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  • #15,241
  • Aug 31, 2012 1:20am Aug 31, 2012 1:20am
Quoting realjumper
Actually it is not. Symphonie was a complete set of repainting indicators, and you and I know full well where TVi came from ...


The only common things between Symphonie and Genesis is TVi, and as I said, you and I both know where that came from.....

Well I am quit sure where it came from, I hope you didn't mean it came from you.

Quoting realjumper
Your arrogance grows daily.......
I think people you mention in the first post of your thread all started with symphonie and over time the method changed more or less to what looks like the beginning of Genesis. You're right to start of with your own thread when things change to much to be the original, nobody should complain. However, without Symphonie, your thread wouldn't be started and those people that where there from first post on, wouldn't be there.
  • #15,242
  • Aug 31, 2012 1:29am Aug 31, 2012 1:29am
Quoting pbb
Well I am quit sure where it came from, I hope you didn't mean it came from you.
I know full well who created TVi, and I know, personally, who coded the TVi used here. I have never said otherwise. I have never claimed anything else.



Quoting pbb
I think people you mention in the first post of your thread all started with symphonie and over time the method changed more or less to what looks like the beginning of Genesis. You're right to start of with your own thread when things change to much to be the original, nobody should complain. However, without Symphonie, your thread wouldn't be started and those people that where there from first post on, wouldn't be there.
If you read the first post of the Genesis thread, you will see that I paid my respects to the Symphonie thread and to Eval.
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #15,243
  • Aug 31, 2012 1:33am Aug 31, 2012 1:33am
Quoting pbb
Well I am quit sure where it came from, I hope you didn't mean it came from you.



I think people you mention in the first post of your thread all started with symphonie and over time the method changed more or less to what looks like the beginning of Genesis. You're right to start of with your own thread when things change to much to be the original, nobody should complain. However, without Symphonie, your thread wouldn't be started and those people that where there from first post on, wouldn't be there.
RJ was the one that persuaded Eval to use TVi2 instead of the Extreme that was being used at the time so thats what he meant by that, he took a lot of persuading. All threads on Forex Factory wouldn't exist if it wasn't in part due to another thread on Forex Factory, unless they have come up with a completely new indicator, but credit was given to Eval in the first post on the Genesis thread, but the only reason RJ came onto this thread to comment was Eval's insistence they are the same thing with a few indicators added on.
  • #15,244
  • Aug 31, 2012 1:41am Aug 31, 2012 1:41am
Quoting ohammond
The symphonie system started with the Extreme (which was actually symphonie extreme not TVi) RJ persuaded Eval to change to the TVi and Eval renamed it extreme to match the other indicator that was being used (under protest at the time from RJ because he doesn't like people renaming indicators that aren't theirs). The trendline indicator that Eval uses although based on CCI repaints up to 2 bars, the CCI indicator used in Genesis does not repaint at all. The other 2 indicators are completely different. That is why, if you read back through the...
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  • #15,245
  • Aug 31, 2012 1:41am Aug 31, 2012 1:41am
Quoting blerkd
Can I just say that this whole thing is tragic. I have been following this thread for a very long time and I saw a lot of contributions by Evaluator, RealJumper and many others.

Now I have to monitor two different threads to get the whole picture.

I use Symphonie 60-5, but actually I use the genesis matrix for a technical reason (the way genesis paints a higher timeframe matrix i can beautifully see 60-5 in action).

I have done hundreds of hours of testing and I get such similar results from both. For me I use symphonie because it works better...

blerkd,

It is not really worth the arguement with RJ and ohammond. They want to say that their thread is completely separate from Symphonie then that is just fine.

Their new thread which they are defending to the death came from this one and that is a fact. The Symphonie matrix of this system was in fact developed by me based on MTF Heiken Ashi matrix and the original coder was rmyers and then I asked ldHT for changes and enhancements.

However much as RJ and ohammond hate it their thread come from Symphonie and it mimicks Symphonie almost exactly reguardless how much they say is difference.

Again, I will not argue with them. They say it is arrogance on my part but if you look they are the ones with arrogance because what I say is the truth and it is easy to re-read this thread and one will see it. Even the entire set of Genisis indikators came from a thread called ''yet another set of Symphonie indikators'' (http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=355716) If you do not believe me then look it up.

Again, as I said before one can use either set but they do basically the same thing and for compare run both matrix on the same chart and you will see they are almost exactly the same.

That is ALL I will say on this topic.

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #15,246
  • Aug 31, 2012 1:51am Aug 31, 2012 1:51am
Quoting Evaluator
blerkd,

It is not really worth the arguement with RJ and ohammond. They want to say that their thread is completely separate from Symphonie then that is just fine.

