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  • #573,061
  • Dec 11, 2011 3:11pm Dec 11, 2011 3:11pm
Quoting Tom_D_Trader
Yea, but I think, and will be ashamed if it happens, that our parliament will approve it. Now I trust only to our president that he wont sign.

T

There are some good things in what the Germans are tying to do, just the way they go about it is all wrong.

Debt to GDP was covered and mandated by Maastricht and everybody, including Germany has been ignoring that. To now only come up with reinforced rules that are already covered by treaty without added cash and measures to overcome the current problem is wonderful as a long term strategy, but it is not doing anything for the problem they are in now.

Limiting spending now, will take any chance of growth away, yes they need austerity and curb unnecessary spending, as the UK is doing, but they need to overcome that debt overhang first and that is not being addressed right now. It is easy for Germany not to worry about the overhang, they can afford it, the periphery can't and not solving that will only mean a lost generation so that Germany can curb inflation.
  • #573,062
  • Dec 11, 2011 3:12pm Dec 11, 2011 3:12pm
Quoting cloggie
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I will only trade this week if the fundies line up with the techs, as I have done in the last few weeks. There is no need to fight the markets, keep an eye on the wires and the charts and once they agree jump in for a nice ride, if they don't, just watch the soap opera here.
I wasnt trading for almost three weeks now. I was just collecting profits during downfall which finished at 25.11. Unfortunately, I wasnt able to reload @ ,353. That was a mistake. But I thought price will go higher or at least retest level once more. Well, happens. I still hold some shorts from far far above and am enjoying submarine dive. And still am BSing at this thread .

T
"I know one thing, that I know nothing." Sokrates
  • #573,063
  • Dec 11, 2011 3:15pm Dec 11, 2011 3:15pm
Quoting Tom_D_Trader
Yea, but I think, and will be ashamed if it happens, that our parliament will approve it. Now I trust only to our president that he wont sign.

T
Do you really think it's an act of will ?
They;re all paying in the mud, no way to get out clean.
Of course you'll see local debate in every country, because people will not see it very well, like you said, but there's really no choice for the peripheral countries.
  • #573,064
  • Dec 11, 2011 3:17pm Dec 11, 2011 3:17pm
It is time for the Gap thing to begin! Who's up?
Price = the amount a greater fool is willing to pay!
  • #573,065
  • Dec 11, 2011 3:18pm Dec 11, 2011 3:18pm
Quoting cloggie
Yeah it is a mess, if they don't want to do anything when they are all AAA, it is going to be impossible once they are downgraded. Even the bailouts agreed now in the EFSF are disgusting really, Germany is making a profit on helping out the periphery, that scenario is not going to work once they lose their AAA.

So the solution for the Germans was to penalise the City, there are 3 million working there and it controls 80% of the EU transactions, what did they think Cameron was going to do? The real funny bit is that the largetst employer in the...
With 27 countries today and possibly more in the future, with nearly the same number of languages and cultures, it was always going to be messy. Will it fail? I don't know the answer to that question, but with the ship sailing its current course, it is heading for that iceberg in spectacular fashion.

What I do see is many years of austerity, low growth if not negative and high unemployment that could lead to serious consequences.
  • #573,066
  • Dec 11, 2011 3:18pm Dec 11, 2011 3:18pm
Quoting cloggie
There are some good things in what the Germans are tying to do, just the way they go about it is all wrong....
I agree. As usuall. You hardly ever write something I dont agree with. Regarding Maastricht, you are right ofc. Almost all of the nations got exception from the limits. Wtf Maastrich states debt/GDP must be lower than 60% and all of PIIGS have something around 100%. What a surprise it is unstable.

T
"I know one thing, that I know nothing." Sokrates
  • #573,067
  • Dec 11, 2011 3:18pm Dec 11, 2011 3:18pm
Quoting bbakker
What I do see is many years of austerity, low growth if not negative and high unemployment that could lead to serious consequences.

Wars have started for less then that.
  • #573,068
  • Edited 4:18pm Dec 11, 2011 3:19pm | Edited 4:18pm
Quoting Chanya
I can Understand What you are trying to Say here BUT What I don't understand is WHATS IT TO YOU HOW IS ANY BODY ELSE'S TRADING SKILL IS ??? Instead of trying to Bully that guy , You should try to teach him what you want him taught !!! That way It would be Better for Him too !!!






Now I know what You ment BRO !!! RESPECT
!!!!
Chanya

I am glad that you saw the meaning behind it.

mla
"The Heart is the hub of all dances; go there and chill out"
  • #573,069
  • Dec 11, 2011 3:21pm Dec 11, 2011 3:21pm
Quoting Pip-hunter
It is time for the Gap thing to begin! Who's up?

