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  • #4,841
  • Aug 12, 2009 6:50am Aug 12, 2009 6:50am
Quoting Rastaman
Hhhmmm

Obviously, I am still not able to see the wave.
Now, I am even more confused and feel as if I may be wasting peoples time when they have better things to do.

Basber, are you saying you would enter at the A entry point and stay in the SHORT trade all the way without exiting the trade to reenter?

Rastaman,

I learnt the waves by placing the following indi on my 15 min chart initially.
Now that i can see them i no longer uses that indi . I know you want to keep you chart clean but this indi really helped me until i could identify the wave.

Hope this help
Lmarti21

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  • #4,842
  • Aug 12, 2009 7:01am Aug 12, 2009 7:01am
Quoting Muhammad989
any soonikers with me this trade ?
Muhammad,
Maybe i am missing something but i do not see a wave on this pair i see the 4hr pin bar and the swing high on the 15 min but no higher low to iniciate the Sonic entry.

I would wait until there is a higher low made. Please correct me if necessary.

Regards
Lmarti21
  • #4,843
  • Aug 12, 2009 7:03am Aug 12, 2009 7:03am
RASTAMAN!

Quoting Rastaman
A looks like it may be ok. Not so sure about B as the retracement into the tunnel is deeper than the initial DOWN wave,

C looks like it may not be valid either as their is only 1 BLUE retracement candle.
Quoting Rastaman
Obviously, I am still not able to see the wave.
... are you saying you would enter at the A entry point and stay in the SHORT trade all the way without exiting the trade to reenter?
A & C both look good to me. I don't see a SonicR at B, but not for the reason you state, i.e. to me there is simply no wave action supporting a SonicR entry at B.
  • #4,844
  • Aug 12, 2009 7:13am Aug 12, 2009 7:13am
Quoting lmarti21
Rastaman,

I learnt the waves by placing the following indi on my 15 min chart initially.
Now that i can see them i no longer uses that indi . I know you want to keep you chart clean but this indi really helped me until i could identify the wave.

Hope this help
Lmarti21

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Thanks for the indi.

I want to ask peoples opinion on using this to find the wave.
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  • #4,845
  • Aug 12, 2009 7:16am Aug 12, 2009 7:16am
yeah u right marti but some time i trade on 4hr TF which support me price above Dragon and fine H-L and L-H if u see the all threads of sonic u cant fine clear wave of hes pics but higher TF support ....like my today trade which 4hr candle Pin bar and price close above 34 ema .....Hope its help..its just my way of trading dont folow ......follow your mind ..

Muhammad




Quoting lmarti21
Muhammad,
Maybe i am missing something but i do not see a wave on this pair i see the 4hr pin bar and the swing high on the 15 min but no higher low to iniciate the Sonic entry.

I would wait until there is a higher low made. Please correct me if necessary.

Regards
Lmarti21
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  • #4,846
  • Aug 12, 2009 7:17am Aug 12, 2009 7:17am
Quoting ddaytrader
RASTAMAN!





A & C both look good to me. I don't see a SonicR at B, but not for the reason you state, i.e. to me there is simply no wave action supporting a SonicR entry at B.
Phew, just in the nick of time, I was about to throw my laptop out of the window.

Ok, DD, I will go back and look at that non wave and try to work it out.

Thanks.
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  • #4,847
  • Aug 12, 2009 7:18am Aug 12, 2009 7:18am
Quoting gusismith
Basber,
Please i want to the what exactly is the entry strategy of sonicr. What i understood from the manual i read is that a long position is established when a candle closes above the upper band of the tunnel and vice versa for short position. Of course the QQe and stoch must be at a particular level. Also what is the rentry strategy? I also want to know if the S and R levels on my chart(sonicr template) is what you always refer to whenever you mention S and R.
Thanks
I Think It's Obvious To See The Enrtries. Try One Thing First, Like DD Said, Try To STUDY The Setups In Manual And Thread, Not Just Read Them. The Reason I Ask You This Is Not Because It's Hard For Me To Describe It For You, It's Because It's Really Important That YOU YOURSELF Find Some Things Out YOURSELF. It Will Make You Digest The System Much More Better. Do That And Many Seniors Are Here To Help You. But Believe Me, It's The Best Support At This Time That I Can Give You. Don't Just Read The Thread. If You Want To Be Successful, Put Some Time.