Their new thread which they are defending to the death came from this one and that is a fact. The Symphonie matrix of this system was in fact developed by me based on MTF Heiken Ashi matrix and the original coder was rmyers and then I asked ldHT for changes and enhancements.

However much as RJ and ohammond hate it their thread come from Symphonie and it mimicks Symphonie almost...
Yes it was spawned from this thread, we have never said anything else, BUT symphonie only looks like Genesis when you slap it on a chart because it REPAINTS to look good and Genesis doesn't.
  • #15,247
  • Aug 31, 2012 1:51am Aug 31, 2012 1:51am
Now back to business. It appears after a night of sideways price action by the EURUSD the 60 min charts are about to give another Sell signal. However, I would be very careful of taking any signals today because with the ''Ben Bernanke'' show at the Jackson Hole any folllow through from the signal will most likely be weak due to lack of liquidity until after the ''Bernanke'' speech.

A word of caution when trading before a news event that will have a huge impact on the EURUSD.

Trade well.

Evaluator.:nerd:
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  • #15,248
  • Aug 31, 2012 1:52am Aug 31, 2012 1:52am
Quoting realjumper
If you read the first post of the Genesis thread, you will see that I paid my respects to the Symphonie thread and to Eval.
I know that, I don't see people should bashing around. Actualy I mean nobody, not the creators nor anybody else. Eval did a great job, you did a great job. People are following up both strategies to learn and share. From start of I followed Symphonie, not because I liked it, to many uncertainties, to much guessing. For me it was astonishing to see all the results that were claimed. What I liked about it was the ungoing drive of people in the thread.
  • #15,249
  • Aug 31, 2012 1:52am Aug 31, 2012 1:52am
Quoting blerkd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og7-6YubuS4
Sorry but if you're going to comment on the history of a thread, then you will have to know the history of the thread?? Logical?
  • #15,250
  • Aug 31, 2012 1:58am Aug 31, 2012 1:58am
Quoting ohammond
Sorry but if you're going to comment on the history of a thread, then you will have to know the history of the thread?? Logical?
Yes ma'am i was just pointing out it was a little bit like a soap opera.

Do you concur?
  • #15,251
  • Aug 31, 2012 2:00am Aug 31, 2012 2:00am
Quoting Evaluator
blerkd,

It is not really worth the arguement with RJ and ohammond. They want to say that their thread is completely separate from Symphonie then that is just fine.
Because it is completely separate. Different indicators.......not Elliot wave (or any other kind of predictions), no MM rules.....no cherry picked news articles.

The only similarity is that both use a matrix.

The fact is that both systems use a confluence of indicators, so does THV and TMA and just about every other system, yet they too are separate from Symphonie. You ca claim Symphonie as your own, because it is. You cannot lay any claim to Genesis because it was developed by a team of people and you were not on that team.

Quoting Evaluator
Their new thread which they are defending to the death came from this one and that is a fact. The Symphonie matrix of this system was in fact developed by me based on MTF Heiken Ashi matrix and the original coder was rmyers and then I asked ldHT for changes and enhancements.

However much as RJ and ohammond hate it their thread come from Symphonie and it mimicks Symphonie almost exactly reguardless how much they say is difference.
If I "hated it", then I would not have paid my respect to you and your system in my very first post on the Genesis thread.

You can say in your arrogance that it "mimics" Symphonie but that fact is that we are using 4 non repainting inductors and the Genesis system which makes it impossible to "mimic" a chronic repainting set of indicators that Symphonie uses


Quoting Evaluator
Again, I will not argue with them. They say it is arrogance on my part but if you look they are the ones with arrogance because what I say is the truth and it is easy to re-read this thread and one will see it. Even the entire set of Genisis indikators came from a thread called ''yet another set of Symphonie indikators'' (http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=355716) If you do not believe me then look it up.
Again.....I have never said otherwise. Xaphod and Cody are the coders of the Genesis Matrix, with input fr4om the rest of the team.....and I have said that a few times now.



Quoting Evaluator
Again, as I said before one can use either set but they do basically the same thing and for compare run both matrix on the same chart and you will see they are almost exactly the same.

Yeah....with hindsight due to the repainting.

Look Eval.....if you didn't bad mouth Genesis, this would never have flared up between you and me.
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #15,252
  • Aug 31, 2012 2:12am Aug 31, 2012 2:12am
Quoting realjumper

Yeah....with hindsight due to the repainting.
RJ I am really surprised to see you say this. This is just flat out deceiving.
Surely you have loads of data that does not back up this statement.

