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  • #10,481
  • Apr 3, 2012 2:08pm Apr 3, 2012 2:08pm
Quoting FXSwissTrader
Eval. How long are you riding this? Are you holding on with a trailing stop?

See post #10453 I am look to expand triangle point #4
  • #10,482
  • Edited 2:57pm Apr 3, 2012 2:11pm | Edited 2:57pm
Quoting Evaluator
See post #10453 I am look to expand triangle point #4

I actually read your post earlier today. Great analysis.
  • #10,483
  • Apr 3, 2012 3:14pm Apr 3, 2012 3:14pm
Quoting Dyekid217
can anyone tell me what I'm doiing wrong here?? I'm taking perfect 60-5 entries but they dont come to mature. By the time the 1hr extreme signal shows opposite im already negative by a good amount

ive been experiencing this non-stop trading the 60-5 method
It was just much too late, the H1 had signalled much earlier, and looking at the H1 chart when you took the trade, shows the main reason it failed. The arrow points to the candle where you made your entry. 3 x H1 candles had failed to close below the Monthly pivot, and the last of those candles (the one before your entry) was a hammer showing a bigger rejection. I would have looked to another currency for a better setup.
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  • #10,484
  • Apr 3, 2012 4:14pm Apr 3, 2012 4:14pm
Quoting fxwall
Dear friend, i think you donīt need to speak in this way.
Because for say this kind of thing is better you or someone put the thread in "PRIVATE".
But its ok for you to answer the person above with
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good luke... else "more food for the cannon"
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this STF is nice but let me tell you one think, "he" donīt do nothing that a "good" two MA more few good indicatores donīt make.

I say this because i already tested in H1 timeframe, and this only work well when the market trend well, but didnīt work well any system when market trend ?
Well thats that then, better not trade H1 again after you've tested it and found it basically fails most of the time, good job you told me.

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I know that i will see a "faithful" followers hit me on the "head" but i donīt like this kind of arrogance.
moreover we all know, at least those who walk on it some years, the best system is the one we do, taking what is good we get to know in each system.
We are not "faithful followers" we have argued quite a few points between us, and the reason we like the system is simple, it makes money. What realjumper has said is the truth, not arrogance. Anybody that has come onto this thread with a question that hasn't been answered before, has been answered politely, which is why this thread has survived and grown as it has. If someone hasn't "got time" to do some studying, then they shouldn't be trading at all, because it takes a lot of effort and time to get it right.
  • #10,485
  • Apr 3, 2012 4:19pm Apr 3, 2012 4:19pm
Quoting fxwall
Dear friend, i think you donīt need to speak in this way.
Because for say this kind of thing is better you or someone put the thread in "PRIVATE".

this STF is nice but let me tell you one think, "he" donīt do nothing that a "good" two MA more few good indicatores donīt make.

I say this because i already tested in H1 timeframe, and this only work well when the market trend well, but didnīt work well any system when market trend ?

I know that i will see a "faithful" followers hit me on the "head" but i donīt like this kind of arrogance.
moreover...
I won't say that in private because that is for everyone to see. Just a page or two back, there is yet another person who wants to be spoon fed....he informs us that the indicators repaint, which clearly shows that he hasn't even had the courtesy to read the first post!!!

The rest of your post I just don't understand, sorry. I don't speak Portuguese and whatever your point was is lost in the translation somewhere.
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  • #10,486
  • Apr 3, 2012 4:27pm Apr 3, 2012 4:27pm
Quoting yelena
on #10428 you asked eval how to exit using TVI. he suggested "at the first change of color opposite your position."

toady was my first time to trade NZD. and i don't quite know it so i tested the waters.

