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  • #47,621
  • Apr 29, 2013 7:31am Apr 29, 2013 7:31am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} EU Short Trade: Added short trade #2, a Sonic Scout based on MMs hiking price to last Thursday highs with higher trading levels once price achieved the S&R 3/4 level. {image}
EU Short Trade:

Added short trade #3, a Sonic Scout based on MMs moving price above whole number S&R followed by extremely heavy trading (M1 confirmed PVSRA) indicating they are bears hiking price to short.
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  • #47,622
  • Apr 29, 2013 7:32am Apr 29, 2013 7:32am
thank you and now after that I read it it is as i think it is bear time
  • #47,623
  • Apr 29, 2013 7:46am Apr 29, 2013 7:46am
Quoting sonicdeejay
{quote} Does the price looks like going down to you?? If I wanna short, it better show me lower high at least... Sonic {image}


TRADE WHAT U SEE....
  • #47,624
  • Edited 8:08am Apr 29, 2013 7:50am | Edited 8:08am
Quoting irfanhashim
{quote} TRADE WHAT U SEE....
TRADE WHAT U SEE

I know what you mean, irfanhashim, but that is a two edged sword. For example, a trader can look at a chart, see PA and trade it. Or, a trader can do the analysis (PVSRA) to determine if the MMs are bulls or bears. Now, armed with that information, a trader can trade what they then see!

So, the question is,..... trade with less information about your opponent, or more?

Armed with the information from a PVSRA, I had the confidence to build my short position near the tops of PA wave cycles as the MMs drove price up. Price has now started back down. Had I not done what I did, and instead if I were to start to build my short position by waiting for the PA waves to cycle down it is extemely unlikely I would be able to achieve the same high average that I do have.

The question is if PVSRA is all that reliable. Yes, it is if done carefully and repeatedly. This I have been demonstrating for four weeks now.

-tah
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  • #47,625
  • Apr 29, 2013 7:58am Apr 29, 2013 7:58am
JRissa just mentioned it and TAH has also referred to it but just to reflect on a ahah moment for this newcomer, this is all about micro positioning. I very much like this contrarian idea of what I have always been told (not to double down/add to a losing position), its in my nature and obviously is giving some great results. 'In depth and thoughtful evaluation required' should be the warning on the side of the package though. So for all new to the thread (me) micros are the order of the day for PVSRA. No criticism intended at all.
My macro perspective for what its worth is the AUD had been oversold vis a vis the up coming rate cut (May 7th i think) and the JPY has much further devaluation to go. Something to watch, good AJ micro entries last night.


TP does not get as much attention as EP's, more evaluation of that would be a good thing for me. I'm see pretty much most of the entry considerations are used for TP, SR combined with price and volume, whole/half #'s, I also use major fibs and weekly pivots, keep an eye on them for volume evaluation.


I feel a bit like China's middle class going straight to mobile phones having missed all the telegraph wires!!!...(starting with PVSRA and not knowing too much about the DRAGON), but results are all that matter, most of my evaluation I'm sure is still 'imagined' at this time, with more confidence I will post a chart or two.



Appreciate a great group of contributors and authors, thanks.
  • #47,626
  • Apr 29, 2013 7:59am Apr 29, 2013 7:59am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} TRADE WHAT U SEE I know what you mean, irfanhashim, but that is a two edged sword. For example, a trader can look at a chart, see PA and trade it. Or, a trader can do the analysis (PVSRA) to determine if the MMs are bulls or bears. Now, armed with that information, a trader can trade what they then see! So, the question is,..... trade with less information about your opponent, or more?


I want you to be more nimble... you may the nature of the game well and know your risks, but I do not want other sonikers to jump the guns and ends up with multiplying losses when the price turn against the positions...

I am here long enough to see the "rise and fall" of once very famous Brian John's carry trade thread..
On its hey-day, there were few hundred traders viewing the thread any moment and now it is sitting silently in recycle bin..
I cannot let this happen to Sonic R...



WHAT u thing TAH, HOW is following the tread , MILLON DOLLER TRADERS, CENTRAL BANK


80% are the newbies.... make it SONIC if u can........

building position is all against the SONIC R... U KNOW what R meanxxxx


make that...

dont move towrds the death of this system
  • #47,627
  • Edited 8:39am Apr 29, 2013 8:12am | Edited 8:39am
Quoting irfanhashim
{quote} I want you to be more nimble... you may the nature of the game well and know your risks, but I do not want other sonikers to jump the guns and ends up with multiplying losses when the price turn against the positions... I am here long enough to see the "rise and fall" of once very famous Brian John's carry trade thread.. On its hey-day, there were few hundred traders viewing the thread any moment and now it is sitting silently in recycle bin.. I cannot let this happen to Sonic R... WHAT u thing TAH, HOW is following the tread , MILLON...
The Scout is the Death of This System?

