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  • #333,661
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:48am Nov 26, 2010 9:48am
Quoting darimik
no. you cannot collect fiat money in taxes, before you actually spend it. you print the thing first. then you collect it in taxes.

Creating fiat money upsets the monetary supply balance sheet to the extend that delfation is created which in effect is taxing the business cycle, you cannot print money without an effect and the effect is larger then the resultant benefit.
  • #333,662
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:48am Nov 26, 2010 9:48am
Quoting AdrianHNV
Don't want to sound rude CLOGGIE but your talking a load of old bill shit here. You may well be the expert on FOREX, but you know f**k all about anything much else and in particular this.
panda steak don't last long.
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #333,663
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:48am Nov 26, 2010 9:48am
Quoting drzakir123
i am sorry i am a bit harsh to u.actuallly i should apologise to u.please do accept mine thanks may God has mercy on us.
The finest tool in the world still needs a MAN who KNOWS how to use it.
  • #333,664
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:49am Nov 26, 2010 9:49am
Quoting gatorinla
yes.. a single country. whose gonna fight more?

most didn't get it with the tarp bailout bs in the media. The tarp was mostly just placed into u.s. bank's accounts. most of it was never used. it was just a # on a computer. most never hit the system. so it didn't exist. Remember the banks were loaning very little. so the money in the system already wasn't pulled out.
the stress test in the ez did pull money out. as will these bailouts. unless they print.

since the u.s. banks didn't loan as expected during...
but federal reserve balance sheet still shows the tarp money and as well as this recent 600 billion QE2.so this is real money it is still there in the system.if one say it hasnt enter the system then one is day dreaming.that money has got to appear somewhere but it will appear and these things take sometime i guess as those players who get the money are very long term player[their time frame is decades]
Allah has permitted trade and has forbidden interest [koran]
  • #333,665
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:50am Nov 26, 2010 9:50am
Quoting AdrianHNV
As I say CLOGGIE, you are as we all know an expert on the Forex, but your not when it comes to 'how the world' works, or who is to dog and who is not.....

Everything which is happening not with Korea has been on the 'cards' for the last 2 years or so at least................. Maybe thinking outside of the box yourself, would in this particular circumstance be a good idea. The USA is no longer the super power it once was. Whether that be in currency or anything else. The realities of the 21st century are starting to fall into place....
Sorry to burst your bubble but the US is still the only economic and military powerhouse in the world, and that is not going to change during this generation.
  • #333,666
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:50am Nov 26, 2010 9:50am
Quoting AdrianHNV
As I say CLOGGIE, you are as we all know an expert on the Forex, but your not when it comes to 'how the world' works, or who is to dog and who is not.....

Everything which is happening not with Korea has been on the 'cards' for the last 2 years or so at least................. Maybe thinking outside of the box yourself, would in this particular circumstance be a good idea. The USA is no longer the super power it once was. Whether that be in currency or anything else. The realities of the 21st century are starting to fall into place....
looking for a fact in here?
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #333,667
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:50am Nov 26, 2010 9:50am
Quoting ukcool
If everyone on our planet, did what you guys just did. It would really be heaven.
You just made me cry. Really. to EVERYONE here
The finest tool in the world still needs a MAN who KNOWS how to use it.
  • #333,668
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:51am Nov 26, 2010 9:51am
Quoting gatorinla
looking for a fact in here?

Don't go wasting too much of your time.
  • #333,669
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:52am Nov 26, 2010 9:52am
Quoting SirMcPip
Why should they sacrifice the USD? They will be handsomely rewarded...the chinese aint quiet as stupid as those "smart" westerners think. The USD will be a precious commodity soon. Forget about the crash of the USD, thats nonsense.
I've never said anything about crash of US dollar, but how about the China will not be printing as many Yuan to support the dollar which will most likely result in Yuan being stronger against some other currencies. Since you touched commodities – I can tell you that with stronger Yuan they will get better commodity prices. Can you argue that with constructive argument?
  • #333,670
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:53am Nov 26, 2010 9:53am
Quoting gatorinla
panda steak don't last long.

