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  • #12,261
  • May 7, 2012 2:15pm May 7, 2012 2:15pm
Quoting woolo
Hi everyone,

Finished my first days trail run of the system. Any pointers to be improved on will be taken note of for my next trial/demo! (Want to trade the system as is for a week first)

It's been a day filled with losses for me today. Only trading EURUSD with indicator settings from post one and using exit strategy 1. Although i never got above 30 pips so lots of closes after 4 extreme bars instead.

I have attached the chart of my trades bellow.

The trades all finished at the following prices:
-16 pips
-12 pips
-4 pips
-2 pips
-9 pips

These...
If you want to test this system as Eval first did at the beginning of the thread then you have the wrong indicators on there. You have v3.01 of the matrix when that didn't come out until way later. If you want to test then you need to do it with the old original indicators that Eval used. You can't mix up the indicators and expect to use them as he did the originals at the moment you're mixing up 2 different ways of trading it. Blackeagle still uses the original system: http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...29#post5458829 and is very successful at it, so it might be an idea to look at his posts and put on the indicators he has.
  • #12,262
  • May 7, 2012 2:22pm May 7, 2012 2:22pm
Taken from post 1 (exit strategies section)
Quote
One caveat.....once you get an extreme spike wait for 3 to 4 bars to see it the Extereme holds or exit on first from version 3.0
You are using version 3 and exiting as the previous version.
  • #12,263
  • May 7, 2012 2:23pm May 7, 2012 2:23pm
Quoting woolo
Its seems i hit a nerve!

No I am trading as per the rules in post 1, I am posting my losses because back in the begining on the thread I saw Evaluator and others asking for people to post their negative results for feedback, thats is what I am doing here. How else do I learn to use this system?

My advice is take a breath, sit back look out the window and realise I am here to jump into the thread to learn not complain or insult anyone else. Admitting losses is the only way they can be avoided. Right?

Imagine a child in the classroom who never...
You were given constructive feedback when you were posting charts in the beginning of the day. You did NOT receive it well, and said you were NOT taking suggestions to improve your trades. You basically wanted to put wooden wheels on your car and learn for yourself (your response to RJ). Do you remember Mr. scientist? Don't pull that bullshit with me. You were given constructive feedback to further your progress and you didn't take well to it. Yes you hit a nerve. Your arrogance. Keep posting, you will not receive any help from me. Discussion done.
  • #12,264
  • May 7, 2012 2:28pm May 7, 2012 2:28pm
[quote]
Quoting woolo
Hi everyone,

Finished my first days trail run of the system. Any pointers to be improved on will be taken note of for my next trial/demo! (Want to trade the system as is for a week first)

It's been a day filled with losses for me today. Only trading EURUSD with indicator settings from post one and using exit strategy 1. Although i never got above 30 pips so lots of closes after 4 extreme bars instead.

I have attached the chart of my trades bellow.

The trades all finished at the following prices:
-16 pips
-12 pips
-4 pips
-2 pips
-9 pips
Hello,

Is is a pitty that you didnīt take the earlier trades at frankfurt opening, those would cover partially if not totally the afternoon losses.
  • #12,265
  • May 7, 2012 2:35pm May 7, 2012 2:35pm
Quoting ohammond
If you want to test this system as Eval first did at the beginning of the thread then you have the wrong indicators on there. You have v3.01 of the matrix when that didn't come out until way later. If you want to test then you need to do it with the old original indicators that Eval used. You can't mix up the indicators and expect to use them as he did the originals at the moment you're mixing up 2 different ways of trading it. Blackeagle still uses the original system: http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...29#post5458829...
Thanks I will read through their posts! Thought v3.01 would work universally? Never mind a lot to learn lol.

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Hello,

Is is a pitty that you didnīt take the earlier trades at frankfurt opening, those would cover partially if not totally the afternoon losses.

Yeah, I saw them they would have made up quite a bit of the losses! Did'nt start until the end of the upward move though! Nevermind!
  • #12,266
  • May 7, 2012 3:02pm May 7, 2012 3:02pm
Quoting woolo
Thanks I will read through their posts! Thought v3.01 would work universally? Never mind a lot to learn lol.
They are used in different ways. We had to wait for the original extreme spike to stay there for 4 bars because it would very often disappear at the very next bar. This new extreme (the TVI2) doesn't repaint, so once its there and the bar closed, there it stays.
  • #12,267
  • May 7, 2012 3:11pm May 7, 2012 3:11pm
Hi guys hope everyone is doing well in health and in trading!! Still in the process of moving my funds to a US regulated broker

The vacation from trading has been nice but I'm definately missing it already even only after a week and a half. Trading offers something new to learn every day and not only helps me grow as a person but also as a trader.