Let Me Share My Experience, Believe It Or Not, First I Was Very Much Confused About The Entry Point, TP and Things Like This, But After Some Hard Work, I Figured It Out Myself. That's The Reason I Can Manage My Trades This Way. I Have Very High Win Rate And a Good R:R Ratio. I'm Working On Other Aspects Of My Trading , So I Can Try To Work With Huge Accounts. There Is Always Things To Learn, But I Know What You're Feeling. Do Some Hard Work, Put Some Time On This, And I'm Sure You'll Be Rewarded.

Quoting gusismith
Dear Sonic,
Remeber you guys advised me to do more demo. Please i want to understand this wave analysis clearly. If you look at the GU 15M, you'll see that there was a wave that from my little knowledge should be an entry for short but the whole thing is shooting across the tunnel upward. What is the filter for this kind of trade. and please i also want to learn how to attach my charts so that my descriptions will be clearer.

Thank you
For Attaching The Files, Follow This :

Step 1 - Taking The Picture :

Pic 1) In Your MetaTrader Chart, Choose "File" Then Click On "Save As Picture".

Pic 2) Choose "Active Chart (as is)"

Pic 3) Select The Name And The Path That You Wish To Save The File.

Step 2 - Uploading The File :

Pic 4) After Clicking "Post Reply" For New Post Or "Quote" For Replying To Someones Post, Click On The "Attachments"

Pic 5) Then On The New Windows That Popped Up, Choose "Browse"

Pic 6) Select The File That You've Saved In Previous Step And Click "Open"

Pic 7) Now Click Upload And Wait So That The File Could Be Uploaded To The Site. The Close The Attachment Window And Send Your Post

Regards,
Basber
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  • #4,848
  • Aug 12, 2009 7:23am Aug 12, 2009 7:23am
Quoting Muhammad989
here is my 2nd trad of the week e/j buy
Quoting Basber
I Don't See Any Wave. And I'm Standing Aside. If It Made a Correction, And Wave Forms, Then I Will Enter. Not Now.
Hi Muhammad,

I was not up when your trade triggered. I often take that type of trade, but I trade it as a 20-40 pip one TP only, as I do not consider to be a classic SonicR. You bought a break out to a new high from a little mini flag, but, as Basber states, there is no real wave formation to make it a classic SonicR.

That being said, it was a good trade and I'd have taken it too had I been trading. But I would have been out already at about +40.

I see EJ is now setting up a SonicR, but I am not going to trade it. Why? I do not like making entry this far above Sonic Dragon. Also, we are in thick resistance right here (yesterday's consolidation, just below daily floor pivot, right at H1 channel), and I would rather we be farther below that resistance, or already above it. If I were to take the trade, it would be:

EP @ 135.90
SL @ 135.39 (-59)
TP1 @ 136.50 (+60)
No TP2

It is just not a good R/R profile to me. My guess - it hits the EP and reverses right to the SL.

But your trade was a nice one, but not, in my opinion, a classic SonicR.

Good Luck!
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  • #4,849
  • Aug 12, 2009 7:30am Aug 12, 2009 7:30am
Quoting Rastaman
USD/CHF right now.

LH & LL on M15 represents a DOWN candle on H4.

Sonic is asking me, "What DOESN'T it represent" what else could it NOT represent other than an UP candle?

I am now going to do the mental Whatoozie!
Look At The Head&Shoulder ... Hmmmmm, I'm In ...

Regards,
Basber
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  • #4,850
  • Aug 12, 2009 7:38am Aug 12, 2009 7:38am
Quoting Rastaman
Hhhmmm

Obviously, I am still not able to see the wave.
Now, I am even more confused and feel as if I may be wasting peoples time when they have better things to do.

Basber, are you saying you would enter at the A entry point and stay in the SHORT trade all the way without exiting the trade to reenter?
Why Get Confused ? Here Is My Entry, You Should Now See What I've Seen.
Don't Give Up ! Here Is When 95% Will Fail ! I'm Seeing a Very Big Progress In You. Just Don't Give Up !

Regards,
Basber
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  • #4,851
  • Aug 12, 2009 7:41am Aug 12, 2009 7:41am
Watching AJ for a short:

EP @ 78.60
SL @ 79.10 (-50)
TP1@ 78.06 (+54)
TP2@ 77.50 (+110)
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  • #4,852
  • Aug 12, 2009 7:43am Aug 12, 2009 7:43am
Quoting ddaytrader
Watching AJ for a short:

EP @ 78.60
SL @ 79.10 (-50)
TP1@ 78.06 (+54)
TP2@ 77.50 (+110)
Here is the chart with the TP's
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  • #4,853
  • Aug 12, 2009 7:44am Aug 12, 2009 7:44am
Quoting Rastaman
Thanks for the indi.

