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  • #46,361
  • Apr 16, 2013 7:49am Apr 16, 2013 7:49am
Quoting traderathome
UJ Short Trade: Entered short, a Scout based on price being popped above local SR with relative high trading during the event, indicating the MMs are bears. {image}
UJ Short Trade:

Added short trade #2, a Scout as price was moved above whole number on high trading.
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  • #46,362
  • Edited 8:38am Apr 16, 2013 8:08am | Edited 8:38am
Quoting California
@Sonic: Class = thinking of others. You have it in spades. @Tymedu: All that matters is what the market has already done. Not why it has done it. Not only is it unnecessary to intellectualize as to who was doing the buying/selling or why, but it can adversely alter the thought process when trading, such that one begins trading what they believe, not what they see. They may think "information is power" in trading, but ironically it is the reverse that is true. Most professionals sit down, read the "tape," and take the appropriate action when...
To Believe or not Believe

California, try yourself putting tens of thousands of hours into this thread before you criticize someone who has, or before complimenting emmanuel who drops in infrequently, all refreshed and also critical of someone who literally has slaved over this thread (yes, me), and who has continuously dealt with the repetative questions of others simply too lazy to properly study and read! California, folks like you and emmanuel that breeze in and out, all full of themselves and of their critical opinions of someone that actually works here, well you two make me sick! Believe me, this thread will still be here, and thriving, long after the insincere likes of the two of you have come and gone.

It is not important "who" is doing the price movement. Retailers don't move price, professional trading outfits including central banks do. So, I lump them all together in one term "MMs" simply to make it easy to refer to them, any or all of them, more easily when tryping.

Neither is it important "why" the MMs might be doing something. The result of news, result of no news, result of anything or nothing,.....what difference does it make? None at all.

What is important is the fact of movement and if it is being done by MMs that are bulls or bears. Once the determination is made if MMs are bulls or bears then a trader can better initiate the strategy for trading ongoing moves. Something so obvious should not have to be repeated in order to be understood, but years upon years of folks just assuming you cannot determine if the MMs are bulls or are bears has fostered the self-defeatist belief it isn't necessary to be able to do so, and that it is better that you don't even try. And some of these pillars of thought have written books as monuments to their ignorance.

Any trader can believe whatever they want to, and they can spout off the books written by others as substantiating their beliefs. Once everyone thought the world was flat, too.

-traderathome
  • #46,363
  • Apr 16, 2013 8:25am Apr 16, 2013 8:25am
Quoting DmitryFX
Master what do you think about this: {image}

let it cracks LWH (last week high) 1.314x level first..
I am holding long @ 1.308x

Sonic
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  • #46,364
  • Apr 16, 2013 8:31am Apr 16, 2013 8:31am
Quoting emmanuel7788
EJ trade 16 April: M15: 34EMA Dragon above 89EMA Thrend I trade the last H1 Inside bar breakout with entry on M15. Chart attached below: {image}

Why ur SL so tight??
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  • #46,365
  • Apr 16, 2013 8:36am Apr 16, 2013 8:36am
Quoting SCopier
long time no visit to this threat, how the development Sonicer? Happy Green Pips for all EJ: prepare for SHORT {image}
EJ: entered SHORT TP still open, not Sonic setup and my second trade will follow Sonic setup

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  • #46,366
  • Apr 16, 2013 8:54am Apr 16, 2013 8:54am
Quoting sonicdeejay
Why ur SL so tight?? {image}
Yes sir, your are right, my SL for this trade is really small considering the recent volatility of EJ.
I place my initial SL below the last small H1 inside bar and with a good breakout and continuation this may work for me.
My concern is ECB Draghi will be speaking again today and that is a huge risk for this trade. Yesterday he sunk the DJIA. Today I think he should not make the same mistake twice for Euro. LOL.