Hope to be back by the end of this week! Cheers!
  • #12,268
  • May 7, 2012 3:17pm May 7, 2012 3:17pm
end of the day this is my viewpoint. Sometimes im not waiting arrow but it is caming for confirmation and Im more relax that time.

Red line stoploss green line TP.

I used RJ' s old advice with new matrix. My day finished with my time 16:00 (Frankfurt). Because 30Mn TVI start Red.

Also I have LTF-AtrProjektion I like it for TP.

With your comment I can fix my mistake. realjumper, ohammond, timf1979,
FXSwissTrader, Dyekid217 Thank you. Also yelena and the Great Evaluator.

Not: My English not good. Basic talk.
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  • #12,269
  • May 7, 2012 3:50pm May 7, 2012 3:50pm
Quoting ozgsnr
end of the day this is my viewpoint. Sometimes im not waiting arrow but it is caming for confirmation and Im more relax that time.

Red line stoploss green line TP.

I used RJ' s old advice with new matrix. My day finished with my time 16:00 (Frankfurt). Because 30Mn TVI start Red.

Also I have LTF-AtrProjektion I like it for TP.

With your comment I can fix my mistake. realjumper, ohammond, timf1979,
FXSwissTrader, Dyekid217 Thank you. Also yelena and the Great Evaluator.

Not: My English not good. Basic talk.
Well done ozgsnr and we can understand you fine
  • #12,270
  • Edited May 8, 2012 1:48am May 7, 2012 4:01pm | Edited May 8, 2012 1:48am
In my quest to how to best trade trend versus ranging I have been using something that I wanted to pass on that one trading in the 5 min timeframe may find as a useful tool to keep you out of traidng against the trend and give one better positioning when the market turns into ranging whipsaws.

The majic component is the 60 day moving average. By adding this simple component one can clearly see which way the market is moving and trade with the overall markt direction and not counter to it. I have found that with the crazy consolidation mode that the markt has been stuck in for the past 3 months the 60MA has become a valuable tool in keeping one on the correct side of the changes in markt conditions.

As usual, I wait for a Symphonie Signal and then only take those that match the price action placement with the 60 MA (price action above the line only buys, price aciton below only sells).

Test this out and see if it improves your trading in the 5 min timeframe.

Evaluator.:nerd:

P.S. This also works in hightimeframe although I would imagine a 30MA would be better in the higher timeframes.
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  • #12,271
  • May 7, 2012 4:28pm May 7, 2012 4:28pm
Eval looks quite interesting. Finding the proper MA to compliment rj's MA5 is golden. Can't wait to get back into the game!
  • #12,272
  • May 7, 2012 4:33pm May 7, 2012 4:33pm
Quoting ohammond
Well done ozgsnr and we can understand you fine
Thank you. If I loss generally my misstake. Last a few days good but for all time I will see.

Plase tell me if im doing wrong something. Or if community changed for better way to use Symphonie.
  • #12,273
  • May 7, 2012 4:39pm May 7, 2012 4:39pm
Quoting Evaluator
In my quest to how to best trade trend versus ranging I have been using something that I wanted to pass on that one trading in the 5 min timeframe may find as a useful tool to keep you out of traidng against the trend and give one better positioning when the market turns into ranging whipsaws.

The majic component is the 60 day moving average. By adding this simple component one can clearly see which way the market is moving and trade with the overall markt direction and not counter to it. I have found that with the crazy consolidation mode...
Hi Evaluator Thank you for all.

I have this coral default 34 but 60 better filter I see. Do you have a look, please?

Not: Normaly I used in another system 60coral.

Sorry for my English.
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  • #12,274
  • May 7, 2012 4:39pm May 7, 2012 4:39pm
Awesome work Ozgsnr and congratulations!!!!!!!!!

playing 605-5 or 30-5 symphonie? do you mind to share the LTF-atr projection with us?


Quoting ozgsnr
end of the day this is my viewpoint. Sometimes im not waiting arrow but it is caming for confirmation and Im more relax that time.

Red line stoploss green line TP.

I used RJ' s old advice with new matrix. My day finished with my time 16:00 (Frankfurt). Because 30Mn TVI start Red.

Also I have LTF-AtrProjektion I like it for TP.

With your comment I can fix my mistake. realjumper, ohammond, timf1979,
FXSwissTrader, Dyekid217 Thank you. Also yelena and the Great Evaluator.

Not: My English not good. Basic talk.
  • #12,275
  • May 7, 2012 4:56pm May 7, 2012 4:56pm
Quoting Dyekid217
Hi guys hope everyone is doing well in health and in trading!! Still in the process of moving my funds to a US regulated broker

The vacation from trading has been nice but I'm definately missing it already even only after a week and a half. Trading offers something new to learn every day and not only helps me grow as a person but also as a trader.

