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  • #15,221
  • Aug 28, 2012 5:01pm Aug 28, 2012 5:01pm
Quoting allisonmagic
i love this system so much. making so much money because of evaluator !!!
Could you share precisely your way of using symphonie ?
What are your rules specifically ? Your MM ?

I don't especially asking this for my self, even if I interested in how your managed it.
But I think is important to not brag about results with explain them.

Best regards,

Fable
  • #15,222
  • Aug 28, 2012 5:27pm Aug 28, 2012 5:27pm
Quoting Fable
Could you share precisely your way of using symphonie ?
What are your rules specifically ? Your MM ?

I don't especially asking this for my self, even if I interested in how your managed it.
But I think is important to not brag about results with explain them.

Best regards,

Fable
Of course, i'd love to be of help. well for the moment im using added indicators with symphonie. From fed77, they are signalbars and demark trendline indicators..as well as the RSI indicator to confirm strength of the trends. Of course i am always watching for news releases, i never trade the news(keep an eye on bloomberg tv and dailyfx !). my trades are based on the 1 hour charts. i use signalbars to confirm the trend(signal bars shows the direction of price action on the 1m,15m,30m,1h,4h,daily) and demark trendlines to assist symphonie with my entry points. for instance, if i plan on going short, aud/usd i will look for a signal from symphonie for a short, confirm this with signal bars and wait for a breakout and closing candle above or below the trendline. if we are all red(or blue), closed past our trending lines, and rsi is below or above 60 or 40 then i will execute my trade. I set my money management as apart of a %5 max risk always with a trail stop half of my risk at 2.5%. If my trade is profitable i want to make sure my stop is moved without me having to babysit my trades. Also, if i'm looking at a sharp trend of any kind, i will check the news releases from the calender to make sure i know what's happened in the past several hours or days. To find the pairs i want to trade i always use my heat maps and RSI charts, i'll add a link here. any other info you want, let me know, i'd be glad to help

RSI charts
http://www.forexticket.us/en/forex-c...-index#c_index


Heat maps
http://www.netdania.com/Products/liv...eList.aspx?m=q
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  • #15,223
  • Aug 28, 2012 5:34pm Aug 28, 2012 5:34pm
notice how symphonie, rsi, and trendlines confirm a short trade, however signal bars(top right) aren't showing bearish on the 1m and 5m.. so i will wait until everything is confirmed until i execute this trade.


look for a trendline breakout on the 5m
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  • #15,224
  • Aug 28, 2012 5:38pm Aug 28, 2012 5:38pm
Quoting allisonmagic
Of course, i'd love to be of help. well for the moment im using added indicators with symphonie. From fed77, they are signalbars and demark trendline indicators..as well as the RSI indicator to confirm strength of the trends. Of course i am always watching for news releases, i never trade the news(keep an eye on bloomberg tv and dailyfx !). my trades are based on the 1 hour charts. i use signalbars to confirm the trend(signal bars shows the direction of price action on the 1m,15m,30m,1h,4h,daily) and demark trendlines to assist symphonie with my...
Much apprecied! I have to say that between you and Fed77, the symphonie thread was becoming a bit messy (no offense). Thanks to clarifie it.

Regards,

Fable

ps: I will take a look at your way of trading as soon as I can, and if you want, let you know my opinion on it.
But for now I'm really busy (I work 18h/24, trade 3 different system on differents accounts simultaneously and build a start up, so be patient, but sure I'll take proper time to have my eyes on it and test it for a few weeks). But even if now i'm a consistent trader, I'm still a noobie
  • #15,225
  • Aug 28, 2012 5:40pm Aug 28, 2012 5:40pm
Quoting Fable
Much apprecied! I have to say that between you and Fed77, the symphonie thread was becoming a bit messy (no offense). Thanks to clarifie it.