The reality is that full signal repaints do not happen often and don't even affect results that much.

The way that genesis reacts in such situations is just to paint the full signal. What's the difference?

I care nothing at all for this contest of leadership or whatever this crap is but i won't stand for lying about results.
  • #15,253
  • Aug 31, 2012 2:13am Aug 31, 2012 2:13am
Quoting realjumper
Because it is completely separate. Different indicators.......not Elliot wave (or any other kind of predictions), no MM rules.....no cherry picked news articles.

The only similarity is that both use a matrix.

The fact is that both systems use a confluence of indicators, so does THV and TMA and just about every other system, yet they too are separate from Symphonie. You ca claim Symphonie as your own, because it is. You cannot lay any claim to Genesis because it was developed by a team of people and you were not on that team.

If I "hated it",...


Again, I will not argue with them. They say it is arrogance on my part but if you look they are the ones with arrogance because what I say is the truth and it is easy to re-read this thread and one will see it. Even the entire set of Genisis indikators came from a thread called ''yet another set of Symphonie indikators'' (http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=355716) If you do not believe me then look it up.

Again.....I have never said otherwise. Xaphod and Cody are the coders of the Genesis Matrix, with input fr4om the rest of the team.....and I have said that a few times now.





Yeah....with hindsight due to the repainting.

Look Eval.....if you didn't bad mouth Genesis, this would never have flared up between you and me.

realjumper,

OK. I will answer.

First let me say I have never ''bad mouthed'' your thread. I even posted to you good luck. I have not posted since because I want you to run successfully on your own which you have done and you have my congratulation.

I do not wish to argue with you as this arguement has already taken up 1 page of my thread. I have not done that on yours.

I said your matrix mimiks Symphonie and that is how it was designed by Xaphod on this thread ''yet another set of SYMPHONIE indikators''. In other words he developed his set of indikators specifically to copy the Symphonie set.

Those same indikators form the basis of your thread. That is a fact.

I was asked a direct question on this thread about Symphonie and yours. I answered as I see truthfully and one can easily verfify by following the posts of this thread and the links I provided.

Now, if you and ohammond wish to continue discussion about this topic may we please take off line and not fill up my thread with soap opera arguements so this can stay on thread?

Best Regards,

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #15,254
  • Aug 31, 2012 2:23am Aug 31, 2012 2:23am
Quoting blerkd
RJ I am really surprised to see you say this. This is just flat out deceiving.
Surely you have loads of data that does not back up this statement.

The reality is that full signal repaints do not happen often and don't even affect results that much.

The way that genesis reacts in such situations is just to paint the full signal. What's the difference?

I care nothing at all for this contest of leadership or whatever this crap is but i won't stand for lying about results.
There is no lies here.....be careful who you call a liar. Olivia has just pointed out how far back Symphonie repaints and covers signal that were once there, but are not now.

This whole drama is due to the arrogance of Eval and his off the cuff comments that "Genesis is just Symphonie with a few added on indicators"

I do not tell lies about other people systems and I do not intentionally bad mouth them. I speak the truth and if that hurts.....what a pity!
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #15,255
  • Aug 31, 2012 2:31am Aug 31, 2012 2:31am
Quoting realjumper
There is no lies here.....be careful who you call a liar. Olivia has just pointed out how far back Symphonie repaints and covers signal that were once there, but are not now.

This whole drama is due to the arrogance of Eval and his off the cuff comments that "Genesis is just Symphonie with a few added on indicators"

I do not tell lies about other people systems and I do not intentionally bad mouth them. I speak the truth and if that hurts.....what a pity!
Show me the data RJ. The burden of truth is on you. Post some data that proves the genesis matrix produces signals any more efficient than symphonie.

Your argument may be more credible if you provided some data.
  • #15,256
  • Aug 31, 2012 2:32am Aug 31, 2012 2:32am
What To Expect From Bernanke At J-Hole

By Tyler Durden
Created 08/30/2012 - 19:20

Expectations for tomorrow's J-Hole speech by the venerable Ben Bernanke vary from the mundane "things-we-can-still-do; monitoring-situation" to the exuberant "we'll-print-our-way-out-of-this-mess-no-matter-what-and-I've-got-your-back-for-anything-more-than-a-1%-drop-in-the-Russell". We suspect, like Morgan Stanley's Vince Reinhart that a lot of people are going to be grossly disappointed as the FOMC (C for Committee) meeting is so close and the election being just around the corner means playing-down any miracle-making. Instead we suspect it will be more of the same - disappointment in economic performance, could do better, closely monitoring, Fed-has-tools; i.e. a replay of most of his recent speeches in tone. Reinhart does see some room for surprise though - especially on conditional policy rules (and the potential problems with over-reaching their mandate).

