jul 12, 2013 5:37pm
Quoting Msis125125
{quote} Dude please post a picture, open windows button then all programs then paint and make a bloddy picture.
Hello Msis125125, sorry I was on it, it's a little bit complicated to explain everything so I tried to make it as clear as possible, I made 5 pictures from bigger to lower time frame, the methods I use are valids on all TF, if anyone has a question I have used a number in the down left corner of each image. I expect you to go throught all pictures and explanations, they will really plain and become more complex as I add more indicators on them (Actually they are only trend lines), after reading everything go throught all pictures again and apply the same concepts you have learned and you will start seeing details that you haven't seen the first time. I'm still learning but I want to contribute and I will really appreciate some feedback.

In picture 1 you can see the big picture, its a 1D time frame of EU with a fibonacci of the last upward move, you can see how all the drown levels were important S&R before, this is to make clear what I expect in the long run, it is constrained that the gartley pattern works, all pattern are statistically important but they sometimes fail, thats why we use them as a big picture and manage our trades in smaller time frames (Entry, SL and TP).

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In picture 2 we zoomed to a 4H TF, you can see in the big fibo that the price has reacted with the gartley pattern levels, so if price reach the final up level we can expect a big down move, I have painted it so its easier to see; it is also seen that the 21.4-23.6 level its on an important S&R level and close ot a down trend line (This adds sell pressure). I have also painted the fibo retrace of the last up move, its 114 extension is used as TP and it's also last low in 1D TF.

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In picture 3 I have zommed the 4H and drawn some internal trend lines (ITL), ITL are drawn in zones with lots of hits, preferring price open/close than high/lows, as I will show in next picture they are really useful when looking for re entry in retest when the price has change trend, if more than 1 show then same price combined with big S&R it means an important trend reversal point, so if actually the Harmonic Pattern (HP) doesnt work as expected, price can reverse in the pink line above combined with 3 ITL. This lines were not drwn with detail, it was only to make an introduction about them, I prefer to draw them in 1H time frame, were I also start using Volume, I find the 4H good for making a zoom of 1D as it is different depending on the broker (Time Zone changes), thats why 1H are more exact (All brokers have almost the same 1H close time, it means we all see almost the same).

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In picture 4 I have drawn the ITL better, the purple ITL are for selling retest and the orange ones are for buying, as you can see they are used countertrend, in this picture you can actually start seeing how price works, they are really accurate. I have also plted the volume so we can analyse how it works on these levels and use it as confirmation (Price is driven by volume). I made black box for the first re-entry zones in the trend changes, the red boxes are retest of the sell ITL with an increase of volume. Generally when price goes downward it makes up flag pattern before continuing the down move, for expample if you zoom the first red box, you will see an up flag patttern with an upthrust, a classcal and good re entry short that is repeated almost always, another day I can post a more detailed example of this. What I wanted to show with this picture is how to use ITL.

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In picture 5 I make a zoom to 15M TF, we can see the last up move, in the left we can see an increase in BUY volume and also how price bounced and retested to buy in orange ITL, thwy are drawn in 1H TF so probably the lowest ITL shoeld be a little bit lower to fit the channel in the left, for a 1H entry it was precise enought. This picture will show how ITL work in lower time frames, its a little bit more complicated. Red downward lines are external trend Lines (ETL), we can see how price pass through after 3 (generally) or 4 touches, the black one is the next to be passed. As it was shown in previous post, we tought that price will continue down, our entries could be on brown ITL retest, we also had an SonicR sell, our initial TP should be the lower buy ITL, as it was combined in a levels that has also shown buy volume pressure. after price retraced we can see how it started bouncing in the buy ITLs, this is a good time for buying (also SonicR buy).

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After learning how to combine everything please go throught all charts again and apply this, also take into consideration that the sell zone shown in picture 1 may vary, I place a sell limit order but I will move it as I use ITL, fibo retracements and volume confirmation to find a good rice to sell.

I would really appreciate feedback as I'm still learning and probably missed some stuff.