Regards,

Fable

ps: I will take a look at your way of trading as soon as I can, and if you want let you know my opinion on it.
But for now I'm really busy (I work 18h/24, trade 3 different system on differents accounts simultaneously and build a start up, so be patient, but sure I'll take proper time to have my eyes on it and test it for a few weeks)

lol.. sorry if we have alot to discuss about trading..


yah when you try my system, don't hesitate to listen to what other people are talking about. just to give you a bigger picture on the politics of things
  • #15,226
  • Aug 28, 2012 5:52pm Aug 28, 2012 5:52pm
Quoting allisonmagic
lol.. sorry if we have alot to discuss about trading..


yah when you try my system, don't hesitate to listen to what other people are talking about. just to give you a bigger picture on the politics of things
English is not my mother tong, I don't know if we have lots to talk about, just it looks interesting and efficient. I was just thinking that more details were necessary.

Fable
  • #15,227
  • Aug 28, 2012 5:55pm Aug 28, 2012 5:55pm
Quoting Fable
English is not my mother tong, I don't know if we have lots to talk about, just it looks interesting and efficient. I was just thinking that more details were necessary.

Fable

anything you need, let me know i'm willing to help anyone who needs it
  • #15,228
  • Aug 28, 2012 7:50pm Aug 28, 2012 7:50pm
short AUD/CAD at 1.02409
  • #15,229
  • Aug 28, 2012 8:09pm Aug 28, 2012 8:09pm
Quoting allisonmagic
Of course, i'd love to be of help. well for the moment im using added indicators with symphonie. From fed77, they are signalbars and demark trendline indicators..as well as the RSI indicator to confirm strength of the trends. Of course i am always watching for news releases, i never trade the news(keep an eye on bloomberg tv and dailyfx !). my trades are based on the 1 hour charts. i use signalbars to confirm the trend(signal bars shows the direction of price action on the 1m,15m,30m,1h,4h,daily) and demark trendlines to assist symphonie with my...
Hello allisonmagic, Can you explain how do you use the info from the RSI Charts and Heat Maps?
Thank you!!
  • #15,230
  • Aug 28, 2012 8:26pm Aug 28, 2012 8:26pm
Quoting bcarbon
Hello allisonmagic, Can you explain how do you use the info from the RSI Charts and Heat Maps?
Thank you!!

gladly !

#1. open our heat maps at http://www.netdania.com/Products/liv...eList.aspx?m=q

#2. Right click anywhere on the list to "add quote" and pick from the currency pairs your trading. ( if the pair is already listed, your good to go)


#3. If you are a long term trader, left click on the tab to the right that shows "Y %Change", this will sort out the longer term directions of price actions on each currency pair.

#4. If you are a short term or mid term trader like me, click on the tab that shows " Change or %Change " for a more short term direction of price.this will show you the percentages or (IN PIPS) changes of the pairs you are working with.


RED is Bearish, GREEN is Bullish


These are the overall price changes of our currency's ..

TIP: when i look for a pair to trade, i look for each statistic or price action in green or red on all price changes, from "% change" to "Y% change"




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RSI Charts..

http://www.forexticket.us/en/forex-c...-index#c_index

this is very simplified.. to your right you will see colored circles next to a specific currency.. for me, i click every single one of the majors to show the direction of price over a specific amount of time. as you can see we have 1m, 5m, 15m, 1h, 4h, and daily ! very convenient.. now after you have clicked each currency on the right, you will notice they show up in the box " chart " to your left. now you have a good idea of what currencies to pair against.... at this very moment if i wanted to trade a strong pair, i would be looking at EUR/CHF/CAD against JPY/AUD/USD.. if you look closely you will notice they are very far apart in price action.. above the chart you will see " in colors " the % changes of each of the currencies listed. VERY COOL ! now we know wich pairs we would like to get in on..



Combine both RSI charts and Heat maps with symphonie and there's no stopping you !


Happy Trading !
  • #15,231
  • Aug 28, 2012 10:09pm Aug 28, 2012 10:09pm
Quoting allisonmagic
gladly !

#1. open our heat maps at http://www.netdania.com/Products/liv...eList.aspx?m=q

#2. Right click anywhere on the list to "add quote" and pick from the currency pairs your trading. ( if the pair is already listed, your good to go)


#3. If you are a long term trader, left click on the tab to the right that shows "Y %Change", this will sort out the longer term directions of price actions on each currency pair.

#4. If you are a short term or mid term...
Thank You!!
  • #15,232
  • Aug 29, 2012 4:59pm Aug 29, 2012 4:59pm
It appears that the EURUSD is making a lower top from prior top. (see post #15217) This would make me think that EURUSD will be heading lower soon.

