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  • #4,981
  • Aug 15, 2009 3:01am Aug 15, 2009 3:01am
Sonic, is this where we watch for Hammers, inverted hammers, hanging man, evening stars, etc?
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  • #4,982
  • Aug 15, 2009 4:53am Aug 15, 2009 4:53am
Quoting Rastaman
DD

below is the standard setting with the Sonic SHI channel.
If I change the TF to 60 as in the bottom screen shot, I get an extremely wide channel.

Is this how it should be setup?
Yes, if I have not ben mistaken for all these many months, this is exactly how it should be set up. The H1 channel shows higher TF support/resistance, and that is where the big boys play. Now that you have it set to H1 TF, you will be surprised by how often price finds support +/- a few pips right at those trend lines.
  • #4,983
  • Aug 15, 2009 4:57am Aug 15, 2009 4:57am
Rastaman!

Quoting Rastaman
If I change the TF to 60 as in the bottom screen shot, I get an extremely wide channel.

Is this how it should be setup?
From Sonic, post #31:

Quoting sonicdeejay
SonicR1 Template with SHI channel.... Auto trend line for t TF u prefer,,,,

SHI channel is set to H1 TF (purple) and D1 TF to giv u general trend bias...and u will know why the price is hard to reach 1.2903 lvl..


Sonic
  • #4,984
  • Edited 7:15am Aug 15, 2009 5:02am | Edited 7:15am
Quoting Rastaman
Quite interesting going naked and just using ceilings & Floors to watch PA.

Actually, this may be a good way to learn to see the waves for absolute newbies to this thread like myself.
Quoting sonicdeejay
You are starting to see 'thru' it..


Sonic
A giant leap forward you have made, Rastaman Your diligent study has led you from Sonic Novice to Sonic Nerd:nerd: - Next step: SuperSoniker!

Keep up the great work!
  • #4,985
  • Aug 15, 2009 5:25am Aug 15, 2009 5:25am
Thanks DD, and also thanks for the tips about the Big Boys jiving at the resistance levels.

Yes, somehow I think I was getting information overload from my charts, by removing them I found out having Less is actually having More.
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  • #4,986
  • Edited 10:12pm Aug 15, 2009 10:00pm | Edited 10:12pm
My task for today.
My wife is at driving school so, I Just printed out all the majors from Jan of this year and am going to paper trade them, covering the mystery with a piece of cardboard, entering trades and making memos as to why I entered, where I exit, results and indeed analyze the successful and failed trades. Looks like a lot of fun and gets me away from the computer and its distractions.


Hmmm, maybe a nice cold beer would go down well with this in the 37c heat we are having today.

Hope you guys have as much of a fun weekend as I am having.

The tools.
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  • #4,987
  • Aug 15, 2009 10:12pm Aug 15, 2009 10:12pm
Guys,

Would appreciate if can put-up comment on USD/CAD 15M on attached picture. Is it correct to say technically USD/CAD still on up trend but may go down e.g. up to 1.0935 or below before went up again?

The idea if no open position, shall put "buy limit" about 1.0935....
The fact is I am on minus 100 plus and intend to cut lost if up trend...

Cheers
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  • #4,988
  • Edited 10:54pm Aug 15, 2009 10:29pm | Edited 10:54pm
Better wait for sonic or others to reply to you in this dire situation.


I hope this is just a demo trade and not live, did you forget to place a SL or something when you went short?
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  • #4,989
  • Aug 15, 2009 11:13pm Aug 15, 2009 11:13pm
Quoting Rastaman
Better wait for sonic or others to reply to you in this dire situation.


I hope this is just a demo trade and not live, did you forget to place a SL or something when you went short?
Nope - it is my real account...
I open "sell limit" position using TF5Min -- sounds promising when I set and put hedging when trend against me.
I put T/P on my hedging right after R3 to project down trend after reach R3 but CAD was in down trend against all pairs to what I seen last Friday. So, the real minus is about 80 pips (-129 +49 from hedging).