Thanks.
  • #53,486
  • Jul 12, 2013 6:44pm Jul 12, 2013 6:44pm
Quoting monomonono
{quote} Hello Msis125125, sorry I was on it, it's a little bit complicated to explain everything so I tried to make it as clear as possible, I made 5 pictures from bigger to lower time frame, the methods I use are valids on all TF, if anyone has a question I have used a number in the down left corner of each image. I expect you to go throught all pictures and explanations, they will really plain and become more complex as I add more indicators on them (Actually they are only trend lines), after reading everything go throught all pictures again and...
I bet you know much more about price action than 90% folks in this thread. Its very funny see you asking for feedback. From my part totally agree with you...
  • #53,487
  • Jul 12, 2013 7:18pm Jul 12, 2013 7:18pm
Quoting monomonono
{quote} Hello Msis125125, sorry I was on it, it's a little bit complicated to explain everything so I tried to make it as clear as possible, I made 5 pictures from bigger to lower time frame, the methods I use are valids on all TF, if anyone has a question I have used a number in the down left corner of each image. I expect you to go throught all pictures and explanations, they will really plain and become more complex as I add more indicators on them (Actually they are only trend lines), after reading everything go throught all pictures again and...

This is some seriously heavy chart analysis. It looks good by chart logic even though I didn't understand half of it. But time will time I hope you are right. Good presentation by the way. Not Sonic R, but good!
There is no spoon....
  • #53,488
  • Jul 12, 2013 7:57pm Jul 12, 2013 7:57pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Joe, I have to say this. You are asking a stupid question! Have I not said that account mirrors some of the PVSRA trades I've made? Yes, I have. Now, I post all my trades, EU and all others too. Do you see that I have made enough EU trades since Jan. 11, 2013 to get those results? I think you should do more reading and thinking, and less asking of questions. Obviously, "No." to the first question. "No." to the second, too. -tah

The only stupid question, professor, is the one not asked. So, next question. If you used multiple pairs, and did not keep a position count, how did you keep an eye on your overall risk? Even seeds as small as the ones you used can turn into a bag of them at some point. Did this ever enter your mind?
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #53,489
  • Jul 12, 2013 8:46pm Jul 12, 2013 8:46pm
friends , Sonicers , Big analyzer ,

men I am drowning here

need help .
I am in this thread for about four months , and read every thing from the page no.1
every word every line ,
and I still have difficult to analysis chart by PVSRA , I see your analysis and compared it with mine I see my analysis not even close to the
right view that you are posted here .
I can trade using what your posted here , but I think it's not the right way to learn to trade and there is some one said "don't feed me a fish but learn me to fishing (hunting) it".
any one have an idea that could help me , please say it . any opinion, any word , Soonicdj , prof. sonicers , any body.
I'll waiting here ,
thanks a lot
  • #53,490
  • Jul 12, 2013 9:19pm Jul 12, 2013 9:19pm
Quoting monomonono
Hello guys, I have been following this thread for a while, I have combined the PVSR and VSA with fibonacci retracenemnts and major S&R and it's giving good results , I'm expecting EU to make new Highs before going to Sell as crazy; In detail I'm expecting EU to reach 1.326 level, making a gartley harmonic pattern on higher timeframes, then I expect price to go low to at least 1.2684, a 200 pips up and then 570 pips dowward move. I like using only 1 or 2 orders with setted SL and TP, so i can manage my risk, thats why I give exact levels. Good...
Your first statement makes no sense at all. PVSR? Never heard of it. VSA? We don't use it. Finally, one can never know when the MMs will stop moving price in one direction and start in another, so good luck. Frankly, it sounds all a waste of time and nothing at all like what we do here. Either get with the program and trade Classics and Scouts, or deposit on another thread, please.

Some others here might be impressed with your charts. I am not. I might be impressed with your trade results, but I don't see any. Folks here are here because they sense the Sonic R. System of Classic and Scout trades, qualified with PVSRA works. Some sense that it works better than anything else they have ever come across. If you have something good then you don't need us. You should open your own thread and be posting your predictions and expectations there, because here we are not going to fix what ain't broke!
  • #53,491
  • Jul 12, 2013 9:26pm Jul 12, 2013 9:26pm
Quoting monomonono
{quote} Hello Msis125125, sorry I was on it, it's a little bit complicated to explain everything so I tried to make it as clear as possible, I made 5 pictures from bigger to lower time frame, the methods I use are valids on all TF, if anyone has a question I have used a number in the down left corner of each image. I expect you to go throught all pictures and explanations, they will really plain and become more complex as I add more indicators on them (Actually they are only trend lines), after reading everything go throught all pictures again and...

