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  • #169,001
  • Dec 5, 2009 8:28am Dec 5, 2009 8:28am
Quoting Evilgoat
you should read up on it than

The treaty arranges the “transfer of technical and financial resources from developed countries to developing countries” via “a multilateral climate change fund” and other schemes. By 2020...
The draft’s many revenue options include penalties and fines, a 2 percent tax on international financial-market transactions.....

People just think that this is about climate change and "cleaning" the environment.
We're going to get bent over and railed again and again and it's our children and great grand...
*LMFAO* no shit? there has been slavery, forced labor camps ect. before. man is a disease. this will come back from time to time. no matter if we burn trees or not. we had the same points made about dumping mercury or whatever industry wanted in our rivers many decades past. they said we would lose jobs ect. well maybe we did. but maybe its worth it. when weighed against the cost of not doing it. add in the cost of health. then again back then as well as now health is a commodity. we should put it on an exchange along with cancer.. hey we have had a slavery exchange before too. this could be great.. let me know when it starts i want to buy in.

hell if you want wallmart to stop selling baked tiger testicles. then you dont shop at wallmart. so if some parts of the world dont have a certain standard. then dont shop there. or from anyone who does. it keeps the playing field even. if u.s. would practice this there would be less problems. forced labor problem solved.

we got one side scaring people one way and another scaring the opposite. in this case just follow the money. its amazing to get your point across each side puts on a hockey mask..i love jason in the 13th

slavery. forced labor camps ect. will always find a way. from time to time. we dont like to admit it. but its in our history. and when things get bad and we ate the last dog and our shoe leather and the last rat. we will size up each other for the next meal. the haves always take from the have nots. untill the have nots overthrow the haves. its a cycle repeated thousands of times in our history. its in our DNA.. its a trend... the trend is your friend..


back to the cave.
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  • #169,002
  • Edited 8:59am Dec 5, 2009 8:33am | Edited 8:59am
Two Four Hour Chart (H4) views from November 2009 and May 2008, to the present, display a 200 period Exponential Moving Average (Orange dash dot) and a 72 period Exponential Moving Average (bold Khaki).

Where the 200 period EMA is declining, the Orange dash dot line changes into bold red.

The December 4, 2009 Price Action has caused the Four Hour Chart (H4) 200 EMA to decline. It is currently bold red.

One possible definition of a Reversal to the Short side could be when the 200 EMA is declining, with the 72 EMA eventually crossing below the 200 EMA. This was the case in the spring of 2009, and during portions of 2008.

December 2008 experienced a Reversal to the Long side, for perhaps six weeks, by this model.
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  • #169,003
  • Dec 5, 2009 9:19am Dec 5, 2009 9:19am
Quoting The Fool
Your analogy is remarkably inappropriate. The ice that can significantly affect mean sea level if it melts is not in the ocean, and so bears no similarity to your ice cubes in a glass of water. There are huge masses of ice that are on land, not in the ocean. The Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets are not floating in the ocean - they are sitting atop land masses. These are huge quantities of ice, representing large fractions of the total fresh water on the planet, and will easily effect mean sea level as they melt. And they are melting at an accelerated...
let me get this straight. when they say continent like antarctica. they actually have land underneath? so a continent is a land mass? and these ice sheets are miles high. so if the worlds circumference is X and the land mass is Y and lets say X surface is 99 % greater then y surface. and y melted 100 feet.. this would make sea level 1 foot higher. hmmm and we got miles of this??? damn, good bye New York City, Florida, Louisiana.. Bangladesh Netherlands.. ect. damn more storms, stronger and further inland. I'm buying ocean front property in Jackson Miss. for the great grand kids.. get it while its cheap.. hey look at those dummies in Dubai buying all that future ocean..

one big piece of ice slidding down a land mass makes a hell of a wave.. i predit wave happens dec 2012.. all who want to bet send cash to my account. i will hold bets until jan 2013 and settle soon after. odds are 100/1.. min bet 10 million euro.

all bets welcome. and will consider smaller ones. no refunds . winners will be paid in zimbai currency with equal face value. void where prohibited.
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  • #169,004
  • Dec 5, 2009 9:26am Dec 5, 2009 9:26am
Quoting The Fool
Your analogy is remarkably inappropriate. The ice that can significantly affect mean sea level if it melts is not in the ocean, and so bears no similarity to your ice cubes in a glass of water. There are huge masses of ice that are on land, not in the ocean. The Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets are not floating in the ocean - they are sitting atop land masses. These are huge quantities of ice, representing large fractions of the total fresh water on the planet, and will easily effect mean sea level as they melt. And they are melting at an accelerated...
the ocean has land underneath the water. Would that be considered land mass?
All that is left in FF is just plain garbage. "Cloggie"
  • #169,005
  • Dec 5, 2009 9:40am Dec 5, 2009 9:40am
Haha, more climate talk? Well Fool is absolutely right. If the ice on both Greenland and Antarctica melt sea levels are expected to rise 20 ft, though the rise will be unevenly distributed because the weight of the ice melting will allow those land masses to rise and there is some weird anomaly that means sea levels will actually be slightly higher in the North Atlantic. Predictions are 25 ft near New York.