I want to ask peoples opinion on using this to find the wave.
"Rman "

Sonic was the one who introduced me to the fractal indi on his chart

Lmarti21
  • #4,854
  • Aug 12, 2009 7:45am Aug 12, 2009 7:45am
Quoting Rastaman
Ok Basber. Hit me with it!
Sonic asked.
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Look at M15 TF chart…when we have Lower High and Lower Low… what doesn’t it represent in H4 TF??”
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What else can it NOT represent on H4 other than an up candle?

This wasn't by any chance a typo and Sonic is really asking what a LH & LL on M15 represents on H4, was it?
I Suggest You Forget About The Higher TF Now. Just Focus On M15 TF. Just Focus On Waves.
I'm Seeing Something In You That May Be Wrong, But It Helps If You Be Aware Of It If It's Right. "I Think When You Are Learning Some New Materials, Like Some New Things About Waves, You Are Questioning The Previous Thing That You'd Learned. " If I Feel It Right, You Should Combine All The Things That You Are Learning.

Regards,
Basber
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  • #4,855
  • Aug 12, 2009 7:47am Aug 12, 2009 7:47am
DD

So, this is the sort of wave we are looking for?

Price breaks the high of the tunnel, retraces back to the tunnel like compression, then takes off, unless we are to close to a major pivot or volume is not in the trade?
Are there any rules about the retracement such as how far into the tunnel it retraces that need to be considered when taking such a LONG?

Could this be the start of a mini R H&S if it fails to breakout?
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  • #4,856
  • Aug 12, 2009 7:48am Aug 12, 2009 7:48am
Quoting Muhammad989
yeah u right marti but some time i trade on 4hr TF which support me price above Dragon and fine H-L and L-H if u see the all threads of sonic u cant fine clear wave of hes pics but higher TF support ....like my today trade which 4hr candle Pin bar and price close above 34 ema .....Hope its help..its just my way of trading dont folow ......follow your mind ..

Muhammad
OK I understand

Lmarti21
  • #4,857
  • Aug 12, 2009 7:49am Aug 12, 2009 7:49am
RASTAMAN!

Quoting Basber
Don't Give Up ! Here Is When 95% Will Fail ! I'm Seeing a Very Big Progress In You. Just Don't Give Up !
I agree with Basber ... you are progressing along the same road most of us have. You've no doubt heard it before (I have heard it so much it is cliche') that "If this was easy, everyone would be doing it."

You are a hard worker. You have the enthusiasm. Keep it going.

Here is a picture a friend of mine sent me years ago. He has this hanging in his office:
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  • #4,858
  • Aug 12, 2009 7:52am Aug 12, 2009 7:52am
Quoting Rastaman
Thanks for the indi.

I want to ask peoples opinion on using this to find the wave.
It May Help You Seeing The Waves, But I'm Sure After Get Comfortable Catching The Wave, I'm Sure You Will Put It Aside, Because You Can't Recognize All The Wave Formations With It. But Like I Said, I'm Sure It Will Help You Get Started.

Regards,
Basber
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  • #4,859
  • Aug 12, 2009 7:52am Aug 12, 2009 7:52am
Quoting Basber
I Suggest You Forget About The Higher TF Now. Just Focus On M15 TF. Just Focus On Waves.
I'm Seeing Something In You That May Be Wrong, But It Helps If You Be Aware Of It If It's Right. "I Think When You Are Learning Some New Materials, Like Some New Things About Waves, You Are Questioning The Previous Thing That You'd Learned. " If I Feel It Right, You Should Combine All The Things That You Are Learning.

Regards,
Basber
You are right basber, my mind is now questioning everything I thought I knew and everything I know I don't know. it is doing the Whatoozie all day long.
Starting to see instead of just looking.
  • #4,860
  • Aug 12, 2009 8:11am Aug 12, 2009 8:11am
So, this kind of wave would also do us just as well?

perhaps, when Basber said, "I don't care about the left part of the wave" he meant, we just want the V part with an extension for a short, or an inverted V with an extension up for LONG?


Thanks to all those with encouragement, I will stay the course, I am just blowing off Whatoozie steam.
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