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  • First Post: Edited Aug 18, 2013 4:40pm Jun 14, 2009 1:26pm | Edited Aug 18, 2013 4:40pm
  •  donfriday
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Well i have nothing much to say here, i just feel it's time for me to start a new thread to share and learn from other BW CHAOS system.. i this is a system that can protect ur trade with good money management from a profitable trading system setup by Bill Williams PHD, the man of words..
If you have any question to ask feel free to post and ask i will be glad to help ........i am giving the book out if u want... wish u good luck in your trading.....
FRACTAL
highs and is followed by two lower highs.

The opposite configuration would be a sell fractal. Both fractals (Buy and Sell) may share bar.

Fractals generate the following signals:

* if a buy fractal is above the Alligator's Teeth (the red line) we would place a Buy Stop one tick above the

high of the up fractal;
* if a sell fractal is below the Alligator's Teeth we would place a Sell Stop one tick below the low of the

fractal sell signal.
* We would not take a buy if a fractal is formed below the Alligator's teeth.
* We would not take a sell if a fractal is formed above the Alligator's teeth.

Fractals are valid until they are either triggered or a new fractal in the same direction appears (in this case the previous signal has to be ignored and the pending order has to be deleted).
Fractals are objects of the first dimension. Only after the breakout of the first fractal can the following signals be accepted to open positions in the direction of the first signal. Signals from the consecutive fractals in the direction of the first deal can be used for adding on to the position.


ALLIGATOR
Bill Williams describes the Alligator as being like a compass which keeps your trading in the right direction. The

Alligator helps you spot a real trend and stay out of range-bound trading, which always result in losses. The

Alligator is the combination of three balance lines

Alligator's Jaw (the blue line) - 13-period moving average at the mid price (High+Low)/2, which is offset 8 bars

into the future,

Alligator's Teeth (the red line) - 8-period moving average at the mid price (High+Low)/2, which is offset 5 bars into the future,

Alligator's Lips (the green line) - 5-period moving average at the mid price (High+Low)/2, which is offset 2 bars

into the future.

If all three lines are intertwined, the Alligator is asleep and the market is range-bound. The longer it sleeps,

the hungrier it gets. When it wakes up from a long sleep it chases the price much farther, therefore price

movements are much stronger. When the Alligator is asleep, stay square. Once the Alligator wakes up, it opens its

mouth (Balance lines diverge) and starts hunting. Having eaten enough, it goes to sleep again (Balance Lines

converge), so it's time to fix profits.

If the Alligator is not asleep, the market is either uptrend or downtrend:
if the price is above the Alligator's mouth then it's an uptrend;
if the price is below the Alligator's mouth then it's a downtrend.
The Alligator also helps to determine the character of the Elliot waves:
if the price is outside the Alligator's mouth the wave is impulsive; if the price is inside the Alligator's mouth the wave is corrective.
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  •  botadufig05
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Congrats bro on your thread.

Can i have a copy of the book please. Thanks
 
 
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  •  donfriday
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Quoting botadufig05
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Congrats bro on your thread.

Can i have a copy of the book please. Thanks
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Thanks for posting on my new thread..i am here to share and learn from other so u are very welcome again .......
click on the name above the book image u will have a page on ur screen to save or open..
if u have any question about this, keep in post and will get back to you as soon as possible.
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  •  donfriday
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Here is 4hr chart needing 1 more fractal for sell entry , i will target the fractal inside the alligator Teeth for retest ...as long as price still remain above and inside alligator we are still uptrend..protect ur trade and dont let profit turn to lose..
good luck..
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  •  taxgeek
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Always good to see more chaos traders, but 1)I would be careful about offering copies of the books 2) MFI is not very useful in Forex - no meaningful volume data 3) You might want to check out the system as more recently described in Trading Chaos second edition. That system is discussed here: http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=117125 and in the pdf below. Admittedly you need to be thoroughly acquainted with all three books to properly use it.
 
