Sonic R. System

What TF do You use to trade?

OK, you are making some pips by scalping, but this is not SonicR system.

hansma, Can you explain please?

no. I don't scalp ). I combine sonic R with ichimoku on all Time Frame

Look at the sequences price makes. as I have stated numerous times.

7 pips for Eur/Usd and Aud/Usd and13 pips on Gbp/Usd.


Regards,

H.

Hansma Has It!

Hansma,

Just keep hammering it home. Progress seems slow to be accepted by most (how well I know, as you well know!). It is a valid and very astute observation you have been contributing well ahead of PVSRA. It is an excellent component fpr PVSRA.

PVSRA is intended to:
1. Analyze Price bars when high volume shows - are the bars lower or higher than before, and has PA generally been drifting upwards or downwards, etc.
2. Analyze Volume - simply spot when volume is relatively higher.
3. Analyze Price and Volume relative to S&R - once 1. and 2. exist, where is it all happening relative to whole, half (and even quarter number) natural S&R levels.

Now, your observation, which I love, is an excellent inclusion into the 3. analysis, because the top/bottom boundaries of "pip thresholds" are also very precise S&R levels, just like whole and half numbers.

So, I encourage you to keep on keeping on illustrating the validity of your excellent and astute observation, which you have been hammering on for quite some time. Eventually more and more "Doubting Thomases" will convert.

-tah

hansa & TAH Thanks

The information you seek is already contained within:

1. Volume indicator User Notes.
2. My posts (trades using PVSRA and other "Comment" posts on PVSRA).

Another PVSRA Lesson: YEN Pairs, MMs Bulls or Bears?

Using PVSRA to Determine if the MMs are Bulls or Bears
Lets apply some PVSRA to AJ as an example. First, look at the H1 standard zoom chart where you will note the TL and the yellow area. Next, let us zoom in for a closer look using the second H1 chart. On the second, zoomed in chart, we still see the TL and now the specific candles within the yellow area are easier to distinguish and have been re-marked into two yellow areas. What do we see here?

1. The first blue (bull rising volume) candle is relatively small, yet with relatively high volume. This indicates "stopping" volume, which is another way of saying the MMs are selling at the highs, which makes them bears. And, as we clearly see, they kept right on selling, such that the next purple (bear climax) candle is large and with even higher relative volume, proving the the MMs are indeed bears and heavily selling! As a side note, notice all this is happening above a whole number, which is where MMs prefer to close longs/open shorts. Finally, note this started happening after the MMs hiked the price above the TL, which amounts to the bear MMs faking longs (buyers) into the market so the MMs could be sellers!

2. In the second yellow area we see two blue candles, both striking up into the area above the whole number again (Clue! Clue! Clue!), and again on increasing high relative volumes! This indicates once more the MMs are bears and are hiking the price to again sucker in longs so the bear MMs can short! You will even notice one candle, following those marked in yellow, struck above the upper half number. This candle seems insignificant in volume, but it is bearish engulfing. Don't get sidetracked into the study of individual candles, as that is not what is intended. What is intended is that you come to appreciate that any configuration candle that might have struck up thru the half number might include a single MM order, or group of MM orders, representing tens of millions of currency being sold off at a perfect time and price to do so!

3. Also, note that PA is most recently tending to be kept above the TL. Is this some sort of coincidence? No! This is intentional by the bear MMs to foster the impression of bullishness in order to continue to sucker in longs! The more long traders that are tricked in by this deceipt, the more liquidity is provided to the MMs to get more of their own short orders filled, and at these very high prices!

Position Building
With PVSRA it is easy to determine if MMs are bulls or bears. What we can never know, no matter what and how many indicators are added to a chart, is when the MMs will have completed building their positions and initiate the "Run for Profits". This is another reason it makes sense to build a position right along with the MMs instead of guessing on all of the "good looking setups" into which you invest your entire trade size in one single shot!

The natural evolution in trading that is suggested by PVSRA is to make a downsized shot on these "good looking setups" and then stand ready to add addtional parts to your trades as the MMs (who are on the same side of the trades as you are) work prices to their advantage, building their own positions. You build yours as they build theirs! The fact is that most good looking setups do not straight away run good. Most of them have "pullbacks" before finally running good. This means that by building a position you will most of the time end up with a better average EP than for a single shot entry, and have smaller drawdowns, not larger ones!

PVSRA, is it Different From, or Part of, the Sonic R. System?
If you have read the above, you know the answer. PVSRA is a method of analysis used within the Sonic R. System, to determine if MMs are bulls or bears, and so to be more confident of the direction of Classic setups to trade. Certainly, by knowing if the MMs are bulls or bears, the improved use of Scout trades is possilble, too.

