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  • #39,741
  • Oct 13, 2012 1:30am Oct 13, 2012 1:30am
Quoting nimsri
Hi traderathome!

I have been following this thread to study short term trading, especially trades done by you as one who frequently contributes to the thread.

You have shorted EJ on 3 Oct at 100.883 and closed at 100.578 on Oct 10 for a gain of 31 pips. However, since entering the trade, at one stage it has gone against you by around 180 pips ( peak on Oct 5 th).

My question is whether one can keep a trade open when it is going in the opposite direction by such a large value of pips.


Please explain.

Regards
Hi nimsri,

here is what I see on the EJ chart ... I read many of tah posts where he posted the setups. He actually post many setups in realtime but never show the actual trades taken in MT4.
tah use mental SL but never mentioned where his mental SL were placed nor how many pips. I don't know if he traded those setups in live account and what the lot size he trade live. But he trade against the market is not something many traders can stomach with such huge mental SL.

I can't imagine how live traders will deal with such style of trading.
Anyone , live traders would like to share this sort of risk management style.

regards,
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  • #39,742
  • Oct 13, 2012 2:34am Oct 13, 2012 2:34am
Quoting vtayha
Hi nimsri,

here is what I see on the EJ chart ... I read many of tah posts where he posted the setups. He actually post many setups in realtime but never show the actual trades taken in MT4.
tah use mental SL but never mentioned where his mental SL were placed nor how many pips. I don't know if he traded those setups in live account and what the lot size he trade live. But he trade against the market is not something many traders can stomach with such huge mental SL.

I can't imagine how live traders will deal with such style of trading.
Anyone...

I tell you what. I like your post because it's quiet and comprehensive but Mental SL doesn't exist.You can go ask to your barber, your girlfriend, your father, your cousin...it doesn't exist... when the market is against me and I'm in trouble I use to hedge the position or the fire will cancel my SL.
But here, as I said before there is no mention about the hedge stuff...the system is simple...but trading with is a different thing... Thank you
  • #39,743
  • Oct 13, 2012 4:57am Oct 13, 2012 4:57am
first of all i want say thank you to you
than sorry for my last post above which i ask you why you don't make ebook
in http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...80#post6094380

now, i already download your ebook in page one, i read sonicRV3 than
i already use NVO indicators, but you can see how NVO show me wrong volume, u can see in my chart
http://cdn-u.kaskus.co.id/87/gmdvksqc.jpg

please help me, and guided me
DB#23
  • #39,744
  • Oct 13, 2012 11:20am Oct 13, 2012 11:20am
Quoting Davidbeckham
first of all i want say thank you to you
than sorry for my last post above which i ask you why you don't make ebook
in http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...80#post6094380

now, i already download your ebook in page one, i read sonicRV3 than
i already use NVO indicators, but you can see how NVO show me wrong volume, u can see in my chart
http://cdn-u.kaskus.co.id/87/gmdvksqc.jpg

please help me, and guided me
Check this You also can check out our best contributer Professor TAH's templates HERE and
Keep Simple...!
  • #39,745
  • Oct 13, 2012 10:50pm Oct 13, 2012 10:50pm
Let's open our accounts...and show the real trades. Thankyou, Umbro
  • #39,746
  • Oct 13, 2012 11:29pm Oct 13, 2012 11:29pm
Quoting umbro
Let's open our accounts...and show the real trades. Thankyou, Umbro
http://www.myfxbook.com/members/umbr...SKt4TA3EF1jAx8
  • #39,747
  • Oct 13, 2012 11:50pm Oct 13, 2012 11:50pm
Quoting umbro
http://www.myfxbook.com/members/umbr...SKt4TA3EF1jAx8
If you don't post...you go home !
  • #39,748
  • Oct 14, 2012 12:23am Oct 14, 2012 12:23am
emmanuel, what do you think about my thoughts ? I have been in Singapore 2 months ago in Sentosa. I think you know...

