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  • #111,061
  • Jun 16, 2009 11:46am Jun 16, 2009 11:46am
i dont have a good one.. but if someone has a commodity chart .. throw a copper one up their.. its controlled more by reality.. and not manipulated like oil.. day week .. its pure supply and demand... china is buying less.. same thing happend last summer... it the leash controlling eu dog.. copper is on the puse of economy
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #111,062
  • Jun 16, 2009 11:49am Jun 16, 2009 11:49am
Quoting calderone

I have doubled my demo accounts three months straight but I am learning a hard lesson with my live one. I am going back to the demo to test my ability on longer time frames.

Be careful! Good pippin!
The advice you're receiving is really good. If you've doubled your account trading demo 3 months in succession, why would you want to test your ability on longer TF. Are you actually sticking to your system you use on the demo. You will always have losers no matter how hard you try. Unless of course you're doing exactly as in the demo and losing consistently. Most traders go round in circles trying to improve when what they have is already good enough. I suspect it's not your system, but the way you are adapting when trading live. Having said that you never stop learning.
  • #111,063
  • Jun 16, 2009 11:51am Jun 16, 2009 11:51am
finally ! Thought I was going to take a major hit on my trade.... still holding for 3788, short since 3875 with trailing stop. She's starting to trend down on the 15m

~Ody
~Ody
  • #111,064
  • Jun 16, 2009 11:54am Jun 16, 2009 11:54am
Reading through these posts throughout the day and a few are very good but most are awful. Terrible calls on direction etc...wave after wave of suckers calling it wrong...
probably losing all there money to the spreadbetting firms.
rat
  • #111,065
  • Jun 16, 2009 11:56am Jun 16, 2009 11:56am
sheez... trying to sleep here and the bears keep yanking my alarms.. you gotta let this thing breath... look where its trying to cross..it takes time.. decrease position and widden sl.. cut out the what the puck moments..
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #111,066
  • Edited 12:00pm Jun 16, 2009 11:57am | Edited 12:00pm
Quoting Atlast
The advice you're receiving is really good. If you've doubled your account trading demo 3 months in succession, why would you want to test your ability on longer TF. Are you actually sticking to your system you use on the demo. You will always have losers no matter how hard you try. Unless of course you're doing exactly as in the demo and losing consistently. Most traders go round in circles trying to improve when what they have is already good enough. I suspect it's not your system, but the way you are adapting when trading live. Having said that...
I think it's the psychological effect of real money. My golf balls turned into grapes. lol I didn't have that many losers on my demo, I would just increase my lots and throw mm out the window to make it back.

Oh, to answer your question. I am mentally unable to trade that way-I need to calm down.

It's quite different in real life.

I also don't want to have a heart attack!
  • #111,067
  • Jun 16, 2009 11:58am Jun 16, 2009 11:58am
Quoting gatorinla
i dont have a good one.. but if someone has a commodity chart .. throw a copper one up their.. its controlled more by reality.. and not manipulated like oil.. day week .. its pure supply and demand... china is buying less.. same thing happend last summer... it the leash controlling eu dog.. copper is on the puse of economy
Gator, I find your commentaries really interesting. How do you actually trade considering the copper charts, or is that too obvious. Do you trade copper. Nice recent trend.
  • #111,068
  • Jun 16, 2009 11:59am Jun 16, 2009 11:59am
Quoting Atlast
Just passing some time. More for the new traders, don't have them on my chart as you know. Intention was to show how to take into account PA (HH/HL,etc) and take into account market momentum before committing to a trade for low risk.
I am waiting for the daily pivot again to position for long. How about yourself?