Quoting monomonono
Hello guys, I have been following this thread for a while, I have combined the PVSR and VSA with fibonacci retracenemnts and major S&R and it's giving good results. I'm expecting EU to make new Highs before going to Sell as crazy; In detail I'm expecting EU to reach 1.326 level, making a gartley harmonic pattern on higher timeframes, then I expect price to go low to at least 1.2684, a 200 pips up and then 570 pips dowward move. I like using only 1 or 2 orders with setted...
There is no need for these kind of complicated and time consuming chart analysis. This will only distract you from making money. If I read these kind of stuff I am happy doing ‘’only” PVSRA, and that loaded my brain more than enough .
  • #53,492
  • Jul 12, 2013 9:34pm Jul 12, 2013 9:34pm
Quoting cori
friends , Sonicers , Big analyzer , men I am drowning here need help . I am in this thread for about four months , and read every thing from the page no.1 every word every line , and I still have difficult to analysis chart by PVSRA , I see your analysis and compared it with mine I see my analysis not even close to the right view that you are posted here . I can trade using what your posted here , but I think it's not the right way to learn to trade and there is some one said "don't feed me a fish but learn me to fishing (hunting)...
no need to analyze friend no need dragon no need volume no need entry system, you only need enough balance for drawdown micro account or nano account its better, its everaging system aka pvrsa, random entry

have a nice weekend all , cheerss
  • #53,493
  • Jul 12, 2013 9:45pm Jul 12, 2013 9:45pm
PVSRA question.
in one minute the eur droped 40 pips with heavy volume. And then the price clim back but did not see any selling volume. What the MMs do?No idea what happened here.

And from H4 chat the EUR rised sharply, and currently it is finishing a complex pull back. I also preferred it will continue to rise.
But on the 5min chart there is some clue that there are some selling volume, is they are building short positions?

A kind of conflict. Anyone can help to clear my analysis?
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  • #53,494
  • Edited 10:18pm Jul 12, 2013 10:01pm | Edited 10:18pm
Quoting cori
friends , Sonicers , Big analyzer , men I am drowning here need help . I am in this thread for about four months , and read every thing from the page no.1 every word every line , and I still have difficult to analysis chart by PVSRA , I see your analysis and compared it with mine I see my analysis not even close to the right view that you are posted here . I can trade using what your posted here , but I think it's not the right way to learn to trade and there is some one said "don't feed me a fish but learn me to fishing (hunting)...
If you are having difficulty, you are not alone. Here is a PM I received:

"Thanx tah ;
may you please gimme more details ? i have read thru posts but i can't figure out how to be on the bull side / bear side of the chart ? i mean : how you use volume/price action to get biased to buy/sell ? it will be so fine if you just guide me to the real important posts where i read in details .. thanx tah"

When you, the person that sent the PM, and anyone else have read everything, and I mean everything, then the only choices left are....
1. Stay with the thread and keep on reading until it starts to come together for you.
2. Go elsewhere and try something else.
3. Quit.
  • #53,495
  • Edited 11:27pm Jul 12, 2013 10:04pm | Edited 11:27pm
Quoting jasakreatif
{quote} no need to analyze friend no need dragon no need volume no need entry system, you only need enough balance for drawdown micro account or nano account its better, its everaging system aka pvrsa, random entry have a nice weekend all , cheerss
jasakratif,

By this belligerent post you are mocking every painstaking effort put forth by serious Sonicers to further their own progress and the progess of others. When have you done anything here to help others in a meaningful way consistent with the Sonic R. System? Most of your posts fall into one of two catagories: 1) self-promoting or 2) demeaning others.

I am pointing this out to Master Sonicdeejay with the hopes he will finally do something about it because I have had enough of seeing your kind of postings, without any serious attempt on your part to become a Sonicer and contribute.

-traderathome
  • #53,496
  • Edited 11:25pm Jul 12, 2013 10:45pm | Edited 11:25pm
Quoting followtr
PVSRA question. in one minute the eur droped 40 pips with heavy volume. And then the price clim back but did not see any selling volume. What the MMs do?No idea what happened here. And from H4 chat the EUR rised sharply, and currently it is finishing a complex pull back. I also preferred it will continue to rise. But on the 5min chart there is some clue that there are some selling volume, is they are building short positions? A kind of conflict. Anyone can help to clear my analysis? {image} {image} {image}
PVSRA, EU: Bulls or Bears?

Look at that event more closely on M15 and M1, particularly M1.

M15 shows bar up on notable volume and bar back down on extreme volume. What could be more simple? Pump (inexpensively), Dump (as much as they could!). I don't even see an M15 chart as part of your analysis!

M1 shows that even of the volume for the up bar, much of it was when the price was taken up thru the 3/4 SR and before the Dump occurred. The highest amount of the M15 up bar volume was actually volume that occurred at the highs, around and above the 3/4 SR.