the H1 sell signal was at the close of the 8:00 am bar, technically 9:00 (now repainted). the first M5 sell signal was at the close of the 10:00 bar and i exited at color change in M5 at 11 pips. then re-entered at the close of 13:00 bar and exited...
Thats interesting yelena, which arrow indicator are you using now? Also he is trading 60-5 which is a full signal on H1, which there wasn't for another 2 H1 bars.
  • #10,487
  • Apr 3, 2012 4:45pm Apr 3, 2012 4:45pm
So it took FOMC to break the H4 channel, shown here on the Daily chart. Before we can call and end to this consolidation that we have been stuck in, we need to see some more downside. It would be nice if the PA can follow through, the stochastic is well positioned for more bear action so perhaps we will see some follow through. Symphonie will show the way though
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  • #10,488
  • Apr 3, 2012 5:03pm Apr 3, 2012 5:03pm
Quoting Dyekid217
can anyone tell me what I'm doiing wrong here?? I'm taking perfect 60-5 entries but they dont come to mature. By the time the 1hr extreme signal shows opposite im already negative by a good amount

ive been experiencing this non-stop trading the 60-5 method
In my opinion, the answer to your failed trade is in the H1 chart that you must have used on the 60 - 5 method. Ohammond has made some valid points, and here is the reasons why I would not have taken that trade. I have marked on the H1 chart where your entry was on the M5 chart. Just look at that stochastic!!! It is well underground, and it has crossed too. That alone is a definite no-no for entering a trade.

I keep saying it....the stochastic needs to be on the charts....it will save you in these situations.
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  • #10,489
  • Apr 3, 2012 5:20pm Apr 3, 2012 5:20pm
Quoting realjumper
In my opinion, the answer to your failed trade is in the H1 chart that you must have used on the 60 - 5 method. Ohammond has made some valid points, and here is the reasons why I would not have taken that trade. I have marked on the H1 chart where your entry was on the M5 chart. Just look at that stochastic!!! It is well underground, and it has crossed too. That alone is a definite no-no for entering a trade.

I keep saying it....the stochastic needs to be on the charts....it will save you in these situations.
yeah I just had the TVI instead of stoch and I think it definately needs to be on there now that I look at it...

Could have made a ton of pips today if I stayed in for fomc but I wont trade the news..

Only came away with +20 today..but could have been negative atleast I was in the green... I want to make this month a profitable one with symphony.
  • #10,490
  • Apr 3, 2012 5:29pm Apr 3, 2012 5:29pm
Quoting ohammond
Well I can't see them, could you post a chart (M5) from today where it would have saved false signals but still got in on good ones.
Here is the chart 5minTF, yelow line signal generated by matrix- filtered, blue line signal alowed.
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  • #10,491
  • Apr 3, 2012 5:42pm Apr 3, 2012 5:42pm
Quoting realjumper
In my opinion, the answer to your failed trade is in the H1 chart that you must have used on the 60 - 5 method. Ohammond has made some valid points, and here is the reasons why I would not have taken that trade. I have marked on the H1 chart where your entry was on the M5 chart. Just look at that stochastic!!! It is well underground, and it has crossed too. That alone is a definite no-no for entering a trade.

I keep saying it....the stochastic needs to be on the charts....it will save you in these situations.
Trading systems & Indicators are being developed for the purpose of not thinking while making a move/trading...that is filtering all the noise...if one has to think while making a decision to buy/sell...than system is not working correctly
  • #10,492
  • Apr 3, 2012 7:20pm Apr 3, 2012 7:20pm
Quoting Pavaka
Trading systems & Indicators are being developed for the purpose of not thinking while making a move/trading...that is filtering all the noise...if one has to think while making a decision to buy/sell...than system is not working correctly
No....you are 100% wrong.

Trading systems & Indicators are being developed for the purpose of assisting the trader by providing as much information as is possible so that he/she may make an informed decision which is more likely to yield a profit than not.

If, as you suggest, there was no thinking involved in making a decision, then you would have an EA......which this system is not.....nor could it be.
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #10,493
  • Apr 3, 2012 7:55pm Apr 3, 2012 7:55pm
Quoting realjumper
No....you are 100% wrong.

Trading systems & Indicators are being developed for the purpose of assisting the trader by providing as much information as is possible so that he/she may make an informed decision which is more likely to yield a profit than not.