 
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  •  donfriday
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Always good to see more chaos traders, but 1)I would be careful about offering copies of the books 2) MFI is not very useful in Forex - no meaningful volume data 3) You might want to check out the system as more recently described in Trading Chaos second edition. That system is discussed here: http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=117125 and in the pdf below. Admittedly you need to be thoroughly acquainted with all three books to properly use it.
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But not sure why u think i have to be careful sharing the book? this is the book i read and very helpful..chaos system is very good for money management and to spot entry exit points. MFI can be useful and may not but i dont have a problem with it because i am involve in VSA trading strategy also with price action ...i discover i should add this to the public if someone is out there to learn it since i found ir profitable so far..
thanks for offering the book and the advice....see u soon
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  •  donfriday
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Been holding a sell since friday 162.55 and adding to my sell now and i am using 5min chart breakout on my sell limit to triggered with the PA...
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  •  M256
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I like your system.
I have traded it somewhere in the beginning of my trading career, works very well. I especially like the use of Fractals in your trading system. Despite being not so popular, fractals help you time your trade well, not entering too late and not signaling reversals when they are not yet visible.

Thanks for sharing!
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  •  mima
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Donfridy, I tought that you are about VSA....
The Market pays you to be disciplined
 
 
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  •  donfriday
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Donfridy, I tought that you are about VSA....
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Bill williams chaos method include Volume it doesn't have to be volume alone...all the indi on my chat is chaos method ..
thanks for posting ...
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I like your system.
I have traded it somewhere in the beginning of my trading career, works very well. I especially like the use of Fractals in your trading system. Despite being not so popular, fractals help you time your trade well, not entering too late and not signaling reversals when they are not yet visible.

Thanks for sharing!
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thanks for the post...this method is not popular but many traders have seen the name even they have not read the awesome book from this man..
see you soon
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  •  donfriday
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sell limit triggered on the fractal breakout....enjoy piping shorting protect ur trade.....
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  •  donfriday
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I hope everyone on this board choppy GJ sell from the daily sell fractal ...
this is the 2nd best trader in the world system and it work damn to good..
hope new member will use it and maximize there profit ....
enjoy the bears...
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Quoting donfriday
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I hope everyone on this board choppy GJ sell from the daily sell fractal ...
this is the 2nd best trader in the world system and it work damn to good..
hope new member will use it and maximize there profit ....
enjoy the bears...
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price below alligator 4hrs is a bear flag...price still above alligator on daily candle but we need to have a new fractal in daily chart to confirm the end of bear flag and it should be inside the red alligator teeth a close of daily candle below this blue rectangle and line confirm the overall trend turn to bear in a mid term..

caution for long ...
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price below alligator 4hrs is a bear flag...price still above alligator on daily candle but we need to have a new fractal in daily chart to confirm the end of bear flag and it should be inside the red alligator teeth a close of daily candle below this blue rectangle and line confirm the overall trend turn to bear in a mid term..

caution for long ...
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this system work in any pair but i just decide to focus on GEPPY alone so anyone interested can use it the way he or she want ..

possible plan on gj..
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  •  Sonofsin5
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Hello and thanks for starting up a profitunity thread. I am interested as too why you choose to trade the strategy in book one instead of his latest book? Anyways I trade this system and have done the home-study course so I will post my thoughts here as they come. Thanks.
 
 
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  •  donfriday
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Hello and thanks for starting up a profitunity thread. I am interested as too why you choose to trade the strategy in book one instead of his latest book? Anyways I trade this system and have done the home-study course so I will post my thoughts here as they come. Thanks.
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you are very welcome into the chaos analysis thread...i really dont have the latest book but on my thread u will find 2 books and the system analysis in pdf format from a friend just post currently...
feel free to Join and post ur opinion to support and make it popular for other newbie to pick up fast..
thanks for the post..
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  •  donfriday
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1hr chart is showing a range market on gj, it need a corrective in a bearish divergence...looking at 15tf if there will be bearish or bullish angulation ..
trade with caution..alligator lips is close to teeth so market should range before corrective ..
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  •  Sonofsin5
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I am currently looking at the fractal on a 15min chart at 158.43 to enter short. The S&P500 is very rangy today and gj likes to follow it. I think we can get that entry there though for at least 20 pips. Ill post my charts if i get time.
 
 
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  •  donfriday
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I am currently looking at the fractal on a 15min chart at 158.43 to enter short. The S&P500 is very rangy today and gj likes to follow it. I think we can get that entry there though for at least 20 pips. Ill post my charts if i get time.
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that is true i was expecting the same thing..trading the breakout is interesting and sl above the previous bar....but 15tf still not showing anagulation ...i was expecting a up fractal on that candle inside the correcting alligator..
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