You're either kidding, or you are dense. Newbies can learn any method if it is taught well and repeatedly. The Scout trade was introduced by Master Sonicdeejay, not me. I just discovered a way to make it exceedingly profitable. And anyone of average intelligence or above can learn it.

PVSRA is a wonderful manner of analysis of price, volume and S&R. Done well, the analysis will reveal if the MMs are bulls or are bears. This information can be used more reliably than anything else in trading! It can help traders to select the better Classic trades and to make better entries with Scout trades.

Irfanhashim, what you are suggesting is that most Sonicers are too stupid to learn something new and that trading on the results of PVSRA has higher risk. I disagree on both accounts. As I said, anyone with average intellilgence or above can learn PVSRA. And then trading on that information is not higher risk, it is lower risk because it is trading in the same direction as are the biggest trading concerns in the market.

This isn't the trader's Holy Grail, because it isn't perfect. We cannot know when the market will stop pushing price to draw in traders so the market can build positions in the oppposite direction. If we knew that, we would have the long sought Holy Grail of Trading. We don't and so trading this way must be done in recognition of that unkown, and positions need to be very, very, very light relative to account size while learning it. Shoot lots of small bullets instead of one large bullet.

Worriesome preoccupation with drawdown is a waste of time. With proper money management and sizing of positions drawdown can be embraced rather than feared!

BTW, Brian John you refer to did not have the benefit of knowing and using PVSRA!

-tah
  • #47,628
  • Apr 29, 2013 8:17am Apr 29, 2013 8:17am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} The Scout is the Death of This System? You're either kidding, or you are dense. Newbies can learn any method if it is taught well and repeatedly. The Scout trade was introduced by Master Sonicdeejay, not me. I just discovered a way to make it exceedingly profitable. And anyone of average intelligence or above can learn it. -tah
Professor..

Just help me remind again and again the double edged swords nature of the PVSRA..to the new fellas..



Sonic
  • #47,629
  • Apr 29, 2013 8:18am Apr 29, 2013 8:18am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} TRADE WHAT U SEE I know what you mean, irfanhashim, but that is a two edged sword. For example, a trader can look at a chart, see PA and trade it. Or, a trader can do the analysis (PVSRA) to determine if the MMs are bulls or bears. Now, armed with that information, a trader can trade what they then see! So, the question is,..... trade with less information about your opponent, or more? Armed with the information from a PVSRA, I had the confidence to build my short position near the tops of PA wave cycles as the MMs drove price up. Price...
the QUESTION ABOUT not about the fact.... PVSRA is right or wrong...

offcouse its fantastic...


QUESTION IS, is this the SONIC R...... does the key factory of R system dragon trend line.. and thing counts..

im not just want the explanation of classic and advance(scout)



here this question is for SONIC.... is this the
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  • #47,630
  • Apr 29, 2013 8:18am Apr 29, 2013 8:18am
irfanhashim

im a long time follower of this thread , and i don't think TAH is doing something wrong , he don't give trading advices , he just explain how he look at things .... he never forced someone to believe .... don't worry about newbies anyway they will diseapear because they don't want to learn , they don't want to work , they are just dreaming at making easy money ...
they think that reading a PDF or a book during week end and starting monday morning they will make millions ..... its not like this , it takes years of hard work ,
this is exactly what TAH is doing , now everyone here has to work , to understand , to adapt , but anyway i don't understand why you decide to put yourself in the Judge seat , to make comments on TAH .
Show us that is wrong with evidences .... not just words .....
95% traders fail and they are doing exactlly the opposite of TAH ( no scale in , no scale out , one entry per signal... and they fail ..... so i don't know but may be TAH is on the right path ...)

with respect

Landsat
Logic will take you from A to B Imagination will take you anywhere (A.E)
  • #47,631
  • Apr 29, 2013 8:18am Apr 29, 2013 8:18am
Quoting irfanhashim
{quote} I want you to be more nimble... you may the nature of the game well and know your risks, but I do not want other sonikers to jump the guns and ends up with multiplying losses when the price turn against the positions... I am here long enough to see the "rise and fall" of once very famous Brian John's carry trade thread.. On its hey-day, there were few hundred traders viewing the thread any moment and now it is sitting silently in recycle bin.. I cannot let this happen to Sonic R... WHAT u thing TAH, HOW is following the tread , MILLON...