Anyway, what do you guys expect for tomorrow out of the EUR/USD? My models are pointing up, but then again they didn't predict that move down either so...
  • #169,006
  • Dec 5, 2009 10:12am Dec 5, 2009 10:12am
Quoting Artcritique
then I might be one of the people trying to take over the world..NOT!
My tastes don't run to megalomania.
The $5500 was only a vague guess, If it occured it might be years away, and given the probabilities for inflation the value might be irrelevant. Diversification is the best for everyone. I can really only state a few things for certain on gold. 1) the supply is finite.2) it is expensive and timeconsuming to produce more. 3) In real dollar terms it is very cheap compared to historical values. So you decide??
Interesting observation .Not know more about gold though. Just few points I want to put .
1) though supply is finite it is most preserved item,nor increase automatically nor evaporated .any amount add will remain almost forever.
2) Perhaps cheaper than before in terms of any printed notes/any consumable items and even I like to mention the absolute gold standard is land value .The land we have not increasing or decreasing ( may do with global worming some says ) with increasing demand all time & with increasing price too.The price of land increased multiple folds when compare to gold itself.At the same time people earning for simple jobs also multiplies than before , say 30 years back for one medium class job salary was only 100$ now this same job doing for 1000$ but gold did not 10times not any other item grew proportionately, increasing more buying power & the luxuries of gold increased for their families.similar cases with any land owners , they are getting more & more money power owning the land simply inherited.

So if any chance the land be increased ( may be some say the surface of Moon option but may decrease some say due global warming ) ) or decrease the demand or decrease of population anytime soon or the job salary already UP or the overall market of commodities/services arround already UP?
If any possible ? if not to turn all these thighs to the opposit direction they will need more & more money to meet the need having the same gold reserve with money devaluation & automatically increased gold price wherever the intercurrency stands .
and doing so with excessive abuse of the real neccessary item of the world such as oil (& water ) ultimately damage the whole world when gold 5,500$ or multiples will not help. may be hundreds of years later and every impossible can be automatically possible

Not any economist so any inappropriate forget it.
fontu
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  • #169,007
  • Dec 5, 2009 10:35am Dec 5, 2009 10:35am
Quoting MrGetPips
I was just reading the messages of yesterday and those posted during the news and its just amazing how many folks were trying to go long after a 100p drop. I wonder how many of you or yesterdays bulls got a margin call? Its strange to see people trying to catch a falling fireball.
Hindsight is 20/20 but when you trade you trade in real time. I have seen many NFP days where it goes down 100 pips and then it goes up 150 pips and finishes higher. You need to make the call when is happening, not Saturday morning. Had this been the case here, you would have people bragging how they caught it at the bottom. LOL. And if you think 100 pips would cause a margin call, well then you won't be around too long...you should trade where not even 1000 pips would cause a marging call.
Oh I see this is your first post..why don't you make a couple of real time calls next week genious.
  • #169,008
  • Dec 5, 2009 10:39am Dec 5, 2009 10:39am
  •  Duitman
  • | Joined Jun 2009 | Status: Never too late to learn | 51 Posts | Online Now
The euphoria over the NFPR, resulting in the "resurgence of dollar strength" and decline of the Euro is utter nonsense and fantasy. Check this AP report out:

"WASHINGTON - Within the vast pool of 15.4 million unemployed workers, a split is emerging: The number of long-term jobless — those out of work six months or longer — is growing, while the number of short-term unemployed is declining.The trend highlights a considerable challenge for the economy and policymakers: finding a way for the millions of Americans laid off last fall and early this year to get back to work.
The data, buried in Friday's unemployment report, are stark: The number of Americans out of work for 27 weeks or more reached 5.9 million last month, the most on records dating from 1948. That's 18 percent more than just three months ago, when the total was just below 5 million."


"Still, "new hiring may not be picking up all that much," said Lawrence Mishel, president of the Economic Policy Institute, a liberal think tank. "So what you're seeing is less people thrown into unemployment."
And without more jobs, the long-term unemployment problem is likely to linger. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke has expressed concern that people caught in long spells of unemployment could see their skills atrophy."

 

  1. 11,000: The net total of jobs lost in November
  2. 111,000: Jobs lost in October
  3. 139,000: Jobs lost in September
  4. 691,000: Average monthly loss in first three months of this year
  5. 7.2 million: Total decline in U.S. payrolls since recession began in December 2007

Unemployment still high

 

  1. 10 percent: November's unemployment rate, in double digits for only the second time in 26 years
  2. 10.2 percent: October's jobless rate, the highest since April 1983
  3. 10.8 percent: Unemployment rate in December 1982, the highest since World War II

Where the jobs are

 

  1. 52,400: The number of temporary jobs added in November, the biggest increase in five years.