I think markt will remain stalled until the Friday ''Ben Bernanke Show'' but I think alot of fireworks will happen at the Jackson Hole Economic Symposium.
It is my opinion that there will be a same sideways movements in the markts for Thursday as the EURUSD has stay in a 70 pip range.

I would not recommend trading after USA markt close on Thursday until after the Bernanke has given his speech. Then look for some major movements if ''the Bernanke'' says nothing new and indikate no additional QE for USA Economy. IF that happens then EURUSD should drop dramatically. If he does hint of a new program to stimulate the USA economy look for a new EUR rally to take place and possibles reach 1.26700.

So, for me....''sometimes the best trade is no trade'' I am happy to sit watch and wait on the markt to decide and let it give me pips when it moves.

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #15,233
  • Aug 30, 2012 9:01am Aug 30, 2012 9:01am
-as i got informed in the genesis thread, the matrix indicator here is repainting. --> has this issue been fixed?

-unfortunately i dont get popups on 4 bars in same color closed. only get to hear a sound. it would be nice if its getting modded a tiny bit so that you have more options on what to get alerted by popup (and what not) and then additionally also to choose between what alert style (sound, popup, etc.). e.g. at the moment I'm not getting alerted every time the matrix shows me four buy signals and i don't know why and how to modify...

- is this indicator only available as ex4 or also as mql because i do like open systems so that i can exactly see how everything is calculated. this is also very helpful if you move to another platform and so on


thanks and happy pips
  • #15,234
  • Aug 30, 2012 11:47am Aug 30, 2012 11:47am
Quoting ProfNuke
-as i got informed in the genesis thread, the matrix indicator here is repainting. --> has this issue been fixed?

-unfortunately i dont get popups on 4 bars in same color closed. only get to hear a sound. it would be nice if its getting modded a tiny bit so that you have more options on what to get alerted by popup (and what not) and then additionally also to choose between what alert style (sound, popup, etc.). e.g. at the moment I'm not getting alerted every time the matrix shows me four buy signals and i don't know why and how to modify...

-...
ProfNuke,

Sentiment and Emotion are prone to repaint but that is to be expected because that is what emotions do....however, I have no problems with Extreme or Trendline and when the 4 line up then that is the point ot take the signal. Then follow it to an extreme or trendline change will put you in profit. Remember, Symphonie is a back sided deisign and does not top or bottom pick it is designed to see the turns and get you in the markt when the larger movements are happening so you are avoiding whipsaws.

But that is only the first stage. Using methods like Symphonie 60-5 or reversal plays or all of the things explained in post #1 are where your success comes into play. Symphonie is much more than just indikators on a Matrix grid it is a total system involving discipline, money managment, pattern recognition, ARS, Account Protection rules, etc...

Again, all that is explained in post#1 and how to use Symphonie.

Gensis is just Symphonie with some add on indikators. However, I am not aware of any rule sets like you will find here on this thread.

Which ever system you choose I wish you best of luck in your trading and hope that this thread has help make you a successful trader.

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #15,235
  • Aug 30, 2012 7:24pm Aug 30, 2012 7:24pm
Want to get paid before friday ? check the RSI and get in early !
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  • #15,236
  • Aug 30, 2012 9:10pm Aug 30, 2012 9:10pm
Quoting Evaluator
Gensis is just Symphonie with some add on indikators. .
Actually it is not. Symphonie was a complete set of repainting indicators, and you and I know full well where TVi came from and who it was who did all the ground work to make that happen.

The Matrix was designed by Lhdt was simply another way to represent the same indicators.....a better way in fact.

Genesis has nothing to do with Symphonie. The only similarity is the Matrix, which, as I have just said, was created by Lio. The matrix that we are using in Genesis is created by Xaphod and Cody and is an efficient representation of 4 non repainting indicators, and has nothing whatsoever to do with Symphonie....unless of course you wish to lay claim to every system that uses a confluence of 4 or more indicators.

The only common things between Symphonie and Genesis is TVi, and as I said, you and I both know where that came from.....and the Matrix method of showing the indicators...... Symphonie created by Lio, and Genesis created by Xaphod and Cody, with the input of a team of traders and thoroughly tested.