Same with all chinese food really.
  • #333,671
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:53am Nov 26, 2010 9:53am
Quoting cloggie
Just reason it through, if the US gets involved in Korea, the local currencies will devalue and the local indices will drop, global risk aversion will take hold and the only place to go is the dollar. An obvious cause and effect.
simple intelligence
  • #333,672
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:54am Nov 26, 2010 9:54am
What's the SP with Thanksgiving then? everyone just taking an extra long weekend or what?

Liquidity just died a death past hour, I mean I know it's friday, but this thing just ain't moving at all...
  • #333,673
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:54am Nov 26, 2010 9:54am
Quoting FibbinArchie
What's the SP with Thanksgiving then? everyone just taking an extra long weekend or what?

Liquidity just died a death past hour, I mean I know it's friday, but this thing just ain't moving at all...

Yeah it is, NY is not there to carry it through.
  • #333,674
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:55am Nov 26, 2010 9:55am
Quoting ukcool
If everyone on our planet, did what you guys just did. It would really be heaven.
i for one definatley going to hate that world.
Allah has permitted trade and has forbidden interest [koran]
  • #333,675
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:58am Nov 26, 2010 9:58am
Quoting drzakir123
but federal reserve balance sheet still shows the tarp money and as well as this recent 600 billion QE2.so this is real money it is still there in the system.if one say it hasnt enter the system then one is day dreaming.that money has got to appear somewhere but it will appear and these things take sometime i guess as those players who get the money are very long term player[their time frame is decades]
its was digit on a computer until used. all they did was raise the requirements for the banks. like is said. media bs sold to sheep.
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #333,676
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:58am Nov 26, 2010 9:58am
Quoting cloggie
Sorry to burst your bubble but the US is still the only economic and military powerhouse in the world, and that is not going to change during this generation.

The day I know as little as you do about these things I will worry.........

Your knowledge of this simply out stands me especially as your quite knowledgeable about some things.. Never mind you have your opinion I have mine, you live in your world and I live in the real one, you know the one that exists now.
  • #333,677
  • Nov 26, 2010 9:59am Nov 26, 2010 9:59am
Quoting cloggie
Yeah it is, NY is not there to carry it through.
Gonna knock it on the head then, get ready to go out and see my mate's band playing tonight.

Have a wicked weekend all...
  • #333,678
  • Nov 26, 2010 10:00am Nov 26, 2010 10:00am
Quoting FibbinArchie
Gonna knock it on the head then, get ready to go out and see my mate's band playing tonight.

Have a wicked weekend all...

See you next week, I am hanging around a bit longer for the muppet entertainment here.
  • #333,679
  • Nov 26, 2010 10:00am Nov 26, 2010 10:00am
Its a very unconventional way to analyze monetary policy but you make sense and have a valid point. However, I will have to look in detail about the TARP.

True, that most of that TARP money was never use (Goldman Sachs comes to my mind) but there are a few other that went directly to cover massive financial losses (that from monetary point of view is relevant and implies increase in M) like Fannie & Freddie, AIG and even GM.

On the other hand the nearly $550 billions already been disbursed on the TARP actually make sense to the $600 billion QE2. It is actually interesting to see what is the actual real value of printing. I will look at that in detail but is a good point you made.

What I disagree is that your diminishing the potential response in the EZ and especially on China. These are not static players, that will sit and watch (China) the US screwing their economies.

They have leverage and I don't have a doubt they will use it. Without undermining the importance of the US (FED) in this, the playing field is rather dynamic and the "opponents" are not a random Latin America country in the 50s that will just sit and watch while the US play its game.

sisse

Quoting gatorinla
yes.. a single country....
Pending conversations? PM for a chat...I am mainly in OTM now
  • #333,680
  • Nov 26, 2010 10:02am Nov 26, 2010 10:02am
Quoting cloggie
See you next week, I am hanging around a bit longer for the muppet entertainment here.
Yeah cool, I'll probably be about tomorrow morning for a bit of longer term analysis...
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