How is the weather right now ? Hot ?
  • #39,749
  • Oct 14, 2012 12:29am Oct 14, 2012 12:29am
We should open our accounts and teach...there are a lot of people suffering around the world...if you can afford trading ... it means we can help. I will help. Thank you.
  • #39,750
  • Oct 14, 2012 3:27am Oct 14, 2012 3:27am
Stop posting in the thread telling or asking people to post their live trades you have posted no live sonic r setups yet you need to contribute to and stop begging or asking for handouts i informed you back end of last week what to look for in volume

Quoting umbro
We should open our accounts and teach...there are a lot of people suffering around the world...if you can afford trading ... it means we can help. I will help. Thank you.
  • #39,751
  • Oct 14, 2012 4:14am Oct 14, 2012 4:14am
Quoting andyvxr
Stop posting in the thread telling or asking people to post their live trades you have posted no live sonic r setups yet you need to contribute to and stop begging or asking for handouts i informed you back end of last week what to look for in volume
Again you. I tell you in japanese may be you understand. あなたは僕のターゲットじゃあいない。もいい。あなたと話したくない。ところで恋人いるの？どうもありがとうございました！今日の天気素晴らしかったでしょう。
  • #39,752
  • Oct 14, 2012 7:13am Oct 14, 2012 7:13am
Quoting umbro
If you don't post...you go home !
nice live trade friend... but some people just want a privacy for their account ^^

Just my 2 cent ^^
  • #39,753
  • Oct 14, 2012 8:23am Oct 14, 2012 8:23am
Yeah me again the guy that helped you out last week remember, cos you dont know how to trade, you just know how to talk shit.

Japanese now hey, you been japanese, chinese, italian, your an idiot leave this thread as you dont talk any sense, or post anything live, so telling others to post or go home i suggest you take your own advice and go home you total fool !!!


Quoting umbro
Again you. I tell you in japanese may be you understand. あなたは僕のターゲットじゃあいない。もいい。あなたと話したくない。ところで恋人いるの？どうもありがとうございました！今日の天気素晴らしかったでしょう。...
  • #39,754
  • Oct 14, 2012 8:24am Oct 14, 2012 8:24am
Umbro go long big on the eurusd as its gonna shoot up loads this week coming ok


Quoting umbro
Again you. I tell you in japanese may be you understand. あなたは僕のターゲットじゃあいない。もいい。あなたと話したくない。ところで恋人いるの？どうもありがとうございました！今日の天気素晴らしかったでしょう。...
  • #39,755
  • Oct 14, 2012 8:36am Oct 14, 2012 8:36am
Sign of weakness across the board..

Gold/Silver/Stocks..

Black -- Smart Money Selling
Red -- No demand


Sonic
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  • #39,756
  • Oct 14, 2012 5:05pm Oct 14, 2012 5:05pm
Good morning!

Ok. The "Open Accounts Campaign" is now closed due to the lower number of subscribers.
The reason I posted my live account is not to show I'm good. Actually I consider myself mediocre/bad at taking trades. The reason was to express one concept. If you have seen I take a lot of trades and miss a lot of them.
I don't care about a single trade and I don't let lost trades make me depressed and condition my trading.
In trading you should be able to loose in order to survive. I don't try to be the best at every trade and avoid the looser at any cost (it's impossible). Instead, I try to milk the market everyday and watch my bottomline and if I'm not in right mood I stop. If I get 3 loosers in a row, I stop trading that day. Ok, I don't want to make a rethoric post saying things most people know but I would like to leave you with this to think about.
Suppose you own a business company and your accountant make errors everyday. He is not always making errors sometimes does his job correctly but overall is making errors and this is affecting your business. Would you fire him ? I think you'll do if he persists.
It's because we as human beings in our life want to make excellence in every situation (sport, school, work etc.) and if we don't succeed we feel frustrated/depressed. It's in our DNA/education/life schemas.
Now, trading is not the real life. You need to accept to make errors and don't make the excellence at every cost. There's no other way.
I think this is most difficult aspect of this business a trader should accept (at least it is/was for me).
If you miss a trade, don't be ashame or depressed, wash and rinse.

I wish you a good trading week.

