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  • #104,781
  • Jun 2, 2009 4:39pm Jun 2, 2009 4:39pm
Quoting Patience
Chill out. Each to their own opinion. Are you on a trading desk/floor then? Did this news tidbit annoy you because you are short?

One thing the market has taught me is never say never.
It is just that you mention "one trader....." followed by what some would consider an insane proposition. Just WHO is this trader, that his/her thoughts should be given any air time, or considered credible?
  • #104,782
  • Jun 2, 2009 4:48pm Jun 2, 2009 4:48pm
Quoting essenza
oh i'm waiting for that, it just not yet, no big deep down retracement. It seems the rally wants to kill some big players

http://trading-u.com/blog/index.php/archives/359
The article at your link is fantastic. And it proves the FX market is manipulated, and to no small degree either! Firms capable of moving the market will do so, for a variety of motives probably none of which are kind, creating extensive price movements that have nothing to do with the relative value of the currencies in the pair!
  • #104,783
  • Edited 5:06pm Jun 2, 2009 4:50pm | Edited 5:06pm
Quoting essenza
i don't think ECB will cut it but NFP must be coming out bad because of GM either way it will be very interesting
yep... could be.. i just hope its not flat.. where i live its better then most of the country job wise.. but we are now just starting to feel it.. la/tx area. i dont know what the anticipated number is.. but i dont see employment going up yet... sure all the used car salemen have everone in bliss buying stocks.. but all those companies have to sell something with unemployed buyers it could be tough.. and even tougher for exporters to the u.s. to add to this fuel is going up.. so more u.s consumers spending more on fuel... oil going up will kill a fragile economy...all companies buy fuel since everything is shipped using fuel..company spends more for fuel are less likely to employ new workers..its not in the budget..
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #104,784
  • Edited 4:51pm Jun 2, 2009 4:50pm | Edited 4:51pm
Quoting traderathome
"...truth in old saying that it is never too late to buy or sell....." -

How does that jive with "Never chase a trade."?
Traderathome, Yes I agree with you never chase a trade wait for the next train. Those sayings are double edge swords. They can make you or break you. That is why I want to test truth in this one this time.
The Thief of Wall Street
  • #104,785
  • Jun 2, 2009 4:54pm Jun 2, 2009 4:54pm
Quoting traderathome
The article at your link is fantastic. And it proves the FX market is manipulated, and to no small degree either! Firms capable of moving the market will do so, for a variety of motives probably none of which are kind, creating extensive price movements that have nothing to do with the relative value of the currencies in the pair!

yup i believe there is, the pair movement is unexpainable so because forex is said to be zero sum game than because of this rally and because of such big money there must be one or several big players that must go into the pit. One of them i believe is UBS

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...refer=currency
  • #104,786
  • Edited 5:07pm Jun 2, 2009 4:59pm | Edited 5:07pm
Quoting traderathome
It is just that you mention "one trader....." followed by what some would consider an insane proposition. Just WHO is this trader, that his/her thoughts should be given any air time, or considered credible?
I didn't mention anything. Market News reported "Yet another trader" and "an observation heard elsewhere" which I interpret as "more than one trader".

You know, I'd rather read stuff like this than the stuff you were spewing the other night on this thread that was unsurprisingly extracted and I didn't even hit the clean up button.

Anything is possible and just because you have 10+ V's doesn't make you any more correct in your interpretation of the market than Joe Blog on the trading desk.

A newbie might look at your post and think hey he's got 10+ V's, he must be good at trading, he's going short, so will I. The news tidbit was just saying that there is a possibility that the market could go higher. That's all.

And I'm flat so I don't really give a toss where the market goes.
Nothing worth having is easy.
  • #104,787
  • Jun 2, 2009 5:02pm Jun 2, 2009 5:02pm
Quoting essenza
yup i believe there is, the pair movement is unexpainable so because forex is said to be zero sum game than because of this rally and because of such big money there must be one or several big players that must go into the pit. One of them i believe is UBS

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...refer=currency
The article at this link suggests UBS is bullish on the dollar....and would that mean they might have substantial short positions on the EU? If so, and they have suffered this "euro rally", today's highs and waning volume may give them the opportunity to add hard to their shorts now, turning momentum to their favor........? UBS would not be alone, contrary to all other big firms and banks. So, they may all muster a concerted effort here to swing the tide. Food for thought.
  • #104,788
  • Jun 2, 2009 5:06pm Jun 2, 2009 5:06pm
Quoting traderathome
The article at your link is fantastic. And it proves the FX market is manipulated, and to no small degree either! Firms capable of moving the market will do so, for a variety of motives probably none of which are kind, creating extensive price movements that have nothing to do with the relative value of the currencies in the pair!
From a trading book of mine:

"When George Soros was short the British pound and was told the British government had allocated the equivalent of 20 billion U.S. dollars to stabilize the currency, he shrugged and said, "That will help them for 30 minutes. Then what are they going to do?" He made over a billion dollars on that trade."

So much for manipulation - the biggest can only get away with for so long before the market discovers the weakness and pushes it the other way.
  • #104,789
  • Jun 2, 2009 5:08pm Jun 2, 2009 5:08pm
Quoting Patience
I didn't mention anything. Market News reported "Yet another trader" and "an observation heard elsewhere" which I interpret as "more than one trader".

You know, I'd rather read stuff like this than the stuff you were spewing the other night on this thread that was unsurprisingly extracted and I didn't even hit the clean up button.