You said yourself, that Symphonie is a system which encompasses pattern recognition, wave counts, money management etc etc etc etc

Genesis is none of the above....and it most certainly IS NOT Symphonie with a "few add on indicators"......

Your arrogance grows daily.......
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  • #15,237
  • Aug 31, 2012 12:38am Aug 31, 2012 12:38am
Quoting realjumper

Your arrogance grows daily.......
Can I just say that this whole thing is tragic. I have been following this thread for a very long time and I saw a lot of contributions by Evaluator, RealJumper and many others.

Now I have to monitor two different threads to get the whole picture.

I use Symphonie 60-5, but actually I use the genesis matrix for a technical reason (the way genesis paints a higher timeframe matrix i can beautifully see 60-5 in action).

I have done hundreds of hours of testing and I get such similar results from both. For me I use symphonie because it works better for alarms, it's just a personal choice.

Why this stupid divide? Why argue? Please I would like to encourage everybody to try and reach some sort of balance.

Either that or Evaluator and RealJumper should have a fight to the death.

Can't we all just be friends?
  • #15,238
  • Aug 31, 2012 12:55am Aug 31, 2012 12:55am
Quoting blerkd
Can I just say that this whole thing is tragic. I have been following this thread for a very long time and I saw a lot of contributions by Evaluator, RealJumper and many others.

Now I have to monitor two different threads to get the whole picture.

I use Symphonie 60-5, but actually I use the genesis matrix for a technical reason (the way genesis paints a higher timeframe matrix i can beautifully see 60-5 in action).

I have done hundreds of hours of testing and I get such similar results from both. For me I use symphonie because it works better...
RJ was obviously annoyed to read that Genesis is symphonie with a couple of add-on indicators which it blatantly is not, apart from TVi which was RJ's idea in the first place, the rest are completely different indicators so it bears no relation to symphonie at all. Its not just a matter of using one above the other because of alarms, if you use Genesis you are not using the same indicators, so the comparison between the two is insulting to RJ.
  • #15,239
  • Aug 31, 2012 1:08am Aug 31, 2012 1:08am
Quoting ohammond
RJ was obviously annoyed to read that Genesis is symphonie with a couple of add-on indicators which it blatantly is not, apart from TVi which was RJ's idea in the first place, the rest are completely different indicators so it bears no relation to symphonie at all. Its not just a matter of using one above the other because of alarms, if you use Genesis you are not using the same indicators, so the comparison between the two is insulting to RJ.
The matrix signals at practically the same time.

On my main desktop I use genesis and for my portable laptop I use Symphonie Matrix advanced. Usually the signals line up.

Genesis uses t3 and ghl instead of whatever is in original symphonie emotion and sentiment. The TVi and CCI (extreme and trend) are the same.. Right?

I'm not expert but apart from that the only difference is arrow (not even strictly used for signals), stochastics and a 5 minute moving average. And HA depending on who is using it.

Correct me if I'm wrong
  • #15,240
  • Aug 31, 2012 1:16am Aug 31, 2012 1:16am
Quoting blerkd
The matrix signals at practically the same time.

On my main desktop I use genesis and for my portable laptop I use Symphonie Matrix advanced. Usually the signals line up.

Genesis uses t3 and ghl instead of whatever is in original symphonie emotion and sentiment. The TVi and CCI (extreme and trend) are the same.. Right?

I'm not expert but apart from that the only difference is arrow (not even strictly used for signals), stochastics and a 5 minute moving average. And HA depending on who is using it.

Correct me if I'm wrong
The symphonie system started with the Extreme (which was actually symphonie extreme not TVi) RJ persuaded Eval to change to the TVi and Eval renamed it extreme to match the other indicator that was being used (under protest at the time from RJ because he doesn't like people renaming indicators that aren't theirs). The trendline indicator that Eval uses although based on CCI repaints up to 2 bars, the CCI indicator used in Genesis does not repaint at all. The other 2 indicators are completely different. That is why, if you read back through the thread there are countless posts here from people saying that the signal was there when they went in, and then it wasn't anymore, which you don't get with Genesis. Symphonie looks good in hindsight.
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