Dude..

Have some respect to a sonic r founder..TAH..If u have doubt, read post 1 and page 1..
There are no beef between me & TAH, and our friendship gone beyond sonic r...


Sonic
  • #47,632
  • Apr 29, 2013 8:23am Apr 29, 2013 8:23am
Nice double top... Weekly Bar was bearish, so it is possibly profitable to be a BEAR..

More confirmation will appear once 127.8x break..

Sonic
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  • #47,633
  • Apr 29, 2013 8:23am Apr 29, 2013 8:23am
Quoting sonicdeejay
{quote} Dude.. Have some respect to a sonic r founder..TAH..If u have doubt, read post 1 and page 1.. There are no beef between me & TAH, and our friendship gone beyond sonic r... Sonic


PARDON ME MASTER...


TAH IS FANTASTIC TRADER...... i was just saying newbies like me get too much confuse


PARDON ME AGAIN.




PROF , TAH pardon me if u heart.... i posted what I feel...
  • #47,634
  • Edited 8:42am Apr 29, 2013 8:28am | Edited 8:42am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} TRADE WHAT U SEE I know what you mean, irfanhashim, but that is a two edged sword. For example, a trader can look at a chart, see PA and trade it. Or, a trader can do the analysis (PVSRA) to determine if the MMs are bulls or bears. Now, armed with that information, a trader can trade what they then see! So, the question is,..... trade with less information about your opponent, or more? Armed with the information from a PVSRA, I had the confidence to build my short position near the tops of PA wave cycles as the MMs drove price up. Price...

I like Professor's confidence..

Sonic
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  • #47,635
  • Apr 29, 2013 8:43am Apr 29, 2013 8:43am
WHAT NOW....??
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  • #47,636
  • Apr 29, 2013 8:45am Apr 29, 2013 8:45am
Quoting sonicdeejay
{quote} Professor.. Just help me remind again and again the double edged swords nature of the PVSRA..to the new fellas.. Sonic
Yes, Master Sonicdeejay, what you imply is absolutely correct and vitally important. So let me put it in my own words......

......Sonicers, if you screw up the PVSRA, and build a position that is wrong, you are screwed!
  • #47,637
  • Apr 29, 2013 8:48am Apr 29, 2013 8:48am
Hi i got a question on PVSRA on EUR/USD (lets use it as the example)

As what Prof Tah, JRRissa been posting today , the MM are seems to be BEAR but they are pushing price above whole number to add more short.

My question is

For PVSRA, how do I know when to exit my entry / take profit.

I also been reading the 69 pages PDF that is compiled by jacky. Will try pickup PVSRA asap and contribute here.
Trading is something special.
  • #47,638
  • Apr 29, 2013 8:48am Apr 29, 2013 8:48am
Quoting JRissa
{quote} EU scout short #3 Based on PVSRA on 1min chart. 15min chart starting to look like forming Sonic R short. Daily chart upper trendline touch. {image} {image} {image}
Trade what you see

Added EU scout short #4 at 1.3108 just before taking a ride with my Harley...

And now, after Harley ride, I see pump and dump move on 5min chart on EU

Master Sonicdeejay is right that this way of trading needs to be approached much differently than the Classic Sonic R way. I've also said it many times that For most highest propability trade; first determine if MM's are bulls or bears, after that, wait for proper Sonic R setup to form!

My entries are mostly based on PVSRA like Professor TAH's entries. I'm trying to learn and teach PVSRA here
Nobody should blindly follow this way, but hopefully this will help people to learn to read market.

Sorry Master Sonicdeejay if you feel this is causing any harm here...

Trade well people!


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  • #47,639
  • Apr 29, 2013 8:51am Apr 29, 2013 8:51am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Yes, Master Sonicdeejay, what you imply is absolutely correct and vitally important. So let me put it in my own words...... ......Sonicers, if you screw up the PVSRA, and build a position that is wrong, you are screwed!
yes, but as the entries are built one by one, then that would not be a bad entry would be many bad entries, and that also more difficult to occur.

(It could be said that basically there is no entry SonicR bad, just premature - just kidding )
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  • #47,640
  • Apr 29, 2013 8:55am Apr 29, 2013 8:55am
Quoting irfanhashim
WHAT NOW....?? {image}
What Now?

Maybe the MMs are stopping the drop....want one more time to coax longs in so the MMs can add more shorts? If so, the MMs don't want to let price go too low and scare longs off and existing longs into closing! Let's see what happens.
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