    The article can be viewed in entirety here:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34280589...s_and_economy/

  • #169,009
  • Dec 5, 2009 10:44am Dec 5, 2009 10:44am
Quoting Protogenos
Haha, more climate talk? Well Fool is absolutely right. If the ice on both Greenland and Antarctica melt sea levels are expected to rise 20 ft, though the rise will be unevenly distributed because the weight of the ice melting will allow those land masses to rise and there is some weird anomaly that means sea levels will actually be slightly higher in the North Atlantic. Predictions are 25 ft near New York.

Anyway, what do you guys expect for tomorrow out of the EUR/USD? My models are pointing up, but then again they didn't predict that move...
good point the great lakes are doing that also. the floor levels are comming up do to decompression.

as for as euro goes it may go higher. and i should of settled my short position. but i have seen signs of this for months. i thought we would get to 5171.. thats where i would started building shorts and would sell levels beyond for a pullback. now i will just have to wait. commodity pairs such as kiwi aud vs usd aud/usd below 9034 closes should comfirm this. both broke trendlines weeks ago as did usdx.. as well so did cad.. i posted a diagram for toshi on this weeks back. when micho wished me good luck. (he should bottle that stuff) so far this is just a little pullback of the larger uptrend. but if those newer lower trendlines are broken on commodity pairs its over. for eu longs. funny thing about the kiwi and lonnie .. they are little birds. some say dinosaurs come from birds. can past predict future. isnt the coal in the coal mine made of dinosaurs? hence canary in coal mine. hence commodities. with misses plumb with the lead pipe? anyway i always thought commodities lead this pair (excluding gold)... so whether a pullback or not.. Dont sit on your nuts.. make money both directions.


for your viewing entertainment i posted another copy or original ass chart..along with a few others.

throw away if you like.

happy pippin
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  • #169,010
  • Dec 5, 2009 10:56am Dec 5, 2009 10:56am
Quoting The Fool
People will see and believe what they want to believe and justify those beliefs with the pettiest, flimsiest "reasons".

Human ignorance is a force of Nature as dependable as the seasons.
The same can be applied to the flipside.
  • #169,011
  • Dec 5, 2009 11:03am Dec 5, 2009 11:03am
in trading as well as in all of life. ask yourself. what if your wrong? do you have a sl? will a margin call change your life?

gone
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  • #169,012
  • Dec 5, 2009 11:04am Dec 5, 2009 11:04am
Quoting Duitman
The euphoria over the NFPR, resulting in the "resurgence of dollar strength" and decline of the Euro is utter nonsense and fantasy. Check this AP report out:

"WASHINGTON - Within the vast pool of 15.4 million unemployed workers, a split is emerging: The number of long-term jobless — those out of work six months or longer — is growing, while the number of short-term unemployed is declining.The trend highlights a considerable challenge for the economy and policymakers: finding a way for the millions of Americans laid off last fall and...
Thanks for the link. Uncle Ben will speak Monday at 12:00 Eastern. The spin he gives will go a long way towards settling this argument. If he wants a lower dollar he will say that rate increase is not in the foreseeable future or will stay low some substantial time, or say that top line numbers do not reflect the real picture. He will spin it how he wants it, and then the clowns that lowered the time for interest rates to go up will go back to their same % of it happening as earlier. LOL. Stay tuned.
  • #169,013
  • Edited 11:59am Dec 5, 2009 11:44am | Edited 11:59am
http://www.fx360.com/Index.aspx
K and B are at it again.
They have a down bias on the EURUSD, but the strategy is to sell it a 1.5338 for a price target 1.5168 for 170 pips. That is funny, a 500 pip up move to their trade. Why don't they just buy it and pocket 500 instead of 170? This was posted at 5.06 pm eastern friday, after market closed.
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  • #169,014
  • Dec 5, 2009 11:54am Dec 5, 2009 11:54am
Quoting gatorinla
good point the great lakes are doing that also. the floor levels are comming up do to decompression.

as for as euro goes it may go higher. and i should of settled my short position. but i have seen signs of this for months. i thought we would get to 5171.. thats where i would started building shorts and would sell levels beyond for a pullback. now i will just have to wait. commodity pairs such as kiwi aud vs usd aud/usd below 9034 closes should comfirm this. both broke trendlines weeks ago as did usdx.. as well so did cad.. i posted a...
Good chart & information specially "so whether a pullback or not.. Dont sit on your nuts.. make money both directions." I try to follow you long time but simply can't it, may be not ready before computer timely nor follow after it open or confuse decision taking whatever trying learn it all time.