They all got a margin call on that last gap that never closed, no worries another whole busload of idiots will be here in January gambling away their pocket money they got for Christmas.
  • #573,070
  • Dec 11, 2011 3:21pm Dec 11, 2011 3:21pm
Quoting JeremyWS
Hey I know that most of you have probably read this but I found this so funny And just wanted to share it:

SOCIALISM
You have 2 cows.
You give one to your neighbour.
COMMUNISM
You have 2 cows.
The State takes both and gives you some milk.
FASCISM
You have 2 cows.
The State takes both and sells you some milk.
NAZISM
You have 2 cows.
The State takes both and shoots you.
BUREAUCRATISM
You have 2 cows.
The State takes both, shoots one, milks the other, and then throws the milk away…
TRADITIONAL CAPITALISM
You have two cows.
You sell...
Nice one

mla
"The Heart is the hub of all dances; go there and chill out"
  • #573,071
  • Dec 11, 2011 3:24pm Dec 11, 2011 3:24pm
Quoting prezd
...but there's really no choice for the peripheral countries.
You see, I am very proud and very patriotic guy. And I am not alone. There is always a choice.

T
"I know one thing, that I know nothing." Sokrates
  • #573,072
  • Dec 11, 2011 3:27pm Dec 11, 2011 3:27pm
I guess question is qe or no qe. Without it bond bandits will be out in full force like with uk and us. Perfect setup would be a low vol rise on a higher than normal spanish bond yeild auction.
  • #573,073
  • Dec 11, 2011 3:34pm Dec 11, 2011 3:34pm
Quoting sidhujag
I guess question is qe or no qe...
Stealth QE already takes place. FED prints, borrows to ECB, ECB starts SMP operations, but doesnt sterilize. What´s the difference? They already didnt sterilize more than 200 Bn.

Btw, UK and US bond yields are very very low, around 2%
http://workforall.net/CDS-Credit-default-Swaps.html

T
"I know one thing, that I know nothing." Sokrates
  • #573,074
  • Dec 11, 2011 3:35pm Dec 11, 2011 3:35pm
Quoting Chanya
I can Understand What you are trying to Say here BUT What I don't understand is WHATS IT TO YOU HOW IS ANY BODY ELSE'S TRADING SKILL IS ??? Instead of trying to Bully that guy , You should try to teach him what you want him taught !!! That way It would be Better for Him too !!!

Now I know what You ment BRO !!! RESPECT !!!!
Firstly, why should anyone have to teach others?

Secondly, if you read Cloggie's post again, it has one of the most basic lessons of trading in it... LEVERAGE.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink the water.

Some people will never learn, because ultimately they are gamblers and they choose to ignore risk. Doesn't matter how much you teach them, they will fail. So why teach these people when they cannot be honest with themselves.
  • #573,075
  • Dec 11, 2011 3:38pm Dec 11, 2011 3:38pm
Smaler TF still not clean and the biger picture on daily some place for biger advance on north.This is just tehnical no discusing about latest EU deal or US FOMC desission.So far maybe i try to reach uper bolinger and close half if survive theare.Hope for some gap as direction.
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  • #573,076
  • Dec 11, 2011 3:39pm Dec 11, 2011 3:39pm
Quoting wvanja
for some gap as direction.




And the first one with a crap broker has shown up, they never learn do they.

And now some wonder why the feck I won't "teach" here?????? This is a trading thread with a handful of traders and a few hundred muppet gamblers thrown in for entertainment and good measure.
  • #573,077
  • Dec 11, 2011 3:40pm Dec 11, 2011 3:40pm
Quoting cloggie
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  • #573,078
  • Dec 11, 2011 3:41pm Dec 11, 2011 3:41pm
Quoting bbakker
Firstly, why should anyone have to teach others?...
Damn, someone who is on ignore is part of the debate again. Sometimes I think that I am loosing lots of fun by clicking ignore so fast.

Hmmm, well, maybe I dont miss that much.

T
"I know one thing, that I know nothing." Sokrates
  • #573,079
  • Dec 11, 2011 3:41pm Dec 11, 2011 3:41pm
cloggie thanks.That is why i dont post heare.

big master of forex.

see ya all
  • #573,080
  • Dec 11, 2011 3:42pm Dec 11, 2011 3:42pm
Quoting wvanja
cloggie thanks.That is why i dont post heare.

big master of forex.

see ya all

Make sure your stupidity doesn't beat you to the door, you wouldn't want it leaving without you now would you.

I have posted pip for pip where price has been in the last few hours so muppets like you wouldn't start about something that only exists in your imagination.

Am really sad to hear that the gap from a few weeks ago didn't blow up your account, ah sh!t, it's only a demo and restarted again at the click of a button.
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