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  • #694,781
  • Sep 19, 2012 4:29pm Sep 19, 2012 4:29pm
Good morning Champs.

Not 1.24 yet. LOL.

Bullish flag is shaping up.
"Men who can both be right and sit tight are uncommon."
  • #694,782
  • Sep 19, 2012 4:29pm Sep 19, 2012 4:29pm
Quoting Chicky
You mean Japanese bull? don't you?
Yep.

The old man still got it.
Not all sins are created equal
  • #694,783
  • Sep 19, 2012 4:34pm Sep 19, 2012 4:34pm
Quoting Jay Walker
Yep.

The old man still got it.
After hearing that, I can now safely declare my race.

Thanks.


Guys, I am Asian.
The Thief of Wall Street
  • #694,784
  • Sep 19, 2012 4:34pm Sep 19, 2012 4:34pm
I think I'm having an epiphany in regards to trading.. LOL.. Afternoons are a little crazy here, so I'll probably come back to it tomorrow... if I still think it's an epiphany worth sharing.. LOL.
  • #694,785
  • Sep 19, 2012 4:37pm Sep 19, 2012 4:37pm
Quoting Chicky
After hearing that, I can now safely declare my race.

Thanks.


Guys, I am Asian.
That's ok, nobody's perfect

Just messing with you mate. Hope all is well with you.
Not all sins are created equal
  • #694,786
  • Sep 19, 2012 4:39pm Sep 19, 2012 4:39pm
Quoting attila
I think I'm having an epiphany in regards to trading.. LOL.. Afternoons are a little crazy here, so I'll probably come back to it tomorrow... if I still think it's an epiphany worth sharing.. LOL.
Looking forward to hear it.
"Men who can both be right and sit tight are uncommon."
  • #694,787
  • Sep 19, 2012 4:41pm Sep 19, 2012 4:41pm
Quoting Jay Walker
That's ok, nobody's perfect
LOL. Good one.
"Men who can both be right and sit tight are uncommon."
  • #694,788
  • Sep 19, 2012 4:41pm Sep 19, 2012 4:41pm
Quoting Mike8
Looking forward to hear it.
lol.. nothing worth holding your breath to.. Just that I'm starting to believe the market is random and we're just fooling ourselves..
  • #694,789
  • Sep 19, 2012 4:43pm Sep 19, 2012 4:43pm
Quoting attila
lol.. nothing worth holding your breath to.. Just that I'm starting to believe the market is random and we're just fooling ourselves..
Well.. We never know...
"Men who can both be right and sit tight are uncommon."
  • #694,790
  • Sep 19, 2012 4:44pm Sep 19, 2012 4:44pm
Quoting attila
lol.. nothing worth holding your breath to.. Just that I'm starting to believe the market is random and we're just fooling ourselves..
Yes the market is random, but the psychology of the masses is not.
"Men who can both be right and sit tight are uncommon."
  • #694,791
  • Sep 19, 2012 4:44pm Sep 19, 2012 4:44pm
Quoting Mike8
Well.. We never know...
Kinda like quantum particles.. Only by observing it we change its state.. Anyway, we'll talk tomorrow after hours..
  • #694,792
  • Sep 19, 2012 4:47pm Sep 19, 2012 4:47pm
Quoting attila
lol.. nothing worth holding your breath to.. Just that I'm starting to believe the market is random and we're just fooling ourselves..
Why does it matter if market is random or not? It doesn't matter at all.

Its all in how it makes the moves. After a day or two's ranging, it moves in seconds and minutes. 15 to 30 minutes in all. Is that not enough to figure out what to do?....................... Not a rocket science.

We see every thing in our charts, but not the speed, .........unless we have a mile long 1M chart.
The Thief of Wall Street
  • #694,793
  • Sep 19, 2012 4:51pm Sep 19, 2012 4:51pm
Quoting Chicky
After a day or two's ranging, it moves in seconds and minutes. 15 to 30 minutes in all.
Yes, this is the only thing that is not random, and it's what I was going to touch on.. You've got that spot on. There are consolidations followed by bursts in random directions pretty much..
  • #694,794
  • Sep 19, 2012 4:52pm Sep 19, 2012 4:52pm
Quoting attila
Kinda like quantum particles.. Only by observing it we change its state.. Anyway, we'll talk tomorrow after hours..
"Men who can both be right and sit tight are uncommon."
  • #694,795
  • Sep 19, 2012 5:00pm Sep 19, 2012 5:00pm
Quoting attila
Yes, this is the only thing that is not random, and it's what I was going to touch on.. You've got that spot on. There are consolidations followed by bursts in random directions pretty much..
If it bursts in trader's direction, good.............. if not, he should better have kept his* ass covered.




