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  • #421
  • Jul 26, 2011 12:15am Jul 26, 2011 12:15am
Quoting donfriday
yeah you have alot, if u read the 2nd edition u will understand why we dont trade in alligator mouth...I've been using this system and making enough profit on hourly chart, there is no system that do not lose but what matter is overall profit in ur trading ..
study and i look forward to see ur improvement when u post ur own chart and anlysis.
Cheers..Don
I noticed this message and thought to add a comment.

Trading in a closed (non-open mouth alligator) applies mostly where there is no volume ergo no chaos in the market. Once you get Frankfurt to open around 1 AM CST there may be some opportunity starting to show. The London open around 3 AM CST will definitely show some movement in the lower times frames 5M, 15M, 30M, and 1H.

Relating to the W1, a bullish or bearish divergent candle is invalid if the candle is touching the alligator.

The W2 may be entered once the candle completes though has issues being a late entry when there is little volume in the market. The low volume happens mainly on Sundays and sometimes Thursday going into Friday.
  • #422
  • Aug 6, 2011 10:06pm Aug 6, 2011 10:06pm
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...82#post4845782
  • #423
  • Sep 14, 2011 2:00am Sep 14, 2011 2:00am
Quoting donfriday
But not sure why u think i have to be careful sharing the book? this is the book i read and very helpful..chaos system is very good for money management and to spot entry exit points. MFI can be useful and may not but i dont have a problem with it because i am involve in VSA trading strategy also with price action ...i discover i should add this to the public if someone is out there to learn it since i found ir profitable so far..
thanks for offering the book and the advice....see u soon
Sharing free copies of the book is a violation of the authors intellectual property rights.

Its only $60. Spend the money then spend the $$$ to take the course directly from them because 1) there is information not contained in the book, 2) some of the information has been updated since its printing, and 3) you'll be a better trader.
  • #424
  • Sep 15, 2011 3:09am Sep 15, 2011 3:09am
Quoting TheForexNerd
I noticed this message and thought to add a comment.

Trading in a closed (non-open mouth alligator) applies mostly where there is no volume ergo no chaos in the market. Once you get Frankfurt to open around 1 AM CST there may be some opportunity starting to show. The London open around 3 AM CST will definitely show some movement in the lower times frames 5M, 15M, 30M, and 1H.

Relating to the W1, a bullish or bearish divergent candle is invalid if the candle is touching the alligator.

The W2 may be entered once the candle completes...
The BDB/bdb high/low must be the 3rd consecutive not touching alligator.

Buy the books, read them over and over.

New DVD they have for counting waves is very good. Watch it over and over.
  • #425
  • Sep 15, 2011 4:56am Sep 15, 2011 4:56am
Quoting Unchained
The BDB/bdb high/low must be the 3rd consecutive not touching alligator.

Buy the books, read them over and over.

New DVD they have for counting waves is very good. Watch it over and over.
At the risk of sounding impertinent, a divergent bar is not found via the third consecutive bar. It is the Super Awesome Oscillator after the third consecutive bar that is a valid add-on signal after the third consecutive bar is completed and a proper initiating signal such as a divergent bar with angulation or a breakout fractal is formed.

You are correct in the sense that a divergent bar is not valid if any part of it is touching the alligator, however a bullish divergent bar, for example, is found if the bar has a lower low from the previous bar and closes in the top 50% of the bar with angulation.

This information is covered in all three books and the Profitunity course.
  • #426
  • Sep 15, 2011 5:05am Sep 15, 2011 5:05am
Quoting TheForexNerd
At the risk of sounding impertinent, a divergent bar is not found via the third consecutive bar. It is the Super Awesome Oscillator after the third consecutive bar that is a valid add-on signal ..

I can only confirm this!
  • #427
  • Sep 16, 2011 7:10am Sep 16, 2011 7:10am
Quoting TheForexNerd
At the risk of sounding impertinent, a divergent bar is not found via the third consecutive bar. It is the Super Awesome Oscillator after the third consecutive bar that is a valid add-on signal after the third consecutive bar is completed and a proper initiating signal such as a divergent bar with angulation or a breakout fractal is formed.

You are correct in the sense that a divergent bar is not valid if any part of it is touching the alligator, however a bullish divergent bar, for example, is found if the bar has a lower low from the previous...
No, this information isn't covered in all three books.

You need to read more carefully before telling me I'm wrong. I didn't say a divergent bar had anything to do with WM2 or AO. What I said was one of the requirements for a divergent bar is that it's high/low is the 3rd consecutive high/low outside the alligator.

"The BDB/bdb high/low must be the 3rd consecutive not touching alligator."
  • #428
  • Sep 16, 2011 11:01am Sep 16, 2011 11:01am
Quoting Unchained
No, this information isn't covered in all three books.

You need to read more carefully before telling me I'm wrong. I didn't say a divergent bar had anything to do with WM2 or AO. What I said was one of the requirements for a divergent bar is that it's high/low is the 3rd consecutive high/low outside the alligator.

"The BDB/bdb high/low must be the 3rd consecutive not touching alligator."
I see.

I did reread your comment, but it still does not change the issue that your definition of BDB either bullish or bearish is wrong.
  • #429
  • Sep 16, 2011 12:56pm Sep 16, 2011 12:56pm
Quoting TheForexNerd
I see.

