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  • #333,681
  • Nov 26, 2010 10:02am Nov 26, 2010 10:02am
Quoting AdrianHNV
The day I know as little as you do about these things I will worry.........

Your knowledge of this simply out stands me especially as your quite knowledgeable about some things.. Never mind you have your opinion I have mine, you live in your world and I live in the real one, you know the one that exists now.
the signs of a lost argument is no facts. and added insults. with a little misdirection. you have all 3
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  • #333,682
  • Nov 26, 2010 10:05am Nov 26, 2010 10:05am
OMFG. It's like a game of f@cking whack-a-mole in here. I need another bag of popcorn. Wow. Look at that monthly bar. Who whudda thunk.
  • #333,683
  • Nov 26, 2010 10:05am Nov 26, 2010 10:05am
Quoting drzakir123
i am sorry i am a bit harsh to u.actuallly i should apologise to u.please do accept mine thanks may God has mercy on us.
Good Guys That is better
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  • #333,684
  • Nov 26, 2010 10:07am Nov 26, 2010 10:07am
Quoting PriceVolume
Wow. Look at that monthly bar. Who whudda thunk.

Largest bearish engulfing since inception. Closest rival is Sep 05 and Jan 00. But he no worries the dollar is going to crash soon
  • #333,685
  • Nov 26, 2010 10:07am Nov 26, 2010 10:07am
Quoting gatorinla
its was digit on a computer until used. all they did was raise the requirements for the banks. like is said. media bs sold to sheep.
u just turned my bank account into worthless digits until i start using it.i thought i have save some money with hard work[oh God how much stress and bullshit i have taken at the work to earn those pounds.and u gator turned it into worthless digits with a keystroke until i use it.
Allah has permitted trade and has forbidden interest [koran]
  • #333,686
  • Nov 26, 2010 10:10am Nov 26, 2010 10:10am
Quoting sisse
Its a very unconventional way to analyze monetary policy but you make sense and have a valid point. However, I will have to look in detail about the TARP.

True, that most of that TARP money was never use (Goldman Sachs comes to my mind) but there are a few other that went directly to cover massive financial losses (that from monetary point of view is relevant and implies increase in M) like Fannie & Freddie, AIG and even GM.

On the other hand the nearly $550 billions already been disbursed on the TARP actually make sense to the $600 billion QE2....
the u.s. propped up the ez long before crises. we have a common interest and don't want a ww3.. but shit happens....

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  • #333,687
  • Nov 26, 2010 10:11am Nov 26, 2010 10:11am
Quoting cloggie
Creating fiat money upsets the monetary supply balance sheet to the extend that delfation is created which in effect is taxing the business cycle, you cannot print money without an effect and the effect is larger then the resultant benefit.
deflation? deflation is initial. inflation is the risk
  • #333,688
  • Nov 26, 2010 10:11am Nov 26, 2010 10:11am
Quoting gatorinla
the u.s. propped up the ez long before crises. we have a common interest and don't want a ww3.. but shit happens.

Look at all the swaps on the balance sheet.
  • #333,689
  • Nov 26, 2010 10:11am Nov 26, 2010 10:11am
Quoting drzakir123
u just turned my bank account into worthless digits until i start using it.i thought i have save some money with hard work[oh God how much stress and bullshit i have taken at the work to earn those pounds.and u gator turned it into worthless digits with a keystroke until i use it.
Hey. You know those pounds you have in your account? They're worth significantly less now. Sorry.
  • #333,690
  • Nov 26, 2010 10:13am Nov 26, 2010 10:13am
Right now Dow is trading about 35% of average daily volume.

Last hour may be interesting if we get a nice short. I look forward 1.3264 holds for a while
They think they are smarter than I am.
  • #333,691
  • Nov 26, 2010 10:14am Nov 26, 2010 10:14am
Quoting PriceVolume
OMFG. It's like a game of f@cking whack-a-mole in here. I need another bag of popcorn. Wow. Look at that monthly bar. Who whudda thunk.


people are just pissed cause they had shitty week because they

1) have no clue what theyre doing and only think they do

2) improper risk management
  • #333,692
  • Nov 26, 2010 10:16am Nov 26, 2010 10:16am
Quoting drzakir123
u just turned my bank account into worthless digits until i start using it.i thought i have save some money with hard work[oh God how much stress and bullshit i have taken at the work to earn those pounds.and u gator turned it into worthless digits with a keystroke until i use it.
first off your not in usd. second off your talking about money that is already in the system. 2 different things. an order for ford to build a car is not a car until its built. the guy who ordered the car has to take possession, i would think before he owns the car.
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #333,693
  • Nov 26, 2010 10:17am Nov 26, 2010 10:17am
While we are talking shite... Any comments on this? If we going to have Dollar rally continue next week, we might need to break this 1st!

USD/CHF already above 55 ema and broken upwards today... v
EUR/USD Broken Daily Trendline downwards...
Cable just made lower low today...
AUD/USD Complex H&S broke neckline downward...
U/J broke daily trend upwards and 55ema and now broke the weeks range upwards (chart attached)
NZD/USD Finally broke 55EMA...

