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  • #39,721
  • Oct 12, 2012 6:23am Oct 12, 2012 6:23am
Big green bar, upbar on high volume, is SM selling into buying the next bar was down indicating the selling.


Quoting andyvxr
Thats not a valid setup imo, you need to use the 15 minute chart minimum, but i prefer the bigger timeframes as more significant.

The SM are building shorts so the market will be going down in the days and weeks ahead.

If you look at the 15 minute timeframe you will see the SM pushed the price up around the european / london open to one trick people to going long and two sell into that herd buying.

Swapping the tickets for the train journey south, its like being mugged at the station lol
  • #39,722
  • Oct 12, 2012 6:25am Oct 12, 2012 6:25am
Quoting andyvxr
Thats not a valid setup imo, you need to use the 15 minute chart minimum, but i prefer the bigger timeframes as more significant.

The SM are building shorts so the market will be going down in the days and weeks ahead.

If you look at the 15 minute timeframe you will see the SM pushed the price up around the european / london open to one trick people to going long and two sell into that herd buying.

Swapping the tickets for the train journey south, its like being mugged at the station lol
Ok. Teach me...I'll learn. Appreciated.
  • #39,723
  • Oct 12, 2012 6:42am Oct 12, 2012 6:42am
Quoting andyvxr
Thats not a valid setup imo, you need to use the 15 minute chart minimum, but i prefer the bigger timeframes as more significant.

The SM are building shorts so the market will be going down in the days and weeks ahead.

If you look at the 15 minute timeframe you will see the SM pushed the price up around the european / london open to one trick people to going long and two sell into that herd buying.

Swapping the tickets for the train journey south, its like being mugged at the station lol
Ok. I see the 5m and I tell you my opinion. I look at the the 15m. I don't think too much about the SM. I just look the PA. The market changes everytime at London time too. It doesn't go up all the times and you get a lot of fakeouts. If it goes up all the times I'll be rich.
  • #39,724
  • Oct 12, 2012 6:48am Oct 12, 2012 6:48am
Quoting umbro
Ok. I see the 5m and I tell you my opinion. I look at the the 15m. I don't think too much about the SM. I just look the PA. The market changes everytime at London time too. It doesn't go up all the times and you get a lot of fakeouts. If it goes up all the times I'll be rich.
however, in order to be compliant I'll try to follow the rules as much as I can and where I'll make mistakes you tell me. thank you.
  • #39,725
  • Oct 12, 2012 7:22am Oct 12, 2012 7:22am
Quoting umbro
you are right. sorry. btw is an acronym for "by the way". Thank you. I'm waiting for a move because the today the clowns screw the market.
maybe a muslim indonesian...
  • #39,726
  • Oct 12, 2012 7:23am Oct 12, 2012 7:23am
Quoting andyvxr
Thats not a valid setup imo, you need to use the 15 minute chart minimum, but i prefer the bigger timeframes as more significant.

The SM are building shorts so the market will be going down in the days and weeks ahead.

If you look at the 15 minute timeframe you will see the SM pushed the price up around the european / london open to one trick people to going long and two sell into that herd buying.

Swapping the tickets for the train journey south, its like being mugged at the station lol
Ok, thanks for the long explanation. Why you say they are building positions ? If you have time...
  • #39,727
  • Oct 12, 2012 7:25am Oct 12, 2012 7:25am
The PA is created by the SM thats probably where you are going wrong, you have to follow the SM and what they are upto, the volume footprint the SM leaves is the key to follow not the PA.


Quoting umbro
Ok. I see the 5m and I tell you my opinion. I look at the the 15m. I don't think too much about the SM. I just look the PA. The market changes everytime at London time too. It doesn't go up all the times and you get a lot of fakeouts. If it goes up all the times I'll be rich.
  • #39,728
  • Oct 12, 2012 7:27am Oct 12, 2012 7:27am
They have to build positions over time, moving the market up and down in a certain range before the final breakout, if they didnt do this the moves they could make would look to obvious, plus the SM have to test the supply and demand of the herd and make sure they have done there job before moving the market into a new range.


Quoting umbro
Ok, thanks for the long explanation. Why you say they are building positions ? If you have time...
  • #39,729
  • Oct 12, 2012 7:30am Oct 12, 2012 7:30am
Quoting andyvxr
The PA is created by the SM thats probably where you are going wrong, you have to follow the SM and what they are upto, the volume footprint the SM leaves is the key to follow not the PA.
I don't know. I just follow the PA as I told you on the 5m because the SM are on higher tiemframes. I want to learn being humble. OK. Thanks. Have a good wkend! Peace.
  • #39,730
  • Oct 12, 2012 7:38am Oct 12, 2012 7:38am
Quoting andyvxr
The PA is created by the SM thats probably where you are going wrong, you have to follow the SM and what they are upto, the volume footprint the SM leaves is the key to follow not the PA.
andy is it possible for you to post a chart regarding this volume footprint youre discussing, if its not too much to ask.