If, as you suggest, there was no thinking involved in making a decision, then you would have an EA......which this system is not.....nor could it be.
I strongly disagree with you...thinking process debilitates action...ask 99% of "traders", who lost money...they were all thinkers...
  • #10,494
  • Apr 3, 2012 8:10pm Apr 3, 2012 8:10pm
Quoting Pavaka
I strongly disagree with you...thinking process debilitates action...ask 99% of "traders", who lost money...they were all thinkers...

A system that requires no thinking does not exist. Period.
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #10,495
  • Apr 3, 2012 8:14pm Apr 3, 2012 8:14pm
Quoting realjumper
A system that requires no thinking does not exist. Period.
they call such system "The Holy Grail"...heard about it?
  • #10,496
  • Apr 3, 2012 8:16pm Apr 3, 2012 8:16pm
Quoting Pavaka
they call such system "The Holy Grail"...heard about it?
As I said, a system that requires no thinking does not exist. Call it whatever you want, it does not exist.
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #10,497
  • Apr 3, 2012 9:52pm Apr 3, 2012 9:52pm
Quoting realjumper
As I said, a system that requires no thinking does not exist. Call it whatever you want, it does not exist.
not yet...or we don't know about it
  • #10,498
  • Edited Apr 4, 2012 12:31am Apr 3, 2012 11:57pm | Edited Apr 4, 2012 12:31am
Quoting tehnobyte
Here is the chart 5minTF, yelow line signal generated by matrix- filtered, blue line signal alowed.

do we take the settings as 20, 2, 20, 1.5, 12?

do you mean that we take buy or sell signals is the filter is blue?

wait for the bar to close or not?

one thing i noticed. it's not helpful in entries but very handy in re-entries. say if the TVI signaled a re-entry in a 60-5 strat, its valuable. today is the best time to test it since we had a non-retracing trend yesterday. running 4 pairs right now

it does make you miss good moves, so having multiple currencies seems to be a must. like in "1" only GU and AU were tradeable when in fact, all 4 were tradeable.

then on "2" only GU disallowed trade. at the moment, all the other 3 pairs allowed a sell. although it looks bad right now, we'll see whether Tp10 or SL gets to be hit first.
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  • #10,499
  • Apr 4, 2012 1:43am Apr 4, 2012 1:43am
Quoting Pavaka
Trading systems & Indicators are being developed for the purpose of not thinking while making a move/trading...that is filtering all the noise...if one has to think while making a decision to buy/sell...than system is not working correctly

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I strongly disagree with you...thinking process debilitates action...ask 99% of "traders", who lost money...they were all thinkers...
Pavaka,

You are most definitely in the wrong thread. Symphonie is all about thinking and making the right decisions at the right moment and taking advantage of market conditions by correct identification of trends and price action movements. To think otherwise is totally naive and stupid.


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they call such system "The Holy Grail"...heard about it?
If you truely believe this statement then please, please, please....move on because this it not the thread for you.

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #10,500
  • Edited 2:37am Apr 4, 2012 2:26am | Edited 2:37am
Quoting yelena
do we take the settings as 20, 2, 20, 1.5, 12?

do you mean that we take buy or sell signals is the filter is blue?

wait for the bar to close or not?

one thing i noticed. it's not helpful in entries but very handy in re-entries. say if the TVI signaled a re-entry in a 60-5 strat, its valuable. today is the best time to test it since we had a non-retracing trend yesterday. running 4 pairs right now

it does make you miss good moves, so having multiple currencies seems to be a must. like in "1" only GU and AU were tradeable when in fact, all...
Yes if the filter is blue and there is signal then I take the signal or when the signal is generated inside range (red bars on signal filter) i wait for blue bar to take the signal and also evaluate if then is not too late overbought/oversold


i don't wait for blue bar to close i am watching price breakout from range (the current bar will repaint )
EU you open position when long bar breakout of range then filter will be blue, don't wait bar to close
EJ also you have signal before filter indicator show range so you take that signal and when filter show you range you have 2 possibilities read more from link below please!

read please this post i have described little more how to use signal filter
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...38#post5536938
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