I downloaded SonicR few days earlier but no chance to try it until Yesterday AFTER the market closed. That is the basic reason when asking --- I put sonicR & added of SonicR by Fratelli just last night - meaning not yet test in real until market open. Though advise from people that used this kind of indicato in real probably helps me out problem.

Thank's for sharing and advise, let me considered. Cheers...
  • #4,990
  • Aug 16, 2009 7:17am Aug 16, 2009 7:17am
Well, I am done with my paper trading which, was quite an interesting experience. I actually reprinted the charts without the indicators but with a 250 and 89 EMA and, I was amazed to see the waves even without the sonic tunnel. A very worthwhile and interesting afternoon.

After which I needed a break and decided to look for the weirdest indicator I could find.

I found this RSI which zig zags and has fibos in it.
Really weird, but seems good with a wave system.

Anyway, thought I would post it as I am sure someone will find it interesting.
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  • #4,991
  • Edited 8:59am Aug 16, 2009 7:19am | Edited 8:59am
Quoting jopie
Nope - it is my real account...
I open "sell limit" position using TF5Min -- sounds promising when I set and put hedging when trend against me.
I put T/P on my hedging right after R3 to project down trend after reach R3 but CAD was in down trend against all pairs to what I seen last Friday. So, the real minus is about 80 pips (-129 +49 from hedging).

I downloaded SonicR few days earlier but no chance to try it until Yesterday AFTER the market closed. That is the basic reason when asking --- I put sonicR & added of SonicR by Fratelli just last...
Hello My Friend,
I Remember I Traded Long Time Ago Just Like This. But The Results Was Not Good.
Anyway, IMO, You Should Never Add To Your Losing Position (If I Got You Right And You Did It !), This May Kill You Account In Long Term. I've Done It Many Times, Many Times I Even Got Out With Profit, But Atlast, This Attitude Burnt My Account.
About Your Analysis, I Don't Waste My Time Thinking "IF"s. I Will Wait For Price To Form What It Should Form, Then I Will Decide What To Do.

Trading Is a Business, It's Simple, But Not Easy And If You Want To Treat Is As a Business, You Should Leave "HOPE" At The Door. Like Many Says, Don't Trade What You Think, Trade What You See.

If You Wanna Wait To Go Long And You're Waiting For Long Position Or Short Position, Why Waste Your Energy Thinking What Will Happen ? Analyzing Long Term Is Very Useful And It's My Routine To Do That, But What I Saw In Your Post, Was Not Analyzing.

You're Right, We Are In General Downtrend, But Who Knows How Much It Will Make Correction Or When The Trend May Reverse ? If I Understood You Right, You Didn't Put a SL Or It's Very Wide. Trade Goes Against You Even -178 Pips, And You Just Lost Averaged On It. If You Are Trading Long Term And I Don't Think So, It Normal To Have Wide SLs, But If You Are Trading Intraday, It's Abvious To Me That Your Account Will Be Blown In No Time.

Truth May Be a Little Harsh, But Believe It Or Not, If You're Trading Live Before You Had a 3 Consecutive Profitable Months, You're Killing Many Things, Including Your Account, Your Career, Your Confidence And etc.

If You Are Trading Without Rules, You're Doing The Samething.

Money Management Is The Key To Success, Don't Lost Average And Overweight Your Trades. The More You Overweight, The More "HOPE" Comes Into Play When It Goes Against You. And Like I Said, If You Are "Hoping" Or "Praying", Just Go Back To Demo If You Don't Want To Loose Your Money On This.

Unfortunately, Discipline Is Typically Not Learned Until You've Wiped Out a Trading Account. Until You Have Wiped Out an Account, You Typically Think It Cannot Happen To You. It Is Precisely That Attitude That Makes You Hold Onto Your Losers And Rationalize Them All Way Into The Ground.