*Women traders need more care and precaution.
The Thief of Wall Street
  • #694,796
  • Sep 19, 2012 5:01pm Sep 19, 2012 5:01pm
Quoting attila
Yes, this is the only thing that is not random, and it's what I was going to touch on.. You've got that spot on. There are consolidations followed by bursts in random directions pretty much..
Patterns reflects the psychology of the market, everything is included in a pattern if a personal flavour is added, because TA is not a science, it is an art form in which creative makes the difference.

Yesterday I took this megaphone pattern and shorted @ the arrow after 3 bullish candles and intervention.

The first bearish engulfing candle confirmed to me that it was worth taking my risk. Target not reached yet, but +1 risk is booked.

If one know how to read patterns, soon realise that everything is there and nothing else is needed to know.

This is what I think.
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"Men who can both be right and sit tight are uncommon."
  • #694,797
  • Sep 19, 2012 5:05pm Sep 19, 2012 5:05pm
Quoting Chicky
Why does it matter if market is random or not? It doesn't matter at all.

Its all in how it makes the moves. After a day or two's ranging, it moves in seconds and minutes. 15 to 30 minutes in all. Is that not enough to figure out what to do?....................... Not a rocket science.

We see every thing in our charts, but not the speed, .........unless we have a mile long 1M chart.
very entertaining topic from a philosphical point of view, got me thinking:

it's all about the terminology and its definition.. (oops, semantics)
random as in "lack of predictability" - agree; but instead one should focus on probabilities (eg patterns, indicators, news, whatever floats your boat)

random as in "having no definite aim or purpose; not sent or guided in a particular direction; made, done, occurring, etc., without method or conscious choice; haphazard" - partly agree
there is no aim in how market moves, it is not leading but following orders and offersalthough this generates a feedback loop. market is not guided I would say but is the manifestation of a communal choice which is the sum of everyone's individual conscious choice with a higher or lower degree of understanding where one's choice sits in relation to the sum of everyone elses choice..

urgh
  • #694,798
  • Sep 19, 2012 5:09pm Sep 19, 2012 5:09pm
Quoting 2046
very entertaining topic from a philosphical point of view, got me thinking:

it's all about the terminology and its definition.. (oops, semantics)
random as in "lack of predictability" - agree; but instead one should focus on probabilities (eg patterns, indicators, news, whatever floats your boat)

random as in "having no definite aim or purpose; not sent or guided in a particular direction; made, done, occurring, etc., without method or conscious choice; haphazard" - partly agree
there is no aim in how market moves,...
Stochastics.................. check its three common limitations. Same is true for patterns

1. Boundaries
2. Continuity
3. I forget.................... mentioned somwhere in here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic
The Thief of Wall Street
  • #694,799
  • Sep 19, 2012 5:13pm Sep 19, 2012 5:13pm
Quoting 2046
very entertaining topic from a philosphical point of view, got me thinking:

it's all about the terminology and its definition.. (oops, semantics)
random as in "lack of predictability" - agree; but instead one should focus on probabilities (eg patterns, indicators, news, whatever floats your boat)

random as in "having no definite aim or purpose; not sent or guided in a particular direction; made, done, occurring, etc., without method or conscious choice; haphazard" - partly agree
there is no aim in how market...
We cannot predict the individual psychology, but we can predict to a degree mass psychology which is what moves the market.
"Men who can both be right and sit tight are uncommon."
  • #694,800
  • Sep 19, 2012 5:21pm Sep 19, 2012 5:21pm
Quoting Mike8
Patterns reflects the psychology of the market, everything is included in a pattern if a personal flavour is added, because TA is not a science, it is an art form in which creative makes the difference
The patterns that are created are due to price moving between the buy and sell orders.

The big money that moves the market can use patterns and trend lines to their advantage but they can't hide where on a chart where they are buying and selling.
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