What do you guys have to say? Seems like Dollar has broken most barriers and should have a BULLISH DOLLAR week next week. Add to this the EZ trouble and potential Korean Banter...
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  • #333,694
  • Nov 26, 2010 10:18am Nov 26, 2010 10:18am
Quoting mfoste1
people are just pissed cause they had shitty week because they

1) have no clue what theyre doing and only think they do

2) improper risk management
Spot on. They have to hope, despite facts. Many can't come to grips with what they have done to their accounts. Denial is a powerful thing, and any threat to their delusion becomes a target. Harsh truth, tough love....whatever you want to call it.
  • #333,695
  • Nov 26, 2010 10:19am Nov 26, 2010 10:19am
Quoting darimik
no one wants to do it the hoover style.. Keynesian economics became very popular after the great depression which made a lot of sense as far as what was wrong.in 1990s people thought that the business cycle was basically gone, as recessions can easily be cured by monetary policy. surely it was underestimated.

the effect of a global market has made a tremendous impact. countries in latin america + korea have to go through 1990s again.. as we are moving forward, it seems that the Keynes policy might just be right.
"Hoover style" is how almost all recessions/depressions were resolved prior to Keynesianism. The system was flushed of excesses, the overleveraged were punished, and the economy recovered quickly.
Keynesianism is a death by 1000 cuts. It turns a 3-4 year recession/depression into a multidecade event.

Andrew Mellon, Treasury Secretary under Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover said it best: "Liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate. It will purge the rottenness out of the system. High costs of living and high living will come down. People will work harder, live a more moral life. Values will be adjusted, and enterprising people will pick up from less competent people.”


Keynesianism calls for running government surpluses during good times to pay for the stimulus during bad times. For this reason alone, Keynesianism will never work in the real world. What you see practiced in the real world is faux-Keynesianism.
  • #333,696
  • Nov 26, 2010 10:19am Nov 26, 2010 10:19am
Quoting darimik
deflation? deflation is initial. inflation is the risk

That is a very good point and an economic argument that goes back to the great depression, does deflation cure itself or is the increase in monetary supply needed to twart it. Does the increase in monetary supply actually decrease the recycle rate within the economy and does the increase in money supply actually halt the decreases in prices or does it have a secondary effect as related to overall debt of the economy and its resultant effect.

We are getting extremely technical here and there are again two very opposing views and beliefs, Bennie truly believes that the only way to twart deflation is the increase in money supply. Others (me included) are of the tought that the increase in money supply does not necessarily increase the recycle rate within the economy and stop deflationary pressure on prices.

Current QE both in the US and the UK is in my view directed at the wrong end of the economic money flow and should be (if considered) directed at the consumer/producer end of the economy. However there are other means to stimulate the money flow and recycle rate at the level where it makes a difference, get the retail banks lending and using money again, give them enough incentives to increase the recycle rate at the level where it will have the greatest benefit to the overall economy, the user level.

This will be hotly debated among scholars for generations to come.

My view is clear though, the government should stay of it. Government can't stimulate economies, only the private sector can.
  • #333,697
  • Nov 26, 2010 10:21am Nov 26, 2010 10:21am
by the blood of mary and jesus they are all money changers and theives in the temple.its been two thousands years , jesus christ had use his whip on these sorts.may God bless the poor and downtrodden.
Allah has permitted trade and has forbidden interest [koran]
  • #333,698
  • Nov 26, 2010 10:24am Nov 26, 2010 10:24am
Quoting pawpaw1000
While we are talking shite... Any comments on this? If we going to have Dollar rally continue next week, we might need to break this 1st!

USD/CHF already above 55 ema and broken upwards today... v
EUR/USD Broken Daily Trendline downwards...
Cable just made lower low today...
AUD/USD Complex H&S broke neckline downward...
U/J broke daily trend upwards and 55ema and now broke the weeks range upwards (chart attached)
NZD/USD Finally broke 55EMA...

What do you guys have to say? Seems like Dollar has broken most barriers and should have...
I've a bearish U/J view during a dollar rally
  • #333,699
  • Nov 26, 2010 10:27am Nov 26, 2010 10:27am
Quoting drzakir123
by the blood of mary and jesus they are all money changers and theives in the temple.its been two thousands years , jesus christ had use his whip on these sorts.may God bless the poor and downtrodden.
Thanks for that. You're hilarious. I laughed so hard pepsi is now all over my monitor. Know what the meek inherit? The earth. In other words...dirt.
Play the game. Or bend over. Your choice.
  • #333,700
  • Nov 26, 2010 10:29am Nov 26, 2010 10:29am
Quoting drzakir123
by the blood of mary and jesus they are all money changers and theives in the temple.its been two thousands years , jesus christ had use his whip on these sorts.may God bless the poor and downtrodden.
then the poor better hide some nuts for the winter.
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
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