I'm Sorry If My Post Does Not Apply To You, But It Was What I Understand About Your Post And I Think It Was Neccesary To Say Such Things About It.

Trade Safe, And Do Some Demo (Like I Said, If You Weren't Trading a System That You Were Profitable For 3 Consecutive Months, Atleast !!)

Regards,
Basber
Trading methods are designed to put the odds in our favor, not predicting.
  • #4,992
  • Aug 16, 2009 7:29am Aug 16, 2009 7:29am
Quoting Rastaman
Well, I am done with my paper trading which, was quite an interesting experience. I actually reprinted the charts without the indicators but with a 250 and 89 EMA and, I was amazed to see the waves even without the sonic tunnel. A very worthwhile and interesting afternoon.

After which I needed a break and decided to look for the weirdest indicator I could find.

I found this RSI which zig zags and has fibos in it.
Really weird, but seems good with a wave system.

Anyway, thought I would post it as I am sure someone will find it interesting....
It's Quoted From a Note :

"Amateur traders turn into professional traders when they stop looking for the "next great

technical indicator" and start controlling their risk on each trade."


It's Not Bad To Learn About New Indicators, But I Believe All The Indicators Are Lagging Ones. I Just Use Them To Confirm My Trades, And I've Done Great With CCI And NVO. So Why Get Impressed With Any New One. Rastaman, The Thing That You Done On Paper Was Wonderful. But I'm Seeing That Your Addiction To Indicators May Distract You From The Main Road. Just Forget About All Other Indicators For Sometime.
I Suggest If You Want To Study And Put Some Time Learning, Put Time To Learn Psychological Stuff. It's Much More Important Than Indicators And Such Things. I Suggest You Concentrate On Sonic R System With Minimum Indicators (CCI & NVO Is Enough, I Use QQE Too) And Do Some Research On Psychological Stuff.
Just My 2 Cents

P.S. I Loved The Pic From Your Table, Specially The Beer !! Hmmmmmmmmmmmm


Regards,
Basber
Trading methods are designed to put the odds in our favor, not predicting.
  • #4,993
  • Aug 16, 2009 7:38am Aug 16, 2009 7:38am
Basber, Good Evening.

Yes, I agree and the very next task I set for myself is to study the psychology aspect of trading and good Money Management.

I don't intend to use this indicator in this system, I am just interested in how it works, that is all. Believe me, the last thing I want to do now, is go back to indicator madness. This is just a bit of fun after studying all day.

Thanks for your concern though, it is appreciated and good advise.
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  • #4,994
  • Aug 16, 2009 10:44am Aug 16, 2009 10:44am
Quoting Basber
It's Quoted From a Note :

"[font=Verdana][size=2]Amateur traders turn into professional traders when they stop looking for the "next great

technical indicator" and start controlling their risk on each trade."


[left][size=2][font=Verdana]It's Not Bad To Learn About New Indicators, But I Believe All The Indicators Are Lagging Ones. I Just Use Them To Confirm My Trades, And I've Done Great With CCI And NVO. So Why Get Impressed With Any New One. Rastaman, The...
I agree with this 100%. I have been studying indicators and systems for over a year and everytime it leads me back to one thing, "PRICE ACTION'. I know there are indicators on this method but they show us what has happened and by that what to expect. It really hit home when DDT and everyone else showed us how the Big Boys worked. Once price action validates expectations pull the trigger and hope for the best. Do not tie yourself down with indicators.

Currently I am working on the hardest part of trading, "ME".
  • #4,995
  • Aug 16, 2009 12:28pm Aug 16, 2009 12:28pm
Quoting Basber
Hello My Friend,
I Remember I Traded Long Time Ago Just Like This. But The Results Was Not Good.
Anyway, IMO, You Should Never Add To Your Losing Position (If I Got You Right And You Did It !), This May Kill You Account In Long Term. I've Done It Many Times, Many Times I Even Got Out With Profit, But Atlast, This Attitude Burnt My Account.
About Your Analysis, I Don't Waste My Time Thinking "IF"s. I Will Wait For Price To Form What It Should Form, Then I Will Decide What To Do.

