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  • #6,721
  • Feb 24, 2012 3:18pm Feb 24, 2012 3:18pm
i often have the same problem, that the extreme spike indicator show different spikes when attached. somtimes every 5-7 bars a signal, somtimes it seems the right signals at the last high/low swing, sometimes they are dancing wild where they like to be. and a autorefresh doesn't help nor a TF switch. only a MT4 restart helps, but this could not be the solution.
i think with @comers V2 indicators provide the same signals for all here and a basis for discussion.
it does not help to say: 'could you please upload a picture of your chart to compare if we have the same signals or not', 'Ehhmmm, why you had signal XY at this time and i not' etc. pp.

i would like to code @comers new v2 extreme spike indicator into the symphonie signaler but is is only .ex4 available.
maybe @lhDT could help if he provide me .mq4

whish you a nice weekend
  • #6,722
  • Feb 24, 2012 3:39pm Feb 24, 2012 3:39pm
Quoting yelena
in the 9:30 trade, i received both M5 and H1 signals. so I followed H1.

the 11:55 counter trade was purely PA, no symphonie there but i still used fibo for exit

the 14:55 were simultaneous M5 and H1, so i still used H1.

the 16:25 was an M5 so i used M5. however, i did received H1 3 bars afterwards, but that was already TP1 in M5 so i bagged what i could.

makes sense?
YELENA
thanks for sharing your way of using symphonie
here is my question :
why do you use 2 charts per pair ?
why dont you use just one M5 chart as the signal indy 1.7 allows you to set the Higher tf in the display
you could display on the same M5 chart H1 and M5
No
am i wrong ?
can you explain me then why you use 2 charts ?
  • #6,723
  • Feb 24, 2012 4:04pm Feb 24, 2012 4:04pm
Quoting Mediator
yes, i'm from germany and i only have time to trade in the morning from 8-12. later i have to manage my children that they will develop nicly into a long healthy trend. hehe.
Hmmm.....I would suggest that right there is the problem. We have to trade when the market is performing, not when it is convenient for us. The convenient time for me is the Asian session an then forget about everything else.....but that won't generate many pips. I have to trade when the market wants me to trade......which is from 9pm until 7am the next day. I can't stay awake 24/7, so I have to use what I have available.....in this case 9pm until 1am.

If I trade during my convenient time, I will be in for a disappointing time.
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #6,724
  • Feb 24, 2012 4:21pm Feb 24, 2012 4:21pm
Quoting Alex84
YELENA
thanks for sharing your way of using symphonie
here is my question :
why do you use 2 charts per pair ?
why dont you use just one M5 chart as the signal indy 1.7 allows you to set the Higher tf in the display
you could display on the same M5 chart H1 and M5
No
am i wrong ?
can you explain me then why you use 2 charts ?
I don't think you can have the signaller, actually give you the signal of the higher timeframe, the matrix 1.7 gives you the option of looking at what the 1hr is doing but not the signaller.
  • #6,725
  • Feb 24, 2012 4:28pm Feb 24, 2012 4:28pm
Quoting Alex84
why do you use 2 charts per pair ?
Quoting tmoney5474
You say "M5 signals to the same direction of H1" Same direction using what? Trend? Spikes? Just want some clearity on how you use the 1 hours to filter


you answered each other out


signal - definition. valid alert given by Symphonie Signals V1_7

valid alert - definition. if the bar closes and Symphonie Signals V1_7 provides you with stoploss and TP prices, then the signal is valid. if no prices pops after you hit the "ok" button, then the signal is invalid.

H1 signals + M5 signals in the same direction (i.e. buy and buy)= yelena takes the signal

yelena filters her trades that way coz she's a newbie. she doesn't understand the logic of pivots, S and R, trendlines, shoulders, heads, wedges, flags... did i miss anything else

all she knows is that she wants 98% probability that her entrances and exits are profitable and converts to cash - nice motivation, eh?
  • #6,726
  • Feb 24, 2012 4:44pm Feb 24, 2012 4:44pm
thanks for your responses. but i need them again.

ill name the project "pareto" (minimum effort, maximum gain). and post weekly reports.

theory: take position when H1 and M5 signals to the same direction, EU only, no adding to losing trade, 1 trade at a time, no stoploss, TP 10.

i will take my signals from current MT4. so can anyone suggest a demo account provider that has the ff features:
1. does not expire
2. web based (no download needed, runs in java applet mode)
3. with ARS feature that i can default to say 0.50% (yes, half a percent) of the capital per entry
4. with TP feature set to 10 pips + spread per entry,meaning i dont have to manually add TP after i placed the position. coz im doing live trading at the same time.

thanks in advance. PM me instead so this place doesnt get cluttered
  • #6,727
  • Feb 24, 2012 4:47pm Feb 24, 2012 4:47pm
Quoting yelena
you answered each other out


signal - definition. valid alert given by Symphonie Signals V1_7

valid alert - definition. if the bar closes and Symphonie Signals V1_7 provides you with stoploss and TP prices, then the signal is valid. if no prices pops after you hit the "ok" button, then the signal is invalid.

