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  • #22,701
  • Jul 1, 2011 3:20am Jul 1, 2011 3:20am
EU, A pending sell order placed at 1.4569 as attached, stop 35pips.
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  • #22,702
  • Jul 1, 2011 3:21am Jul 1, 2011 3:21am
Quoting traderathome
1. QQE must be above the 50 Line and sloping up.
.. Not used anymore

2. CCI must be above the zero line and sloping up. It’s better that the colour of middle line of the CCI indicator be green for a long entry.
.. Not used anymore

3. It’s better and safer if there is a volume charge in NVO indicator.
.. Volume still popularly used, so NVO can be used. As you read thru thread you will find helpful comments, but basically you look for sudden spikes

4. Pay attention to the angle of the slope on Tunnel Dragon (or three 34MAs). The steeper,...
OMG~
The SonicR system did change a lot~~
I started learn this system 2 days ago,from the 1st page. But today accidently saw this comment from TAH , made me feel great impact@@

Why nothing is updated in the 1st page? Where should i start to learn this system? And what are the trading rules now?
  • #22,703
  • Jul 1, 2011 3:37am Jul 1, 2011 3:37am
Quoting kit_0807
OMG~
The SonicR system did change a lot~~
I started learn this system 2 days ago,from the 1st page. But today accidently saw this comment from TAH , made me feel great impact@@

Why nothing is updated in the 1st page? Where should i start to learn this system? And what are the trading rules now?
Because nothing has changed really.

If all setup conditions are met, such as price below/above dragon, 89EMA, proper waves and etc., CCI will already be below/above 50 line. So it is needless.

Volume and slope of the dragon are advised in the first page. So I don't see what part of the system you perceive as changed.
cut losses short, let profits run.
  • #22,704
  • Jul 1, 2011 4:03am Jul 1, 2011 4:03am
Quoting Domas4
Because nothing has changed really.

If all setup conditions are met, such as price below/above dragon, 89EMA, proper waves and etc., CCI will already be below/above 50 line. So it is needless.

Volume and slope of the dragon are advised in the first page. So I don't see what part of the system you perceive as changed.
Thanks for your explaination
So, all i need to trade SonicR is in the file "SonicR Indicators & Templates 05-15-2011 Release.zip", correct?
The trading concept i think can only be learn from this thread. Any though?
  • #22,705
  • Jul 1, 2011 4:07am Jul 1, 2011 4:07am
You can get the template from the 1st page or here. The rules are in the 1st page too, but many insights are made while following posts of other sonicers.
cut losses short, let profits run.
  • #22,706
  • Jul 1, 2011 4:25am Jul 1, 2011 4:25am
kit 0807, the secret to this system IMHO is choosing the right setups. If you take every valid setup on 15m chart you are very unlikely to be profitable over time. True heart of system is using areas of S&R and taking the valid set ups that bounce off those. You need some kind of bias as a filter and every trader here probably does it a little differently.

Its also well noticed that the setups that have a longer and deeper earlier pullback from the dragon usually tend to work better.

What works for me is looking at S&R on 4H chart... go back over last pages and check Nando Rich posts.
  • #22,707
  • Jul 1, 2011 4:52am Jul 1, 2011 4:52am
Quoting lemna
kit 0807, the secret to this system IMHO is choosing the right setups. If you take every valid setup on 15m chart you are very unlikely to be profitable over time. True heart of system is using areas of S&R and taking the valid set ups that bounce off those. You need some kind of bias as a filter and every trader here probably does it a little differently.

Its also well noticed that the setups that have a longer and deeper earlier pullback from the dragon usually tend to work better.

What works for me is looking at S&R on 4H chart... go...
Thanks for your input~
Recently i only pay attention to S&R on H4 or higher, lower timeframes too much noises
To all, have a good weekend~~i am not going to trade anymore until next week
  • #22,708
  • Jul 1, 2011 5:07am Jul 1, 2011 5:07am
question for wise mans - Sonic, TAH, nando, Domas?

today's situation on EU few minutes ago.
Red bar droped so fast, that to catch falling knife was not real at all and to have good entry position EP1. after candle was closed EP2 is to far imho and not safe. and recent PA even show that - it came back to 1.4520 level.

so was/is that pure sonicR setup? where and how better to enter it if yes?
If that is not pure setup, why? what is wrong here?

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  • #22,709
  • Jul 1, 2011 5:14am Jul 1, 2011 5:14am
Quoting kimis
question for wise mans - Sonic, TAH, nando, Domas?

today's situation on EU few minutes ago.
Red bar droped so fast, that to catch falling knife was not real at all and to have good entry position EP1. after candle was closed EP2 is to far imho and not safe. and recent PA even show that - it came back to 1.4520 level.

so was/is that pure sonicR setup? where and how better to enter it if yes?
If that is not pure setup, why? what is wrong here?

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It was a move down to run stops and to test the source of the rally - the green bar in your chart - dont go enter now - it can go both ways
"The future is already written in the past"
  • #22,710
  • Jul 1, 2011 5:19am Jul 1, 2011 5:19am
Quoting kimis
question for wise mans - Sonic, TAH, nando, Domas?

today's situation on EU few minutes ago.
Red bar droped so fast, that to catch falling knife was not real at all and to have good entry position EP1. after candle was closed EP2 is to far imho and not safe. and recent PA even show that - it came back to 1.4520 level.

so was/is that pure sonicR setup? where and how better to enter it if yes?
If that is not pure setup, why? what is wrong here?