Subjectively, the entire area consisting of the half number and +/- 20-30 pips is suitable for the MMs to build, and they used it. When they decided, they pumped the price to highs again (in the off hours of the market when it was easiest to do) so they could engage in extreme selling without driving the price too low on themselves, i.e., below previous lows.

Frankly, if you cannot see this then you are not taking seriously your learning of PVSRA and how and why the market moves the way it does. The analysis is only as good as the effort you put into it. Just saying, "Gee, I don't get it." isn't going to work. Overall, it is simple and it is effective. and it should be done primarily on M15 and M1. We don't spoon feed here (though my labors sometimes seem to be). If you can't do the analysis that is PVSRA on M15 and M1 and eventually come to understand if the MMs are bulls or bears, then either:

1. Put more effort into learning PVSRA, and how and why the MMs move market prices the way they do.
2. Don't do this analysis and do some different, less effective form of analysis instead.
3. Go elsewhere and load up your chart with a bunch of indicators to tell you what the market is going to do next.
4. Quit.
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  • #53,497
  • Jul 12, 2013 10:49pm Jul 12, 2013 10:49pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} If you are having difficulty, you are not alone. Here is a PM I received: "Thanx tah ; may you please gimme more details ? i have read thru posts but i can't figure out how to be on the bull side / bear side of the chart ? i mean : how you use volume/price action to get biased to buy/sell ? it will be so fine if you just guide me to the real important posts where i read in details .. thanx tah" When you, the person that sent the PM, and anyone else have read everything, and I mean everything, then the only choices left are.... 1. Stay...

I'll refuse the second point , and agree about the other two point .
Thank you very much , for your replay ,
and I try to post my view on a chart , and I hope you will correct me if I am wrong , I'll appreciate that very much .

thanks a lot for your great effort that is obvious in this thread .
you still a great teacher
  • #53,498
  • Edited 11:49pm Jul 12, 2013 11:34pm | Edited 11:49pm
Quoting MichaelKiske
{quote} TAH thanks for your comment ... I'm a big fan of yours ... Referring to AJ, this last volume below the 90.00 not indicate Bulls ?? {image}
There is "stopping" volume and there is "stop the drop" volume. Do you know what they are? Do you know what they mean? How do you tell one from the other?

And really, how could you miss the most important clue on the chart? Look at that volume! And why do you think the MMs so quickly resurrected the price? You need to spot such clues and ask such questions if you are going to improve your PVSRA and your understanding of how and why the MMs move market prices the way they do.

Finally, if you really wanted to know, instead of posting when you did you should have waited out the day to see if there were more clues......
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  • #53,499
  • Jul 12, 2013 11:46pm Jul 12, 2013 11:46pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} There is "stopping" volume and there is "stop the drop" volume. Do you know what they are? Do you know what they mean? How do you tell one from the other? And really, how could you miss the most important clue on the chart? Look at that volume! And why do you think the MMs so quickly resurrected the price? You need to spot such clues and ask such questions if you are going to improve your PVSRA and your understanding of how and why the MMs move market prices the way they do. {image} {image}
Hum .. interesting .... I do not know the difference .... I thought this high volume below a whole number always meant Bulls...
Please, can you explain me the difference?
Thank you for your tremendous contribution
Good weekend
Sorry my bad English - My native language is Portuguese-BR
  • #53,500
  • Jul 13, 2013 12:03am Jul 13, 2013 12:03am
Sonicers,

I post my trades. That in itself is an effort. I try to answer what I consider important and worthy questions, which is more effort. When it comes to answering questions that shouldn't be asked because they are already answered if folks would but read the thread, or if folks would be more patient and let the market show them, I am growing weary.

At some point I get frustrated with the apparent lack of reading and effort on the part of others that seem to consider my time as worthless as their own. I say their time is worthless based on their lack of effort to read and learn, based on the kind of questions they ask. Under these circumstances, if I become rude I will not apologize for it. I figure these folks can put the same time into become better traders as I have. Their options are:

1. Shut up and put their time into reading and thinking, instead of querying others for spoon fed answers.
2. Go ask their questions on another thread.
3. Quit.

At this point, I think I my response in the future to many questions will be, "Sorry, I don't spoon feed." I could just not answer some questions. That is an option, but it would not convey to the other person that the information they seek is already provided somewhere, and that they need to be a more diligent reader and,....find it, read it, learn it.

-tah
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