I'm just playing it hour by hour. I'm making a lot of pips. I'm surprised the market hasn't gone back down to the neckline to attract more short action before breaking upwards.
  • #111,069
  • Jun 16, 2009 11:59am Jun 16, 2009 11:59am
Not sure why people would take long positions. I am pretty sure a lot of them got trapped or got stopped out. This is why scalping is so risky
  • #111,070
  • Jun 16, 2009 12:06pm Jun 16, 2009 12:06pm
Quoting notch
I'm just playing it hour by hour. I'm making a lot of pips. I'm surprised the market hasn't gone back down to the neckline to attract more short action before breaking upwards.
Looks as if it's going to do just that. Could be another late one.
  • #111,071
  • Jun 16, 2009 12:06pm Jun 16, 2009 12:06pm
PA is right in my pivot area.
  • #111,072
  • Jun 16, 2009 12:09pm Jun 16, 2009 12:09pm
Bet it will hit 1.3830.
  • #111,073
  • Jun 16, 2009 12:09pm Jun 16, 2009 12:09pm
Quoting rattyo
Reading through these posts throughout the day and a few are very good but most are awful. Terrible calls on direction etc...wave after wave of suckers calling it wrong...
probably losing all there money to the spreadbetting firms.
Hi rattyo...look at my signature.
  • #111,074
  • Jun 16, 2009 12:09pm Jun 16, 2009 12:09pm
Quoting calderone
Good point. Let me share a story. I was trading in lower time frames during Asian session on GBP. I took a short at the wrong time but thought I'd see price retrace to my area so I could at least break even. There was some increase in volume and it reall picked up the other way. My sl got hit and it took me out. I investigated it like a crime scene to determine all my mistakes-there were a FEW. Including the template I was using, anyway-my point is I am now looking at higher timeframes-1hr to 4hr so that I can plan properly and not take hasty trades....


its good 2 have a strategy.

That happens to me last month
  • #111,075
  • Jun 16, 2009 12:12pm Jun 16, 2009 12:12pm
Quoting notch
I'm just playing it hour by hour. I'm making a lot of pips. I'm surprised the market hasn't gone back down to the neckline to attract more short action before breaking upwards.
exactly...nothings constant, as of late
  • #111,076
  • Jun 16, 2009 12:13pm Jun 16, 2009 12:13pm
Quoting vinesh2
Ali, its possible but I think big players want to sell it higher. So they might break some resistance levels to change traders mindset
my friend vinesh2 is really a gentleman and in my honest opinion people must take his view seriously
  • #111,077
  • Jun 16, 2009 12:13pm Jun 16, 2009 12:13pm
Quoting vinesh2
Not sure why people would take long positions. I am pretty sure a lot of them got trapped or got stopped out. This is why scalping is so risky

Look at the 50 SMA on the daily. That's one reason...
  • #111,078
  • Jun 16, 2009 12:14pm Jun 16, 2009 12:14pm
Quoting gatorinla
i dont have a good one.. but if someone has a commodity chart .. throw a copper one up their.. its controlled more by reality.. and not manipulated like oil.. day week .. its pure supply and demand... china is buying less.. same thing happend last summer... it the leash controlling eu dog.. copper is on the puse of economy
Hi gator,

re: copper, I need to start thinkin about that. Where is large quantity copper used? In new electric transmission lines, right? You know when metals (inc. Cu) prices are down around here when the crankheads stop killin themselves pullin the high voltage lines down in the night...

But more and more electric lines are being made with alternate materials - aluminum-carbon composites, etc - so could it be that copper demand is depressed for that reason....?

(Check my penny stock CPTC, its a dog but their composite cable branch will probably makes some money for me someday...)
"If The Fool persists in his Folly he will become wise." - William Blake
  • #111,079
  • Jun 16, 2009 12:14pm Jun 16, 2009 12:14pm
Quoting vinesh2
Not sure why people would take long positions. I am pretty sure a lot of them got trapped or got stopped out. This is why scalping is so risky

Well I made a tidy pile of pips on the long side from 1.3770 'ish.. about 85 pips ( I don't keep count anymore ) . It takes you about 14 days on average to pull that number.
  • #111,080
  • Jun 16, 2009 12:15pm Jun 16, 2009 12:15pm
Quoting gatorinla
i dont have a good one.. but if someone has a commodity chart .. throw a copper one up their.. its controlled more by reality.. and not manipulated like oil.. day week .. its pure supply and demand... china is buying less.. same thing happend last summer... it the leash controlling eu dog.. copper is on the puse of economy
there are 2 Cooper charts , daily and 30 min of June contract,

but i don't share your opinion about the manipulation thing, copper is thinner traded as oil, therefore ....
sure the oil price doesn't reflect the current economic situation, at least i think so, it doesn't mean it is so.
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