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I think i talked about avoid the setups when a red/green bar appear...now you know why...

Anyway EP2 is +20 pips far of the dragon when it happens is better wait the run down if it is very hard i'd wait for a big pullback to the dragon and re-entry trade.

Best regards.
"Being picky only cost your time - not MONEY"...Hans
  • #22,711
  • Jul 1, 2011 5:20am Jul 1, 2011 5:20am
Quoting hansma
It was a move down to run stops and to test the source of the rally - the green bar in your chart - dont go enter now - it can go both ways

Sorry - forgot chart
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  • #22,712
  • Jul 1, 2011 5:24am Jul 1, 2011 5:24am
Quoting kimis
question for wise mans - Sonic, TAH, nando, Domas?
today's situation on EU few minutes ago.
Red bar droped so fast, that to catch falling knife was not real at all and to have good entry position EP1.[...]
I would not treat it as downtrend as long as it stays above the market ORANGE LINE. Although, since you missed the initial setup, you can enter on retracement, which will allow you to have very small stop loss. I oftentimes do that when setup is against the trend. Just never chase a trade.
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  • #22,713
  • Jul 1, 2011 5:24am Jul 1, 2011 5:24am
Quoting nando_rich
I think i talked about avoid the setups when a red/green bar appear...now you know why...

Best regards.

Yes you have - maybe people should make a note when someone posts their gems.
"The future is already written in the past"
  • #22,714
  • Jul 1, 2011 5:27am Jul 1, 2011 5:27am
Quoting nando_rich
I think i talked about avoid the setups when a red/green bar appear...now you know why...

Anyway EP2 is +20 pips far of the dragon when it happens is better wait the run down if it is very hard i'd wait for a big pullback to the dragon and re-entry trade.

Best regards.
well, yes, I do remember your post about setups with red bars but emo at such moments tels - look, how big volume comes, it gona break down
  • #22,715
  • Jul 1, 2011 5:30am Jul 1, 2011 5:30am
Tecnicaly the PA is rangin into the channel up...

It's very hard to trade it...until the PA doesn't go out...

Best Regards.
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"Being picky only cost your time - not MONEY"...Hans
  • #22,716
  • Jul 1, 2011 5:31am Jul 1, 2011 5:31am
Quoting kimis
question for wise mans - Sonic, TAH, nando, Domas?

today's situation on EU few minutes ago.
Red bar droped so fast, that to catch falling knife was not real at all and to have good entry position EP1. after candle was closed EP2 is to far imho and not safe. and recent PA even show that - it came back to 1.4520 level.

so was/is that pure sonicR setup? where and how better to enter it if yes?
If that is not pure setup, why? what is wrong here?

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Kimis, I am not who you ask for but I will respond as I have been watching EU.

That fast down move should not be classify as SonicR Short.
However, the only way to catch this fast move would be Sonic Scout Short.

And TAH would have capture this nice move down with a Scout Short around 1.4550 at a good number, that would be more of a valid quick down move.

For me, it was a shake out.
I enter a new Long just about 4 bars (M5) before this big down move. Mistake cost me -40pips.
And I got shaken out as I decided to exit my 29-Jun EU Long for profit +106pips to balance this mistake and in case it went further down.
Would have much more profit this morning if I did not enter just now and exit just now, arhh!

It went down fast to around 1.4670, and quickly rejected the low, and in a few M5 bars, came back up to 1.4520.

This fast rejection of 1.4670 showed it was a shake out, meaning to me it still look good for a Long EU.
Just need to get timing right, but be careful, if not sure, then just do nothing.
Perhaps a normal SonicR Long setup coming soon instead.
  • #22,717
  • Jul 1, 2011 5:32am Jul 1, 2011 5:32am
Quoting kimis
well, yes, I do remember your post about setups with red bars but emo at such moments tels - look, how big volume comes, it gona break down

Yes...i know mate...i'm human too
"Being picky only cost your time - not MONEY"...Hans
  • #22,718
  • Jul 1, 2011 5:49am Jul 1, 2011 5:49am
Quoting nando_rich
Yes...i know mate...i'm human too
damn, I thought you are not

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  • #22,719
  • Jul 1, 2011 5:49am Jul 1, 2011 5:49am
Quoting Domas4
E/U: TP hit.

And here is how to trade SonicR. Since foxybunny said it was valuable, I thought to put all screenshots into one post in case someone learns something. An example of trade management according to waves.

Result:
Short:
Position 1: +23 pips.
Position 2: -9 pips.

Long :
Position 1: 28 pips.

Total: 42 pips.

Domas, thank you kindly.
Your screen shots and explanations are valuable.

Also your other post of EUR/USD H4 chart show the up trend is around same point as my previous post with Daily chart showing up trend as well.

Regarding the usage of SL and reversing positions, we are on the same wave length and same page here.


People said Price is a Leading Indicator.

For me, my own Stop Loss is also a Leading Indicator.
At times, when hit SL, must reverse position.
Other times, when hit SL, means wait a bit longer to re-enter original position.
  • #22,720
  • Jul 1, 2011 5:52am Jul 1, 2011 5:52am
short...2/3 of my usual lot size...i don't trust in the market on friday so much.
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