Anything is possible and just because you have 10+ V's doesn't make you any more correct in your interpretation of the market than Joe Blog on the trading desk.

A newbie might look at your post and think hey...
Terms like "Yet another trader" and "an observation heard elsewhere", could refer to a "nobody" and his/her friends, paid (or not) to make such statements, just so there would be that nonsense to print and, thusly, pass on possible garbage as something that did not stink. For me, it is all too vague. If anyone credible was behind such observations, I am sure the writer would have made mention.
  • #104,790
  • Jun 2, 2009 5:12pm Jun 2, 2009 5:12pm
Quoting traderathome
The article at this link suggests UBS is bullish on the dollar....and would that mean they might have substantial short positions on the EU? If so, and they have suffered this "euro rally", today's highs and waning volume may give them the opportunity to add hard to their shorts now, turning momentum to their favor........? UBS would not be alone, contrary to all other big firms and banks. So, they may all muster a concerted effort here to swing the tide. Food for thought.
well with red 1 billion $ and waiting for 3 months without sureness that it will come back........just press close button already
  • #104,791
  • Jun 2, 2009 5:17pm Jun 2, 2009 5:17pm
Did any one consider looking at the longer time frame? I would short maybe there if the trend line will not be broken,cheers
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  • #104,792
  • Jun 2, 2009 5:19pm Jun 2, 2009 5:19pm
Quoting gatorinla
just a thought but dont think this top will hold forever.. but it is pretty..4369 area still should be ripe for a short.. at least in mfuo i think were top heavy.. should at the least get a bounce ..
why yes we thought of that.. im sure we all did.. we just dont post everything..post 104763
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #104,793
  • Jun 2, 2009 5:22pm Jun 2, 2009 5:22pm
Quoting ak4x
I read that Boomberg article and agreed with almost everything in it mostly cuz a bunch of us here across several threads have been saying the same thing for awhile now (but with fewer Big Words). Where do you think they got it?

Look at the date on that article and then look at the dates on some of our posts... Who Came First? The idiot retail trader schmucks (we know who we are) or the Bloomberg Hunks and Hotties with the syndicated distibution networks? (Gator... don't say nothin or you'll get us both Binned)

I love it when they agree with...
"...(Gator... don't say nothin or you'll get us both Binned)...."

Of late, there is a lot of preoccupation with getting "Binned". Notice that? As one already victimized, I pick up on that. Big Brother has a heavy hand of late, and imho not all that righteously swung, as I challanged and never got the courtesy of a reply. Oh well, back to trading before #2 happens......
  • #104,794
  • Jun 2, 2009 5:22pm Jun 2, 2009 5:22pm
Quoting gatorinla
why yes we thought of that.. im sure we all did.. we just dont post everything..post 104763
Sure you don't by the way this trend line about 1.4470-80 LOL
  • #104,795
  • Jun 2, 2009 5:22pm Jun 2, 2009 5:22pm
Quoting traderathome
Terms like "Yet another trader" and "an observation heard elsewhere", could refer to a "nobody" and his/her friends, paid (or not) to make such statements, just so there would be that nonsense to print and, thusly, pass on possible garbage as something that did not stink. For me, it is all too vague. If anyone credible was behind such observations, I am sure the writer would have made mention.
It was me! I did it! I told them that I'd been trained by a '10th Dan V' and they believed everything I said!
  • #104,796
  • Jun 2, 2009 5:23pm Jun 2, 2009 5:23pm
Quoting sofia101
Did any one consider looking at the longer time frame? I would short maybe there if the trend line will not be broken,cheers
Reads like you arrived late to the party.
  • #104,797
  • Jun 2, 2009 5:25pm Jun 2, 2009 5:25pm
Quoting notch
Reads like you arrived late to the party.
Better late, then never
  • #104,798
  • Jun 2, 2009 5:27pm Jun 2, 2009 5:27pm
Quoting traderathome
"...(Gator... don't say nothin or you'll get us both Binned)...."

Of late, there is a lot of preoccupation with getting "Binned". Notice that? As one already victimized, I pick up on that. Big Brother has a heavy hand of late, and imho not all that righteously swung, as I challanged and never got the courtesy of a reply. Oh well, back to trading before #2 happens......
I second that. There seems an element of randomness about it, where one favourite will get away with calling the USA 'Satan' or the next chap will use the 'F' word and nothing happens then all of a sudden somebody uses the S##T word and are binned for a couple of weeks. It's so weird.

I hope I don't get binned for writing the above.
  • #104,799
  • Jun 2, 2009 5:27pm Jun 2, 2009 5:27pm
Quoting sofia101
Sure you don't by the way this trend line about 1.4470-80 LOL
igot 4369 it has a better sound and rolls off the lips..4..........3.........69
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #104,800
  • Jun 2, 2009 5:27pm Jun 2, 2009 5:27pm
Quoting notch
It was me! I did it! I told them that I'd been trained by a '10th Dan V' and they believed everything I said!
Ok, notch. I am not looking to be Binned twice, so I am not going the rounds with you on this, as we did the other night.....just having fun, to be sure, but Big Brother, imho, sways to minority opinion unrighteously. So saying nothing is best.

Edit: Geez! Look what Gatorina just said! Ole' Twee must be having fits!!!!!!! Hell, that is worse than my post!!!!! Yeah, you are right....randomness.
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