PS: I'll start showing my trades with Sonic system only. Actually I already started (that was the intention). I'll take some days to draw all the stuff at my best without posting.Please be patient with me.
  • #39,757
  • Oct 14, 2012 5:06pm Oct 14, 2012 5:06pm
Quoting andyvxr
Umbro go long big on the eurusd as its gonna shoot up loads this week coming ok
Thank you Andy. I'll take in to account your suggestion.
  • #39,758
  • Oct 14, 2012 6:35pm Oct 14, 2012 6:35pm
Quoting andyvxr
Yeah me again the guy that helped you out last week remember, cos you dont know how to trade, you just know how to talk shit.

Japanese now hey, you been japanese, chinese, italian, your an idiot leave this thread as you dont talk any sense, or post anything live, so telling others to post or go home i suggest you take your own advice and go home you total fool !!!
You didn't help anyone ! You just post some comments imposing your wrong thinking, don't respect the others also when they show the evidence and start again insulting...this is your only capability ...guru of nothing. I'm surprised you can still post and not being banned. Post your trades like me ! It's easy to make the guru (there are already too many) a little more difficult make money...and don't talk to me anymore...I don't need your help..shut-up...
  • #39,759
  • Oct 14, 2012 7:31pm Oct 14, 2012 7:31pm
Quoting sonicdeejay
Sign of weakness across the board..

Gold/Silver/Stocks..

Black -- Smart Money Selling
Red -- No demand


Sonic
I AGREE WITH U!
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  • #39,760
  • Oct 14, 2012 7:52pm Oct 14, 2012 7:52pm
Quoting traderathome
Yesterday, well before the USD releases (AU even in early asian session) everything was driven anti-usd direction. This was only, imho, a maneuver to get better prices for building positions ahead of both yesterday's and today's USD releases. Afterwards, the prices will reverse and we'll see strong USD direction moves as the market further maneuvers prices to make its profits on the positions it has been building all this while.
Quoting andyvxr
....use the 15 minute chart minimum, but i prefer the bigger timeframes as more significant. The SM are building shorts so the market will be going down in the days and weeks ahead. If you look at the 15 minute timeframe you will see the SM pushed the price up around the european / london open to one trick people to going long and two sell into that herd buying. Swapping the tickets for the train journey south, its like being mugged at the station lol
Quoting andyvxr
Big green bar, upbar on high volume, is SM selling into buying the next bar was down indicating the selling.
Quoting andyvxr
The PA is created by the SM thats probably where you are going wrong, you have to follow the SM and what they are upto, the volume footprint the SM leaves is the key to follow not the PA.
Quoting andyvxr
They have to build positions over time, moving the market up and down in a certain range before the final breakout, if they didnt do this the moves they could make would look to obvious, plus the SM have to test the supply and demand of the herd and make sure they have done there job before moving the market into a new range.
Quoting alrightfrank
andy is it possible for you to post a chart regarding this volume footprint youre discussing, if its not too much to ask. thanks, f.
Quoting andyvxr
Eurusd 15 minute chart shows green upbars where volume is high meaning SM selling into herd buying, next bars down. Then Dax 1hour chart blue upbars on higher volume next bars down again SM selling into buying by the herd. Remember strengths comes in downbars, weakness shows on upbars. SM have to distribute i.e want to short market off on upbars.
Quoting alrightfrank
thanks a lot andy, and thank you also for confirmation mastersonic. have a great weekend. f.
Quoting sonicdeejay
I agree so..Let the wave show for any possible short...Sonic
Andy is a man of my own heart. The market does not always display per that "free market" bullshit that says when price is rising it shows that there is a strong demand.

Here is another chart, EU. You can see that on the open of the London market Friday the market pumped pricing, and then the market started late Friday with more of the short selling. And now the early asian market, on a Sunday-Monday no less, is following suit, with more short selling. VSA gives clues. But, as Master Sonicdeejay says, "Let the Dragon and PA show the way."

BTW, the next release will enable bull/bear candles of different colors not only for the "climax volume" situations, but also for the "rising volume" situations, as you see here (bull=blue, bear=purple).
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