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  • #569,421
  • Dec 2, 2011 12:33pm Dec 2, 2011 12:33pm
Quoting Good Fortune
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share some with me bro
RM
  • #569,422
  • Dec 2, 2011 12:34pm Dec 2, 2011 12:34pm
Quoting KillerWhale
Bias for next week:

Long EU.
Love the bias, until I get out of my longs. lol
Yay! Pips for everyone!
  • #569,423
  • Dec 2, 2011 12:35pm Dec 2, 2011 12:35pm
Quoting fxrising
I have never known a retailer hedger to be profitable, does this really work for you, the big question is if one were good enough to see the trend then why not just follow the trend?
Guys, I never said I use it exclusively cmon! I said SOMETIMES it's a good idea when I'm not sure.

If you don't believe me go look at VennD's posts and how many pips he's making per week. I'm not going to pump his tires but to prove a point go ahead.

Yes fxrising you're right, cloggie may be able to see the trend so he wouldn't ever have to use the idea lol

The whole idea is that you don't know which way the trend will prevail at S/R so once it does you can un-hedge and keep the "right" trades open which will statistically overcome the spread/commission you take to place the hedge's. Maybe follow HH/LL till it breaks and get out.
  • #569,424
  • Dec 2, 2011 12:35pm Dec 2, 2011 12:35pm
Quoting sidhujag
Also your profitable position which gets hedged, when un-hedged will have a higher chance of surviving once the trend is intact.

It's all about what makes you comfortable. If you can foresee the trend before it happens great, do what works for you

Also I didn't say I am using it, I usually switch positions on my signals, but I'm saying it has some merit, don't discount something if you don't know about it. You didn't even think twice, you heard the term hedge and said meh, well that's what makes people lose their edge over time as new minds...
Sardar Jee, One needs to catch atleast three big trends to be consistently profitable by hedging. However, if one is lucky can get lifetime earning by trading just the first trend.
The Thief of Wall Street
  • #569,425
  • Dec 2, 2011 12:35pm Dec 2, 2011 12:35pm
Quoting muhdhafiz
share some with me bro
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_8_5.gif
Do your time and enjoy the ride...
  • #569,426
  • Dec 2, 2011 12:37pm Dec 2, 2011 12:37pm
Quoting Good Fortune
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/5/5_8_5.gif
Thx
RM
  • #569,427
  • Dec 2, 2011 12:39pm Dec 2, 2011 12:39pm
Quoting cloggie
Hedging hides your inabilities, you are lying to yourself by doing it. Learn to trade instead, simples.

Be honest with yourself. Never put yourself in the predicament that you feel the need to "hedge" to cancel out your own fuck up, just close the d@mn trade and think to yourself how you can avoid even taking that trade in the future.
that's it - the same as averaging losers , martingaling and probably plenty of others - the refusal to accept risk , the inability to deal with fear of loss
  • #569,428
  • Dec 2, 2011 12:39pm Dec 2, 2011 12:39pm
Quoting Good Fortune
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  • #569,429
  • Dec 2, 2011 12:39pm Dec 2, 2011 12:39pm
Quoting Chicky
Sardar Jee, One needs to catch atleast three big trends to be consistently profitable by hedging. However, if one is lucky can get lifetime earning by trading just the first trend.

Kiddha bhaji!

How do you figure? Are you being sarcastic or do you have some math behind that.
  • #569,430
  • Dec 2, 2011 12:40pm Dec 2, 2011 12:40pm
Quoting cloggie
You can justify what you like here, stop justifying it to yourself, stop lying to yourself and making up for your inability to trade by some silly retail solution.

Be a man, be honest and address your shortcomings.

No need to hone up here, I could not care less, at least hone up to yourself.


No need to comment further on the subject here publicly, just think seriously about what you are doing over the weekend.