So I half my usual risk to just 1%. Should the breakout move in my favour, I intend to add after my TP1 and trade is BE.

regards,
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #46,367
  • Apr 16, 2013 9:19am Apr 16, 2013 9:19am
Hey there kind gents,

I've been a trader for several years, and I've had ups and downs. Sadly I still can't say that I'm consistent. I'm looking at Sonic as a better system to use. I know that I would have saved at least a few significant losses had I followed it thanks to Sonics posts elsewhere. Anyway, I'm a newbie here and with Sonic system. Where can I find the l template/indicators that Sonic uses? I see VSA and FFCAL. I even saw Sonic MACD ;-). Anyway, I'm really trying hard here, and I'm familiar with many concepts. I still think I have some key things to truly learn to make it. I can code so maybe I can help on this forum with that abit and give back.

Anyway, I just wanted to introduce myself. All the best and talk to you soon. Please forgive in advance when I need to ask simple questions about this system.

Thanks

Rich
  • #46,368
  • Apr 16, 2013 9:41am Apr 16, 2013 9:41am
Quoting rshoemake
Hey there kind gents, I've been a trader for several years, and I've had ups and downs. Sadly I still can't say that I'm consistent. I'm looking at Sonic as a better system to use. I know that I would have saved at least a few significant losses had I followed it thanks to Sonics posts elsewhere. Anyway, I'm a newbie here and with Sonic system. Where can I find the l template/indicators that Sonic uses? I see VSA and FFCAL. I even saw Sonic MACD ;-). Anyway, I'm really trying hard here, and I'm familiar with many concepts. I still think I...
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=114792
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  • #46,369
  • Apr 16, 2013 9:54am Apr 16, 2013 9:54am
Sonic R short trade on 5min chart EJ forming right now.
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I know the secret...
  • #46,370
  • Apr 16, 2013 10:28am Apr 16, 2013 10:28am
EURJPY LONG

EP 128.911
SL 127.152

TP1 129.516


Can I come out of Jail its boring here. And can someone so kind point me into where in this post I can find PVA volume indicator? At least in few hungered pages range, I read 700 pages and I cant anymore.

Thank you!
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  • #46,371
  • Edited 11:02am Apr 16, 2013 10:34am | Edited 11:02am
Quoting Msis125125
EURJPY LONG EP 128.911 SL 127.152 TP1 129.516 Can I come out of Jail its boring here. And can someone so kind point me into where in this post I can find PVA volume indicator? At least in few hungered pages range, I read 700 pages and I cant anymore. Thank you! {image}
Not yet posted. Wait for TAH's test of DST rollover.
Everything is possible!!! Step by Step...
  • #46,372
  • Apr 16, 2013 11:29am Apr 16, 2013 11:29am
Quoting traderathome
UChf Long Trade: Moments before the market closed, I added long trade #4, a Scout based on the fact the MMs had driven the price down hard and were trading at exceptionally high levels at the bottom (M1 confirmed, really confirmed.....huge buying at the lows of the day!). {image} {image}
UChf Long Trade:

Added long trade #5, a Scout.
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  • #46,373
  • Apr 16, 2013 11:33am Apr 16, 2013 11:33am
Quoting traderathome
GU Short Trade: Entered short, a Classic re-entry as bear MMs moved price above the whole number (clue), with intensive volume used to get it up there shown on M1. There are multiple GBP high impact releases coming. If the MMs remain bears then they might try to move price even higher. If they do, and if analysis at that time shows the MMs remain bears, I might add a Scout short. No SL and no TP at this time. {image} {image}
GU Short Trade:

Added short trade #2, a Scout.
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  • #46,374
  • Apr 16, 2013 11:43am Apr 16, 2013 11:43am
Quoting traderathome
EU Short Trade: Added short trade #4, a Classic re-entry short as bear MMs move the price above the half number. High volume for the event is documented on M1. No SL at this time. TP1 is revised as shown. LS MMs (or others) might try again and move the price even higher. That is ok. I felt it wise to make this entry in case they don't. {image} {image}
EU Short Trade:

Added short trade #5, a Scout. MMs might get it above whole number. If sufficiently so, I might add another Scout short.
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  • #46,375
  • Apr 16, 2013 11:51am Apr 16, 2013 11:51am
Quoting traderathome
Gold: Bear MMs moved price up thru 3/4 number to S&R, heavy trading, bears loading shorts. Here is where I'd short if I traded gold. I don't. With such a down trend, just too risky to have ever considered a long; trading the pullups orchestrated by bear MMs? No thank you. Gold is highly manipulated. Even now, the bear MMs could push it higher. This S&R area is a place to start building a short trade, though, as I see it. If it goes higher, sufficiently (above whole number?), add another short. Anyway, I won't comment on gold anymore. It just isn't...
Gold

Happened just exactly as I said it would. Bear MMs orchestrated the pullup to reload shorts, first above the 3/4 number which is where I said I'd enter short trade #1, and then above the whole number, where I said I'd enter short trade #2. And it all happened exactly that way!

PVA works! Doubting Thomases, go suck your thumbs!
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  • #46,376
  • Apr 16, 2013 12:07pm Apr 16, 2013 12:07pm
Nice little breakout trade... or a sonic r with confirmed pullback x 2.

Regards,

H
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"The future is already written in the past"
  • #46,377
  • Apr 16, 2013 12:09pm Apr 16, 2013 12:09pm
Hi Tah
I don't doubt your abilities in the least.
I don't qualify to post in this thread as I trade a 4 hour system, and the only reason I am here is to read your posts.
Thank you for the numerous and informative posts, they are valued.
Regards
Ian
  • #46,378
  • Apr 16, 2013 12:13pm Apr 16, 2013 12:13pm
I rarely if ever post on forums, just full of people searching for a free shortcut but I felt moved to comment on the amazing attack on what seems to be the largest single contributor on the thread TAH.

He is not your master, people referring to him as that is frankly weird and indicative of the "feed me I am lazy attitude", as far as I can see everything here is free so he has no debt of responsibility to you either. Just a trader , posting trades and giving his view on the markets.

Whether you agree or disagree with the method is entirely irrelevant, whether averaging trades would work back in 09/10 when the ranges were much bigger is debatable but that also does not matter. That was then , this is now.

I for one believe that volume however distorted it is in FX along with price action are the only genuine methods of analysis , indicators in every form are lagging by nature , even the ema wave which is only a moving average. Moving averages are lagging indicators. Trend , price action and volume are the way to go. Look at a chart , it is indisputable. Personally I am researching how to get the best from the volume element without averaging , I am doing that myself not asking others to do it for me.

If you want free information , it is right here through an age of posts.

This is one of the main reasons why retail traders fail in such high numbers , lazy unprepared people who want the short cut and someone to do it for them. Do your own homework , there is no shortcut or quick buck to be made . Hard work , hard work and hard work.
  • #46,379
  • Apr 16, 2013 1:05pm Apr 16, 2013 1:05pm
Patience is the key - know the nuggets and bolts for your entries or at least confirmation of s+r levels.

They are as I have posted before 7 pips for eur/usd and 13 pips for gpb/usd

Feel free to discuss what mmīs do and why - but the numbers donīt lie.

Have fun sonickers.

H..
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  • #46,380
  • Apr 16, 2013 1:21pm Apr 16, 2013 1:21pm
AU Short Trade Comment:

As you can see, my price/volume/SR analysis tells me the MMs are bears. As bears, if the price is moving higher, it must be because that is where the bear MMs want it. Why? Maybe they are drawing in longs to provide the liquidity for shorting. As that works out to produce higher prices at the end of the price manipulation upwards, it is also an added benefit for the bear MMs that they can conclude with increased shorting at the very highs they attain!

I do not believe those highs have yet been attained. I'd like to see the bear MMs make at least another attempt and get the price above the upper whole number. Because I know bear MMs prefer to add shorts above whole numbers, I am waiting before adding another short trade. The next Asian session might be the time this will happen.

I am posting this because some Sonicers here might be following AU, looking for a trade. Maybe this point of view will be helpful in that while they wait to see what happens they will know what they may be waiting for.

-tah
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