EU bull still not dead perhaps & market can any miracle any time.
fontu
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  • #169,015
  • Dec 5, 2009 12:01pm Dec 5, 2009 12:01pm
Quoting wwwin
K and B are at it again.

Those that can, do; those that can't, write about it.
"If The Fool persists in his Folly he will become wise." - William Blake
  • #169,016
  • Dec 5, 2009 12:08pm Dec 5, 2009 12:08pm
Quoting gatorinla
good point the great lakes are doing that also. the floor levels are comming up do to decompression.

happy pippin
I can see that I was poorly prepared when I began posting last evening. I am not some alarmist 'Chicken little' running about screamining "the sky is falling".. I also do not intend to try hijacking this or any forum, so this will be my last public post on the subject except as rebutals. I am indeed a geographer. Those who doubt my earlier statements need only calculate the area of the Greenland and Antarctic Ice sheets and compare that to the surface area of the earth. btw, the ice sheets are not "miles thick".

There are normal variations in elevation which have been occuring throughout history and before. These have nothing to do with global warming. Venice has been sinking since it was built, other areas like much of Holland were built below sealevel and rely on a constant fight to keep them dry. Humans have always settled on low flat land next to water???

There are very few people in the civilized world who have not longed for a cleaner more natural environment. The entire hippy movement was founded on this urge. However, it is not reasonable. A hunter gatherer society or a pastoral agrarian society was fine when we had only a few million people on planet Earth. With 7+ billions it would not work.

Many Westerners long for some cleansing event (to reduce that 7 billion). Be carfull, you may get what you want. Nature is far more capable than man of delivering such an event. And, consider the consequences; the globe is now so interconnected that we will all suffer what happens in any other area. There are few people in the developed world who can survive on the "100 mile diet". And also, this presuposes enough mobility and infrastructure to aquire the food.

As for those who long for the cleansing effects of a 'new depression', ask yourselves how much of the world is capable of growing their own food? In 1930, the US was still largely an agricultural society with a population of about 125 milions. Today, most farm land is owned by large corporations who will not be freindly to squatters claiming a piece for growing vegetables. And the skill set has been lost. Even if given land and tools and the benifit of the proper seasonal window for planting, less than one person in one thousand, has the knowledge to grow and harvest a crop.??

In conclusion: My problem with the Copenhagen treaty is that it is being 'imposed' by arrogant people whose shortsighted views are based on bad science (merely stating 'facts' repeatedly, and getting the soundbite press to parrot them, does not make it real). Also, these people are not concerned with the future of mankind. Once they understood that the 'Dream of the stars' was impossible, they set about creating an Economic Singularity here on Earth. Totally ignoring that any organism which does not grow, immediatly begins to die.

There are plenty of opportunities for Mankind's growth and evolution. These are stiffled by conservative mindsets. They can be fostered by an emphasis on global education. Each individuals time on Earth is short, and their influence is limited. There is reasonably good evidence that if we foster global education, the population will actually decrease. This has happened in all developed countries.
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  • #169,017
  • Edited 12:36pm Dec 5, 2009 12:17pm | Edited 12:36pm
My view on EU 4hr. I took the ride down from 1.5130 like I was posting. Close that out @1.4870.

Took long before weekend at 1.4832 SL at 1.4800 Target is 1.50 before I think about shorting this sucker again. After such a long down move, 2 things are going to happen next week. Either all the big shots are ready to dump before the holidays and that was their key or we will get a rapid retracement. Im betting on number 2.

Im looking to short around 1.50 and 1.5035. Personally I dont think it will come to about tuesday or wednesday so that is why I'm riding it up. And just because it hits these levels doesnt mean I'll close my longs right away...gotta watch price action to decide if the market is turning or just taking a break.

Goodluck everyone.
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  • #169,018
  • Dec 5, 2009 12:28pm Dec 5, 2009 12:28pm
Quoting dstryr
My view on EU 4hr. I took the ride down from 1.5130 like I was posting. Close that out @1.4870.

Took long before weekend at 1.4832 SL at 1.4800 Target is 1.50 before I think about shorting this sucker again. After such a long down move, 2 things are going to happen next week. Either all the big shots are ready to dump before the holidays and that was their key or we will get a rapid retracement. Im betting on number 2.

Im looking to short around 1.50 and 1.5035. Personally I dont think it will come to about tuesday or wednesday so that is why...
Dennis the wave count is wrong
  • #169,019
  • Dec 5, 2009 12:34pm Dec 5, 2009 12:34pm
Quoting nAVIN2007
Dennis the wave count is wrong
im still learning . Wave count might be wrong but it made me money . Get on skype and show me.
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  • #169,020
  • Dec 5, 2009 12:38pm Dec 5, 2009 12:38pm
#4??

Quoting nAVIN2007
Dennis the wave count is wrong
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