DislikedLongfellow,
Can you tell me what settings you have for the FX5 Divergence? What TF do you trade and should the set up change depending on the TF? Thank you very much for the indi.Ignored
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- #4,403
- Jan 17, 2012 10:37am Jan 17, 2012 10:37am
abtrader,
What you are describing is the ''holy Grail'' of indikators that picks the tops and bottoms of price action movements perfectly. Let me know when you find it because I will ditch Symphonie and go with that one.
THAT DOES NOT EXISTS and never will! If you don't like the original Symphonie Extreme Indikator there is a version 2 that when it repaints it leave a dot marking the point of repaint. I will attach to this post.
I think you are missing the point of my post and that is DO NOT be all comsumed by the Extreme Spike Indikator....
I'm not saying anything about the indicator needing to be correct. I'm just saying that you can't see incorrect signals afterwards! Because they are removed. And I'm saying that I dont see a damn point in removing INCORRECT signals. Why not be able to see where it guessed wronga s well?
And yes that v2 sounds like what I'm talking about. To NOT remove history.
Like I said before with the calculations behind the signal. A signal gets thrown out when something = X, or more than X or whatever. Say high is higher than average, ok? Now what this indicator does, is remove that fact later if price did not perform to the expected result. Yet, price was higher than x at that bar. Bar is closed and is set in stone. If you were to calculate that indicator onto that bar again, you would get a signal. Yet it is removed simply because price didnt perform to some expected result. That is my definition of repainting and it screws everything up. For example it would make it harder to see when the indicator fails and you can't research a damn why this signal failed. Because it doesnt show that it failed.
Ok now I think we get each other. And yes v2 is exactly what I'm talking about how it should be. Though I haven't checked it out. Now what else does repainting mean other than removing old signals? Or in other words changing old signals after that bar has been closed. That is what repainting means.
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- Edited 11:07am Jan 17, 2012 10:43am | Edited 11:07am
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- #4,407
- Jan 17, 2012 11:23am Jan 17, 2012 11:23am
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Absolutely perfect. I just checked out version 2 and it does exactly what I was talking about. To not repaint. So cheers for that!
Honestly I don't know how you misread me and thought I was talking about the quality of the signals. While I was only talking about not having signals repaint after a new bar has formed. But now we are on the same page. And also I do know a very high accuracy system trader, and I can tell you that synergi is a very important thing. So yes I agree with having many indicators pointing the same direction! Albeit his are...
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- #4,409
- Jan 17, 2012 11:49am Jan 17, 2012 11:49am
Just wanted to point out a thing I noticed with v2 of that extreme indicator. I had gotten 9 blue dots, 7 in a row and then 2 others afterwards after 1 bar with no dot. But when I restarted the mt4 client those 9 dots turned to 3. I can show you a screen shot.
Just wanted to point that out. I have no clue why and I guess that is why I'm sticking to excel where I understand things better
edit: It probably has something to do with that when you start the mt4 client freshly. The dots already there all have bars going the opposite direction after a dot has formed. Without exception. Basically a 100% accurate signal for 1 bar after a dot has formed. So something is not coded correctly yet
Just wanted to point that out. I have no clue why and I guess that is why I'm sticking to excel where I understand things better
edit: It probably has something to do with that when you start the mt4 client freshly. The dots already there all have bars going the opposite direction after a dot has formed. Without exception. Basically a 100% accurate signal for 1 bar after a dot has formed. So something is not coded correctly yet
- #4,410
- Edited 12:21pm Jan 17, 2012 12:00pm | Edited 12:21pm
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Just wanted to point out a thing I noticed with v2 of that extreme indicator. I had gotten 9 blue dots, 7 in a row and then 2 others afterwards after 1 bar with no dot. But when I restarted the mt4 client those 9 dots turned to 3. I can show you a screen shot.
Just wanted to point that out. I have no clue why and I guess that is why I'm sticking to excel where I understand things better
edit: It probably has something to do with that when you start the mt4 client freshly. The dots already there all have bars going the opposite direction after...
This may help to correct the problem. It is called refreshing the charts. Here is a program to do it automatically and keep your chart fresh and up to date.
I think you will find most of your questions have already been topics of discussion and potential solutions have already been discusses throughtly. I highly suggest your read back through the thread because I am sure they have been discusses at length. I can see by your number of posts that you are relatively new and since your posts are over things already discussed again please READ THE THREAD first before posting the same question that has been asked many times and answered.
I do not mean to sound harsh but it gets quite repetitive to keep answering the same questions over and over after they have been answered so many times and all one has to do is read the thread. That is why I seem impatient with your questions.
Thank you.
Evaluator.
P.S. Also keep a special watch on post#1 as I stated in the very first line that this is a dynamic document that is prone to changes and updates as there are many sections of quick reference to this very long thread.
- #4,412
- Jan 17, 2012 12:48pm Jan 17, 2012 12:48pm
Is there a way to also include an autorefresh for 1.8? I notice if I get a signal and refresh manually, the signal dissapears. I guess because the extreme cycle top?
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- #4,414
- Jan 17, 2012 1:15pm Jan 17, 2012 1:15pm
This may help to correct the problem. It is called refreshing the charts. Here is a program to do it automatically and keep your chart fresh and up to date.
Except of course if even the dots, which are supposed to represent repaints. Do repaint themselves. So at the opening a dot appears, at the close it disappears. Another bar opens... and closes. THEN at the third bar, that past dot appears again.
None of this shit works like its logically supposed to do. Your code is very unprofessional and unlogical. Mt4 is absolute shit. Its all a disaster. No wonder you aren't billionaires.
My wonder warning should have been that none of you talk about the math behind the indicators. You just add random indicators and observe, that then repaints itself in so many unlogical random ways I can not begin to understand this/these indicators. You then observe it in the only way possible, forward testing it. For a few minutes for maximum accuracy
Staring at the screen trying to remember where a signal appeared because it will disappear later. Signals blinking in and blinking out, with only 2 (very accurate...not) values: on or off.. or UP or Down. You then change 1 (whole) setting, but a hardcore setting of course (not). Like the number of bars you use in your averages. And try again. Then of course you trade some/repeat some of the above. This is like religion. I'm out.
- #4,417
- Jan 17, 2012 2:05pm Jan 17, 2012 2:05pm
But refreshing the chart keeps the amount of dots very low. So thats the normal state ok. Then I contragulate you on your 100% success signal, (not that 100% is very extreme) just that using such simple calculations to achieve it is staggering
Except of course if even the dots, which are supposed to represent repaints. Do repaint themselves. So at the opening a dot appears, at the close it disappears. Another bar opens... and closes. THEN at the third bar, that past dot appears again.
None of this shit works like its logically supposed...
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- #4,418
- Jan 17, 2012 2:31pm Jan 17, 2012 2:31pm
Yes, definitely ! That's on that part I'm breaking my head right now