H1 signals + M5 signals in the same direction (i.e. buy and buy)= yelena takes the signal

yelena filters her trades that way coz she's a newbie. she doesn't understand the logic of pivots, S and R,...
but would that be the same result if you were using in the 1.7 signaler the htf 1H instead of 15m when you're on the 5M chart ?
less probability ?
  • #6,728
  • Feb 24, 2012 7:59pm Feb 24, 2012 7:59pm
Quoting realjumper
I was going to write a PDF about this, but I haven't had time, and I think there are enough posts of mine here for you all to be able to figure this out.

Please demo this and read back on my posts before asking me questions. I don't mind questions, but I do mind answering the same question over and over because the poster is too lazy to look back on the posts to find the answer.

So attached in the zip file is all the indies and the template plus a quick screenshot to show you what you should expect to see.

RJ
RealJumper,
Are you still using the same set up and template of this system that you posted on #2072, or how has your interpretation of this system evolved? Thank you mate.
  • #6,729
  • Feb 24, 2012 11:46pm Feb 24, 2012 11:46pm
Quoting yelena
to olivia: im just begun with FXpro demo. too much "invalid price". 30days still.

to gj6n68 : ill try that. i don't need to download anything. the signals will be produced in my current MT4 anyway. i just need a demo to register the trades. hehehe

Hi yelena
I have been using MetaTrader 4 for months on demo so you could
give that a try, awsome trading by the way
  • #6,730
  • Edited 12:52am Feb 25, 2012 12:27am | Edited 12:52am
Quoting Alex84
but would that be the same result if you were using in the 1.7 signaler the htf 1H instead of 15m when you're on the 5M chart ?
less probability ?
You mentioned this in another post and nowhere in the signaller can I see to be able to change the HTF that you look at, it just says HTF does not give you a choice of which one. The only parameter that I can see where it can be changed is for the Heiken Ashi part of it.
  • #6,731
  • Feb 25, 2012 1:41am Feb 25, 2012 1:41am
Quoting ohammond
You mentioned this in another post and nowhere in the signaller can I see to be able to change the HTF that you look at, it just says HTF does not give you a choice of which one. The only parameter that I can see where it can be changed is for the Heiken Ashi part of it.
you're correct, i checked, sorry
we can't chose the tf of the htf indicators

so i understand why yelena uses 2 charts per pair

so YElena :
if you take a trade only if H1 and M5 gave the same signal, is like having 4 tf confirming the trade
Because you have htf indies on
H1 signal is confirmed by H4 tf
and M5 signal is confirmed by M15 tf

DO you often have this kind of confirmed signal per week ?
must be not very often ?
  • #6,732
  • Feb 25, 2012 1:45am Feb 25, 2012 1:45am
Quoting yelena
thanks for your responses. but i need them again.

ill name the project "pareto" (minimum effort, maximum gain). and post weekly reports.

theory: take position when H1 and M5 signals to the same direction, EU only, no adding to losing trade, 1 trade at a time, no stoploss, TP 10.

i will take my signals from current MT4. so can anyone suggest a demo account provider that has the ff features:
1. does not expire
2. web based (no download needed, runs in java applet mode)
3. with ARS feature that i can default to say 0.50% (yes, half a percent)...

I can not answer all the questions but I can at least respond to the first. TADAWULFX do not expire. I hope it can help
  • #6,733
  • Feb 25, 2012 1:51am Feb 25, 2012 1:51am
Quoting Alex84
you're correct, i checked, sorry
we can't chose the tf of the htf indicators

so i understand why yelena uses 2 charts per pair

so YElena :
if you take a trade only if H1 and M5 gave the same signal, is like having 4 tf confirming the trade
Because you have htf indies on
H1 signal is confirmed by H4 tf
and M5 signal is confirmed by M15 tf