Hope to be back by the end of this week! Cheers!
Traders and vacation? I didn't know you could combine that
New voice message: Why are you calling me? If I need you, I'll call you!
  • #12,276
  • Edited 5:09pm May 7, 2012 4:58pm | Edited 5:09pm
Quoting woolo
Of course not! But you know "on the words of noone" and all that jazz.

I am a scientist at heart so being able to replicate results is part of my learning process. Sure one person in this thread has shown positive results but that is only one person. Could those results be false? Possibly, not saying they are but how should i know? Testing is the only way.
In KS3 science students are told to always do a test three times with the same standard conditions just to minimise the effect of chance/probability in the whole thing. To get a more accurate...
Ok.....I understand what you're saying. My questions to you then are:

1. Why would you bother to learn a system from the very start, when the system has evolved to what it is today. It hasn't changed, the system is still very much the same, but it is much easier to 'operate' now than it once was. Going through the process of frustration with the old repainting extreme spike learning the 4 bar exit after opposite extreme seems a little silly, when you are going to have to 'unlearn' it at a later stage.

2. How much experience do you have trading....live or demo? If this (or any system) could be traded 100% mechanically, as you seem to be attempting, then we could fairly easily create an EA to trade for us and retire to the Bahama's and let the fortune just roll on in to our bank accounts!! Unfortunately, that system has never been developed, despite thousands of attempts. This (and most) system(s) is an extremely valuable assistant to help us trade profitably. It is an *assistant*. Knowing which signal is likely to lead to a profitable trade is something that must be learned the old fashioned way.

As you read through the thread you will come across much information and screenshots of trade setups as well as good and bad times to trade. But even before that.....you must know, and have at least demoed for quite some time, basic trading skills and understand of market movement. If not, you will see many more negative results in your testing, and it's not indicative of the system, or a fair evaluation/assessment of it.

Trading is not like scientific formula....it very much is discretionary and attempting to trade with e=mc squared thinking will result in failure I'm afraid.

So, if you are relatively new to trading, don't go an further with your assessment of this system because you are not being fair to it. Instead, go here are then spend a couple of months demoing what you have learned.....it will stay with you for ever.

If you're not new to trading, then apply your discretionary powers to your trading and let the system assist you in making sound and profitable decisions.

Above all......test the system as used by those who are well experienced and profitable.....some of us have pretty reliable and consistent electric heaters, we don't need to rub two sticks together to make fire!!
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #12,277
  • May 7, 2012 4:58pm May 7, 2012 4:58pm
Quoting timf1979
Awesome work Ozgsnr and congratulations!!!!!!!!!

playing 605-5 or 30-5 symphonie? do you mind to share the LTF-atr projection with us?
with pleasure.
60-5 but I think 30-5 faster better squeeze time. I bored band.
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  • #12,278
  • May 7, 2012 5:03pm May 7, 2012 5:03pm
bored band.... thanks for the indi i will take a look at... by the way i like coral

Quoting ozgsnr
with pleasure.
60-5 but I think 30-5 faster better squeeze time. I bored band.
  • #12,279
  • May 7, 2012 5:04pm May 7, 2012 5:04pm
Quoting realjumper
Well our daily pennant thingee finally broke, the France/Greek elections did the deed. Give that France has a new pres, and Greece has no coalition....and may not get one which will force another election.....add that to the IMP stipulation that whoever forms the govt has to affirm the austerity measures or they no more bailout money.....etc etc etc.....it really is a mess over there. But, will the Euro proceed to crash or will it continue in it's year long ranging nonsense until Greece defaults, leaves the EU or tows the IMF line?

Who knows?...
Here is the retest of the line as I was speaking of yesterday. The question is will the pa turn south now as this support becomes resistance.....or is it going to re-enter? The stochastic doesn't look good for the bears at the moment, and yesterdays bullish engulfing confirms that, but time will tell!
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Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #12,280
  • May 7, 2012 6:25pm May 7, 2012 6:25pm
Hey guys, had to wipe and reinstall the pc...getting a little clogged! Just wanted to double check something. Noticed the change of settings on post 1 for trendline so I just wanted to know if I've set this up ok....

My Old setup
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With 30 as setting for CCI for trendline indikator and matrix v3.0.1 (old sentiment)

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/9230/without50.jpg

My New Setup

With 50 as setting for CCI for trendline indikator and matrix v3.0.1 (old sentiment)

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3906/with50.jpg

I presume (probably wrongly) that you enter 50 in both the trendline and matrix cci sections???

Reading through post 1 with the sub topics today has proven invaluable. Hats off as always to Eval and his loyal helpers, your help and imparting of knowledge is much appreciated!!

Cheers guys,

Mr P
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