Trading Is a Business, It's Simple, But Not Easy And If You Want...
While to say thanks for comments and advise, I do only for pair with sideways as seen almost last week on USD/CAD --- I did not know yet this week but fundamentally bullish. The original question is to set cut-lost at minimum and open buy position.

Rest, would keep learning for sure since as newbie but I am not just only lost money but also make it some, if not how to keep in trade

The only problem is to make it discipline to make money and not make and lost it again...

On demo, too often can make money but may not in real account - my personal & psychological issue. I still learn to trade demo such in real and treat real trading such in demo to be honest, I still learn and not so easy for it...

Thanks again for good criticism as my journey to be a good trader...
  • #4,996
  • Aug 16, 2009 12:41pm Aug 16, 2009 12:41pm
Quoting Rastaman
Well, I am done with my paper trading which, was quite an interesting experience. I actually reprinted the charts without the indicators but with a 250 and 89 EMA and, I was amazed to see the waves even without the sonic tunnel. A very worthwhile and interesting afternoon.

After which I needed a break and decided to look for the weirdest indicator I could find.

I found this RSI which zig zags and has fibos in it.
Really weird, but seems good with a wave system.

Anyway, thought I would post it as I am sure someone will find it interesting.
Rastaman,

Just try to understand your chart further (sorry I am not the expert), what the chart will tell? an uptrend? I am interest but did not understand your chart well :nerd:

Though in SonicR chart showing downtrend for this week (August 17-21, 2009) on GBP/USD similar to the analyst that I read inside online articles....

Cheers
  • #4,997
  • Aug 16, 2009 2:34pm Aug 16, 2009 2:34pm
Rastaman!

Quoting Rastaman
Well, I am done with my paper trading which, was quite an interesting experience. I actually reprinted the charts without the indicators but with a 250 and 89 EMA and, I was amazed to see the waves even without the sonic tunnel. A very worthwhile and interesting afternoon.


Quoting Rastaman
After which I needed a break and decided to look for the weirdest indicator I could find.
  • #4,998
  • Aug 16, 2009 5:32pm Aug 16, 2009 5:32pm
Quoting Rastaman
Sorry, I am still a little confused about the SHI setting.

I should be setting the time frame to 60 right, as in the top screen shot?
Not leaving it as 0 as in the bottom screen shot.
Right, set it to 60. As Sonic said in the post I quoted above, you want the channel drawn to be based on H1 TF, not a 15M channel
  • #4,999
  • Edited 6:18pm Aug 16, 2009 5:59pm | Edited 6:18pm
Quoting ddaytrader
Right, set it to 60. As Sonic said in the post I quoted above, you want the channel drawn to be based on H1 TF, not a 15M channel

Thanks DD.


DD. If you have time, would you be kind enough to show me a good example of the Big Boys artificially pumping price up or down with the NOV, so I can get a feel for it?

Got to go out to Tokyo to the Chinese embassy for a visa this morning will be back before London opens.




Thanks in advance and if you are too busy no problem.
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  • #5,000
  • Aug 16, 2009 7:36pm Aug 16, 2009 7:36pm
Quoting Rastaman
Thanks DD.


DD. If you have time, would you be kind enough to show me a good example of the Big Boys artificially pumping price up or down with the NOV, so I can get a feel for it?

Got to go out to Tokyo to the Chinese embassy for a visa this morning will be back before London opens.




Thanks in advance and if you are too busy no problem.
Hi Rastaman,

That request would be better addressed by Sonic, Basber, or TAH, as I myself do not use volume. If you look at the changes I've made to your SonicWhite template, you'll see that the only subpane is the SonicCCI.

Sorry I can't b more helpul with the volume indi.

Good Luck!
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