thanks
f.
  • #39,731
  • Oct 12, 2012 7:40am Oct 12, 2012 7:40am
No the SM is on every timeframe, not just the bigger ones., volume is on all timeframes


Quoting umbro
I don't know. I just follow the PA as I told you on the 5m because the SM are on higher tiemframes. I want to learn being humble. OK. Thanks. Have a good wkend! Peace.
  • #39,732
  • Oct 12, 2012 7:49am Oct 12, 2012 7:49am
hit target at 16090, Gu long. maybe this first try just lucky.
waiting for another opportunity.
  • #39,733
  • Oct 12, 2012 7:52am Oct 12, 2012 7:52am
Quoting kotlt
Is it a good sonic setup in GU ?
TP at 1.6092
Keep Simple...!
  • #39,734
  • Oct 12, 2012 7:56am Oct 12, 2012 7:56am
Eurusd 15 minute chart shows green upbars where volume is high meaning SM selling into herd buying, next bars down

Then Dax 1hour chart blue upbars on higher volume next bars down again SM selling into buying by the herd.

Remember strengths comes in downbars, weakness shows on upbars.

SM have to distribute i.e want to short market off on upbars.


Quoting alrightfrank
andy is it possible for you to post a chart regarding this volume footprint youre discussing, if its not too much to ask.

thanks
f.
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  • #39,735
  • Oct 12, 2012 7:59am Oct 12, 2012 7:59am
Quoting andyvxr
Eurusd 15 minute chart shows green upbars where volume is high meaning SM selling into herd buying, next bars down

Then Dax 1hour chart blue upbars on higher volume next bars down again SM selling into buying by the herd.

Remember strengths comes in downbars, weakness shows on upbars.

SM have to distribute i.e want to short market off on upbars.

I agree so..
Let the wave show for any possible short...

Sonic
  • #39,736
  • Oct 12, 2012 8:26am Oct 12, 2012 8:26am
Quoting andyvxr
Eurusd 15 minute chart shows green upbars where volume is high meaning SM selling into herd buying, next bars down

Then Dax 1hour chart blue upbars on higher volume next bars down again SM selling into buying by the herd.

Remember strengths comes in downbars, weakness shows on upbars.

SM have to distribute i.e want to short market off on upbars.
thanks a lot andy, and thank you also for confirmation mastersonic.

have a great weekend.

f.
  • #39,737
  • Oct 12, 2012 9:01am Oct 12, 2012 9:01am
Quoting andyvxr
Eurusd 15 minute chart shows green upbars where volume is high meaning SM selling into herd buying, next bars down

Then Dax 1hour chart blue upbars on higher volume next bars down again SM selling into buying by the herd.

Remember strengths comes in downbars, weakness shows on upbars.

SM have to distribute i.e want to short market off on upbars.
Just a notice : Different brokers have different chart. In my chart, there is no blue bar after green bar .

Thank you for VSA explain...

Can you please explain in GU chart ? We should wait for at least two green bars ?

Sorry my bad english
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  • #39,738
  • Oct 12, 2012 10:55am Oct 12, 2012 10:55am
master sonic, why u don't make some e-book to sharing ur briliant system
DB#23
  • #39,739
  • Oct 13, 2012 12:07am Oct 13, 2012 12:07am
I publish my account (you can see all my trades)... everything. Take into account I restarted trading recently so Sept-Oct are the most significantly. These are the accounts I'm using to trade the 5m on the EURUSD using the system II method. I took some acrobatic trades recently. My drawdown is bad. I use to hedge a lot with another account on antoher provider so the data provided is not accurate but overall it is with the exception of the last trade.

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/umbr...SKt4TA3EF1jAx8

I'm going to open a new account just for trading the Sonic method and make it public so that everyone will see my progress. I'll put some money like 500 bucks on it. I hope I'll be able to increase thanks to your help.
I'll then devolve everything or the remaining to the children in Fukushima for buying them a gift for next Christmas.
Thank you,
Umberto
  • #39,740
  • Oct 13, 2012 12:59am Oct 13, 2012 12:59am
Quoting traderathome
EJ: Entered short. SL mental for now because if this is going down, then the Frankfurt or London mkt. might spike price up first.
Hi traderathome!

I have been following this thread to study short term trading, especially trades done by you as one who frequently contributes to the thread.

You have shorted EJ on 3 Oct at 100.883 and closed at 100.578 on Oct 10 for a gain of 31 pips. However, since entering the trade, at one stage it has gone against you by around 180 pips ( peak on Oct 5 th).

My question is whether one can keep a trade open when it is going in the opposite direction by such a large value of pips.


Please explain.

Regards
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