SonicR Indicators & Templates
Until such time as the next upgrade is release, be advised that Post #1, link #1 is to the latest released TAH indicators and templates, which are totally adequate. I suggest you use them and only them. Nothing else is needed, moreover anything else just adds clutter to your charts and nothing of further value, because how MMs will move prices cannot be predicted by indicators that are nothing more than mathematical derivatives of PRICE itself. If we cannot "predict" using PRICE (and we can't), then it is folly (no, it is complete stupidity) to think that inventing a derivative of PRICE will change anything! Volume is the ONLY indicator, other than PRICE, that is not a derivative of PRICE. This is why PVSRA works! It uses PRICE, VOLUME and S&R, which are the three most important datum in trading. Nothing else adds, only detracts. Believe it or not. Take it or leave it. BTW, when I speak of PVSRA I do not imply any predicting of where price goes next. That can never be done reliably. I speak of knowing whether bull or bear MMs are behind current price movements. That is as close to the Trader's Holy Grail as we will ever be.

Hope This Helps,
-tah

This helps very much, thanks

JRissa, Sir Lancelot of the Round Table of Sonicers!

Excellent PVSRA. Excellent PRICE, VOLUME and S&R analysis! Excellent, excellent, excellent!

When Sir JRissa lifts his helmet and walks away, the MMs will lay like litter on the field of battle!

-tah

Early New Day Notable GU Activity

Sydney is not even open yet, so who is responsible? Guess it really does not matter. What matters is this is indeed an indication some MM is frenetically working price up and down to build or rebuild a position! Today could become very interesting.

-tah

hi tah,
I am interested in SonicR , and thank you and all participant member , I read many threads you wrote but I still confused about how can I understanding and using SonicR , I need help from where I begin , thanks a lot for all

"With PVSRA it is easy to determine if MMs are bulls or bears. What we can never know, no matter what and how many indicators are added to a chart, is when the MMs will have completed building their positions and initiate the "Run for Profits". This is another reason it makes sense to build a position right along with the MMs instead of guessing on all of the "good looking setups" into which you invest your entire trade size in one single shot!"

Well said, did this resonate with me?

I think that this could be useful for the volume analisys......This is the EuroFX Future chart which shows TOTAL MARKET volume and currency futures has a 99% correlation with the EURUSD or any other currency pair. It can be seen in any timeframe.

Today is ANZAC Day ... both aussie and kiwi markets are closed...

who/what move the markets? everyone in the market are market participants....

is that true central banks trade against one another? true/false

how on earth can a person like George Soros cause so much troble for the GBP and for the Malaysian Ringgit?

What is Important, Volume Totals or Volume changes?

What we are trying to avoid, Amadeus8, is a plethora of information that must be extracted from outside MT4 and which isn't available thru all the better brokers. It leads to a disjointed, cumbersome, less reliable and certainly a less "transferrable" method. If a fledgling trader is handed an elegantly simple all-in-one trading method, with instructions and ongoing examples of use, then that trader can most easily learn to use it correctly. Do anything other than that and immediately the method becomes more difficult to "transfer" and more difficult for fledgling traders to learn to use correctly.

What we are trying to maintain is an elegantly simple and effective "all you need is right here" system. And we already have it.

For your information, total volumes are not required, and in fact are useless! What works is not total volumes, but being able to spot when relative changes in volume occur. The most important signal that comes out of volume is when it exhibits notable relative changes! The actual amounts of volume represented by volume bars is totally insignificant. When was the last time you or anyone else bothered to keep track of the ending volume count of volume bars? My guess is,.......
......never!

If you value that sort of total volume information, then I whole heartedly recommend you use it for a time, post trades based on it, and let us see how that works for you before actually endorsing the use of it.

-tah

1. Aussie, Kiwi markets closed? - Ok. And so a trader should do what, that the trader otherwise might not do?

2. Who/what moves the markets? Everyone in the market are market participants. - Big Money and only Big Money moves the markets (market makers, banks with trading desks, large hedge funds, central banks, etc, which I all paint brush with the term "MMs"). Not all participants are MMs. Certainly, we retailers are not!

3. Is that true central banks trade against one another? - Start a currency war? Yeah, happens to one degree or another at times, I suppose. However, who cares? We trade the chart.

4. How on earth can a person like George Soros cause so much troble for the GBP and for the Malaysian Ringgit? - Beats me, and frankly, I don't care. I'm busy trading!

GJ Short Trade:

Added short #4, Scout. MMs are driving up the price again, with high follow-on volumes, indicating the MMs continue to be bears that are raising prices to add shorts.

UChf Short Trade:

Entered short #1, Classic. M15 PVSRA is obvious.