Don't lie, especially to yourself.
Just curious. Cloggie, do you work for the Department of Homeland Security?
The Thief of Wall Street
  • #569,431
  • Dec 2, 2011 12:41pm Dec 2, 2011 12:41pm
Truth passes through three phases:

 

  1. First it is ridiculed. (cloggie)
  2. Second it is fiercely and violently opposed. (cloggie)
  3. Third, it becomes self-evident. (cloggie?)

— Arthur Schopenhauer

  • #569,432
  • Dec 2, 2011 12:41pm Dec 2, 2011 12:41pm
Quoting 21vs7
I hate when I get a BE with a nice entry and my Acc still sits there dumb about it. I decided to pump up the account accordingly. On a normal day I would cover it on figure.
Now trying this baby here.
Covered now.

Have a nice weekend,
21vs7
  • #569,433
  • Dec 2, 2011 12:42pm Dec 2, 2011 12:42pm
Quoting sidhujag
Guys, I never said I use it exclusively cmon! I said SOMETIMES it's a good idea when I'm not sure.
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Just consider what they are saying. Two good traders and posters there.
Do your time and enjoy the ride...
  • #569,434
  • Dec 2, 2011 12:44pm Dec 2, 2011 12:44pm
Quoting Good Fortune
Just consider what they are saying. Two good traders and posters there.
Yes I agree that their credability has weight, but there should be reasoning behind opposing an idea other than "think about what you are doing" and "be honest with yourself"... Vague answers like that deserve the response I gave I thought... just wanted a logical explanation from someone more experienced maybe.
  • #569,435
  • Dec 2, 2011 12:44pm Dec 2, 2011 12:44pm
Quoting chazzle
that's it - the same as averaging losers , martingaling and probably plenty of others - the refusal to accept risk , the inability to deal with fear of loss
Trading is simple, it just isn't easy. The biggest thing in a new trader's way the biggest obstacle to success is the trader himself, and it is really hard to tell yourself to go take a hike and not come back for a year while you figure this mallarkey out.

I see dozens of them lying to themselves here on a daily basis.
  • #569,436
  • Dec 2, 2011 12:44pm Dec 2, 2011 12:44pm
Quoting sidhujag
Kiddha bhaji!

How do you figure? Are you being sarcastic or do you have some math behind that.
A system provided to me on this thread by X-oden in exchange for a promise that it will never be made public. I am just giving you a hint. Have to honor my commitment.
The Thief of Wall Street
  • #569,437
  • Dec 2, 2011 12:45pm Dec 2, 2011 12:45pm
Quoting jayjb
I don't hedge, to me it's like revenge trading, I don't add to a losing position neither

Let's say I'm long from 1.3333 and it goes to 1.3444 and PA starts to behave indecisively and ADX tells me trend is not holding anymore, I exit
I like ur style, seems like u know how to catch a falling knife. I want to see fall through, possibly copper holding up the price!
  • #569,438
  • Dec 2, 2011 12:45pm Dec 2, 2011 12:45pm
Quoting sidhujag
that's what makes people lose their edge over time as new minds come and overthrow the worthless ones unaccepting of knowledge and ideas
number 1 ( same goes for fx )

http://www.scribd.com/doc/39145876/L...-Trading-Rules
  • #569,439
  • Dec 2, 2011 12:46pm Dec 2, 2011 12:46pm
Quoting sidhujag
Yes I agree that their credability has weight, but there should be reasoning behind opposing an idea other than "think about what you are doing" and "be honest with yourself"... Vague answers like that deserve the response I gave I thought... just wanted a logical explanation from someone more experienced maybe.

Not telling you what to do. Just take a moment sometime when you feel like it and just consider what they are saying - that is all...
Do your time and enjoy the ride...
  • #569,440
  • Dec 2, 2011 12:47pm Dec 2, 2011 12:47pm
Quoting Chicky
A system provided to me on this thread by X-oden in exchange for a promise that it will never be made public. I am just giving you a hint. Have to honor my commitment.
I see, cheers.

I will keep it in mind thanks.
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