Vincent Reinhart, Morgan Stanley: The Message from the Mountains
We have had low expectations for significant news from Chairman Bernanke’s Jackson Hole address for some time for two reasons.

 

  1. First, he respects that the Federal Open Market Committee is a committee. That is, monetary policy actions are group decisions and it is inappropriate to front run the outcome of a democratic process.
  2. Second, he wants to keep a relatively low profile during an election year when the Federal Reserve is already a hot-button campaign issue. His speeches and testimonies over the past few months—even his semi-annual report on monetary policy—have been short, factual, and uneventful.

What does he have to do? He has to convey that the Fed has been disappointed in the economy’s performance, that policymakers are inclined to provide additional accommodation soon unless there is a significant and sustained improvement, and that they will closely monitor the situation. Essentially, all he needs to do is repeat portions of the statement and minutes from the July-August meeting. Along the way, he will highlight that it is a beautiful venue for a conference, that they are about to hear interesting papers, and that many fiscal challenge remain unanswered.
The main possibility for surprise is if he addresses the ongoing work within the Fed on conditional policy rules. The last set of minutes referred several times to discussions of rules and more open-end policy commitments. Up to now, the Fed has been using its policy instruments in an unconditional way, in that it announces a program of fixed duration and fixed amount. Most academic work, as will be discussed in the formal program at Jackson Hole, suggests that a rule linking the policy instrument to economic outcomes or the outlook performs better.
The idea is that the Fed could agree, for instance, to keep the funds rate target at zero as long as they have an economic forecast that is short of their mission. The problem is that the mission at the heart of Fed policy-making is ambiguous. In the Federal Reserve Act, the Congress tells the Fed to foster maximum employment and stable prices but is silent on how to weigh deviations from the two objectives or how quickly those deviations should be eliminated. The monetary policymakers at the Fed are a diverse group of people who disagree on how to fill this silence. If they can come to terms with this issue, then they can offer more open-ended assurance to financial market participants and the public at large.
Chairman Bernanke is unlikely to offer a Solomonic solution, but his speech would be more interesting if he relayed where they are in the process.

  • #15,257
  • Aug 31, 2012 2:38am Aug 31, 2012 2:38am
Quoting blerkd
Show me the data RJ. The burden of truth is on you. Post some data that proves the genesis matrix produces signals any more efficient than symphonie.

Your argument may be more credible if you provided some data.
There is no "burden of proof" on me at all. It is a fact, read back through this thread and prove me wrong, that people enter trades based on signals that repaint, ad with the benefit of hindsight they would never have entered the trade. That was the whole point behind me and others trying to get non repainting indicators into Symphonie.....but the comes a time when swimming against the tide (of approval for change) just becomes not worth the effort.

I have been around Symphonie a lot longer than you....do yourself a favour and read the thread, then you will see what Olivia and I and many others are on about.

Now.....I'm not going to post further on the matter as Eval has asked that we don't.

Get yourself a coffee and start reading
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #15,258
  • Edited 4:06am Aug 31, 2012 2:52am | Edited 4:06am
Wedge pattern is forming that does not look good for my short from 1.25560. As I expect, price action will most likely remain inside this wedge pattern and then trade sideways until the ''Ben Bernanke'' show later today.

However, I will be looking for breaks on either side of the wedge as indikator (with Symphonie) for a direktional change in price action.

So, for me....I am on the side for future orders since my current is protected with +3 pip stoploss.

''Sometimes the best trade is not to trade.''

Evaluator.:nerd:

UPDATE: EURUSD rally hits stoploss order closed with +3 pips.
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  • #15,259
  • Aug 31, 2012 4:18am Aug 31, 2012 4:18am
Quoting realjumper

This whole drama is due to the arrogance of Eval and his off the cuff comments that "Genesis is just Symphonie with a few added on indicators"

No arrogance...I just posted the truth.
  • #15,260
  • Aug 31, 2012 4:22am Aug 31, 2012 4:22am
Quoting Evaluator
Now back to business. It appears after a night of sideways price action by the EURUSD the 60 min charts are about to give another Sell signal. However, I would be very careful of taking any signals today because with the ''Ben Bernanke'' show at the Jackson Hole any folllow through from the signal will most likely be weak due to lack of liquidity until after the ''Bernanke'' speech.

A word of caution when trading before a news event that will have a huge impact on the EURUSD.

Trade well.

Evaluator.:nerd:
well said. I've had my EUR/AUD trade open 3 days and capped out at 18 pips.. bernanke has a knack for keeping liquidity dried up
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