DO you often have this kind of confirmed signal per week ?
must be not very often ?
H1 signals on its own, with only the emotion and sentiment of the H4 needing to point the same way, not a full signal. The heiken ashi she has set is only the 1hr, so if the H1 signals a buy then every buy signal on the 5min would be taken, there are quite a lot if you look through the signals.
  • #6,734
  • Feb 25, 2012 3:43am Feb 25, 2012 3:43am
Quoting ohammond
H1 signals on its own, with only the emotion and sentiment of the H4 needing to point the same way, not a full signal. The heiken ashi she has set is only the 1hr, so if the H1 signals a buy then every buy signal on the 5min would be taken, there are quite a lot if you look through the signals.
merci beaucoup, m. olivia, for truly understanding my trades. well. i guess you do coz you're my mentor for H1.

to monsieur Alex84:


mercredi: 4 valid M5 and H1 signals in EU = -138 loss (ranging market and none hit TP1. symphonie is a trend follower and TP1 can only be reached when a trend has formed)

then a 5th signal = +173 (overnight trade, i slept and just enabled the SL and TP1)

jeudi: i got 6 valid M5 and H1 signals in the same direction for EU,AU and AJ. yes few and i didn't take them all coz i had to step out. but more than 100 pips, oui?

vendredi:i got 4 valid M5 and H1 signals for EU, 2 for AU, 3 for AJ, if i have taken them all that was 296 pips for friday's 9 hours of tradin for EU and AU. did not even look at AJ coz it was above TP2 at the start of frankfurt.

i just want signals that will give me money. i dont want petty signals where the potential to give back pips is 50/50. i dont want to give back pips im selfish! is that a good enough motivation for not accepting pure M5 signals?
  • #6,735
  • Feb 25, 2012 4:05am Feb 25, 2012 4:05am
Hi there,!

Thanks for being such a good guide. I would really appreciate if you could post a chart of what you just talked about! Thank you!
  • #6,736
  • Edited 6:13am Feb 25, 2012 4:13am | Edited 6:13am
Dear evaluator,
I am trying to boost symphonie with some not repainting but fast indicator to confirm entrys. Maybe I have something here so please check my picture.
when matrix give us signal we look to doble cci woodie for confirmation. Bleue/red histo cci is for trend and we never take entry signal contra trend. also note that trend has changed only when indicator cross 0 line and go to 54 -54 level.
White line is fast cci and when we have signal from matrix we need cross or retrace from 0 line of cci 5, then we enter.
excellent exit (or maybe half position close and set to be is when cci14 fall back under 100 level)
In picture blue vertical line (entry) red vert.line(exit) yellow vert.line matrix signal not taken (filtered)
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File Type: mq4 DoubleCCIWoody-MTF-m5-Yan-Mod-S-28.mq4   12 KB | 659 downloads
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  • #6,737
  • Edited 5:25am Feb 25, 2012 4:57am | Edited 5:25am
This looks interesting, Tehnobyte!

Could you post the indicators here, especially that ZZI one because I cannot find it, so we can test it?

Thank you!
  • #6,738
  • Feb 25, 2012 6:16am Feb 25, 2012 6:16am
Quoting dakuki
This looks interesting, Tehnobyte!

Could you post the indicators here, especially that ZZI one because I cannot find it, so we can test it?

Thank you!
I have included now indicators in previous post
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  • #6,739
  • Feb 25, 2012 9:37am Feb 25, 2012 9:37am
Hi ohmmond
could you please let us know what is your breakeven in 1hr?
  • #6,740
  • Edited 2:05pm Feb 25, 2012 11:07am | Edited 2:05pm
Quoting ohammond
I don't think you can have the signaller, actually give you the signal of the higher timeframe, the matrix 1.7 gives you the option of looking at what the 1hr is doing but not the signaller.
I'm currently working on the signaler 1.9.
New features :
- Higher timeframe signal (configurable) ->Yelena style
- Daily Bias (Daily bias is UP when the 00:00 open is higher than the daily pivot, and DOWN if lower)
- MA200 in H4 (for bigger trend) - Timeframe is configurable
- RealJumper MA (scalping) (EMA,5,Shift2,Typical price)
- Stochs direction (11,3,3)
- ADX (Average Directional Index - main line only!). Used to determine strength of a trend.

Bias,MA's,Stochs,ADX are just for confirmation. The idea is to give a next trade "quality level". If all are going the same way, the winning probability will be high. Of course, we can't predict the future. A news, a speech or something like that can always happens and totally revert your trade. If you use your SL (fibos, atr, PA, whatever ...) you will lower your risk.
As always, take only quality trades. Don't trade because it's fun, don't trade to gamble, don't trade outside the hours, ...

I'm also looking to choose which indicators to use (Original symphonie or Comer recoded indicators).
As I will code this tomorrow to have it working on monday, would be nice if you shoot some things to add in the new version.

PS : I scrapped v1.8 as it was too buggy to fix and started from working version 1.7
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