I did reread your comment, but it still does not change the issue that your definition of BDB either bullish or bearish is wrong.
On this page
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...80#post4107580
you will find at post 910 an attachment (Chaos 2008 pdf).

Starting at page 26 of that pdf is an excellent explanation of BDB, Super AO .....

Regards

Forex37
  • #430
  • Sep 16, 2011 1:06pm Sep 16, 2011 1:06pm
Quoting Forex37
On this page
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...80#post4107580
you will find at post 910 an attachment (Chaos 2008 pdf).

Starting at page 26 of that pdf is an excellent explanation of BDB, Super AO .....

Regards

Forex37
It looks like someone took the course and posted the information into this .pdf.
  • #431
  • Sep 17, 2011 8:42am Sep 17, 2011 8:42am
Quoting TheForexNerd
I see.

I did reread your comment, but it still does not change the issue that your definition of BDB either bullish or bearish is wrong.

Once again, you are wrong, as I did not attempt to define a divergent bar. I was simply adding one requirement that is often times omitted.

A definition would have included the other components of a divergent bar.
  • #432
  • Sep 19, 2011 4:39pm Sep 19, 2011 4:39pm
Quoting Unchained
Once again, you are wrong, as I did not attempt to define a divergent bar. I was simply adding one requirement that is often times omitted.

A definition would have included the other components of a divergent bar.
I see. I did reread your comment a couple times and still maintain your definition..."The BDB/bdb high/low must be the 3rd consecutive not touching alligator."...is not true. Whereas I believed you were describing the SAO. The BDB high/low does not have to be the third consecutive not touching the alligator.

In fact, I just talked with Justine about your statement and confirmed your comment is more of a blending of rules than the actual true signals.

Therefore, would you care to cite your reference either in the current Trading Chaos: Second Edition, Home Study Course, or Private Tutorial? I have my documents ready to look it up.

Cheers.
  • #433
  • Sep 19, 2011 10:15pm Sep 19, 2011 10:15pm
I find it best for me personally using bdb at support/resistance or at swing level, when it touches the alligator...
  • #434
  • Sep 20, 2011 7:28am Sep 20, 2011 7:28am
Quoting TheForexNerd
I see. I did reread your comment a couple times and still maintain your definition..."The BDB/bdb high/low must be the 3rd consecutive not touching alligator."...is not true. Whereas I believed you were describing the SAO. The BDB high/low does not have to be the third consecutive not touching the alligator.

In fact, I just talked with Justine about your statement and confirmed your comment is more of a blending of rules than the actual true signals.

Therefore, would you care to cite your reference either in the current Trading Chaos:...
You may maintain what you will, that wasn't a definition - merely a component. I was not, for the 37th time, describing the SAO.

I find it confusing that Justine would have said such, as a lecture she gave is where I learned this component of a divergent bar. "Pulling Profit from Chaos" Proven Indicators for Spotting Winning Trades.

I wish I knew how to upload a clip...
  • #435
  • Edited 6:18pm Sep 27, 2011 9:53am | Edited 6:18pm
Quoting Unchained
The BDB/bdb high/low must be the 3rd consecutive not touching alligator.

Buy the books, read them over and over.

New DVD they have for counting waves is very good. Watch it over and over.
Hello Unchained,

Would you tell me how good the new DVD for counting waves is? Does it delve into the subject more than what covered in TC 1st edition published in 1995?
  • #436
  • Oct 3, 2011 9:51pm Oct 3, 2011 9:51pm
Quoting TheForexNerd
Sharing free copies of the book is a violation of the authors intellectual property rights.

Its only $60. Spend the money then spend the $$$ to take the course directly from them because 1) there is information not contained in the book, 2) some of the information has been updated since its printing, and 3) you'll be a better trader.


You have the money to spend on it so go buy it, i will not spend money on this book if i can find it online..Who care about the violation of the authors afterall he can never find me or sue me....
MY OPINION NOT FINANCIAL ADVISE
  • #437
  • Oct 4, 2011 9:10am Oct 4, 2011 9:10am
donfriday,

You don't need to worry about potential infringemnt of their copyright because Profitunity guys must intentionally leave it as a marketing method for free, although I do wish to attend their private tutorial just to say thank them if it's held somewhere in Asia, since I feel indebted to their trading methodology.

Cheers!
  • #438
  • Oct 4, 2011 3:25pm Oct 4, 2011 3:25pm
Quoting cacique
donfriday,

You don't need to worry about potential infringemnt of their copyright because Profitunity guys must intentionally leave it as a marketing method for free, although I do wish to attend their private tutorial just to say thank them if it's held somewhere in Asia, since I feel indebted to their trading methodology.

Cheers!


i understand, i almost attend there seminar in us this year but due to the fact that i dont own a membership from them yet it will cost me almost 5k and looking at the whole trip i will spend 10k or so......they host seminar every year 2-3 times i think the next one will be in 2012 ...
MY OPINION NOT FINANCIAL ADVISE
  • #439
  • Oct 21, 2012 11:21am Oct 21, 2012 11:21am
it is a couple years since your last post.... do you still trade using Bill Williams Chaos?
  • #440
  • Nov 1, 2014 4:39pm Nov 1, 2014 4:39pm
how do you contact them
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